That wouldn't really be true either. The code says they can't advertise, it doesn't say they can't donate to an organization that accepts advertising, but this is a personal decision based on their personal ethics, and when I read her reply that's what I got out of it.

OMG!!!! let's just all agree to agree with me! :p why the heck not! :rolleyes:

Okay, "my personal interpretation of the YTCA code of ethics prevents me from donating to a site that advertises yorkies." I'm basing this statement off what you said in an earlier post.

I'm happy to agree with yorkiepuppie, as long as everyone agrees with ME first!

Again, I will say that I don't read all the forums here. I very rarely look at the Breeding section, so maybe I'm missing a bunch of threads where people with no experience are encouraged to breed their yorkies. I do think that when you post to the web, it can feel like you're standing in front of a huge crowd, and they are either booing or applauding you. There's always a tendency to read your own words in the most favorable light (after all, you know exactly what you meant), and if things get heated, assume other the worst in other people. So I am surprised when other people say they feel that their views are always attacked, because from where I sit, responsible breeding is consistently supported.

Even in threads like these, I learn something, so I do appreciate people stating their honest opinions.

I'll be sure to not include you next time. Sorry, I got the impression from your posts that you had extensive breeding experience. I may have to become more perceptive with my reading.

I believe you can include Nancy because she's an informed pet owner and advocates ethical breeding practices and supports responsible/reputable breeders and has done her homework. I think informed pet owners can contribute in alot of ways when they know what they want in a pet. They can always help other pet owners towards what they should be looking for in a good quality pet in a yorkie. She doesn't give advice on breeding but I can't speak for her but she does know where to start looking for a good quality pet and what to look for, questions to ask perspective breeders ect.... I support Nancy and respect her very much!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I have to commend everyone in this thread with it being somewhat controversal it has stayed civil with no one being attacked. This just proves it can be done without mean comments. Differences of opinion but kept in an adult manner :)
Thanks everyone I do appreciate it being this way :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[QUOTE=Nancy1999;2649398]Just want to say how much I appreciate all you and other breeders like you, who have posted on Yorkietalk. I never would have found Joey or even bought a purebred if it hadn't been for all the advice I read on Yorkietalk. I read hundreds of threads before I ever posted, and found the breeding forum really useful in terms of learning about ethical breeding practices, and why it's important not just for the dog you are buying, but for the future of the breed. I've read some threads and I've wondered how some of you could remain. You in particular, have always struck me as someone who's always learning about the breed and never comes off as a know-it-all, but just tries to share your knowledge. I know it gets frustrating for you, and I just want to give you a big thank you. You have taught many people not only about breeding, but how to choose a good breeder, and I'm trying my best to share with others what I've learned from you, and others like you. You are one of my heros![/QUOTE]
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Well said.

There are assumptions being made about why the other thread was closed, so let me clear that up for you. It was closed not bc of what was being said about selling puppies or ethics. It was closed bc of the disrespectful comments toward YT in general, the comments about our "clueless" members, and how unhelpful the various forums are. That's why it was closed.

This forum is a place for learning, but it seems so many folks cannot tolerate those who are trying to learn. :rolleyes:

Prohibiting the advertising and selling of puppies on YT wouldn't do away with the advertising and selling of puppies. There are ways around it and we see it every day: Someone posts my lil girl is having puppies, then to get around the 10 week advertising rule pictures are posted in the nursery section.

As far as the Featured Breeders section, they pay a fee to be able to advertise their puppies without the puppy age limit. The requirements are not stringent to be a Featured Breeder.

I agree. I wondered about the donation stuff myself. If you feel a board is not worthy of your donation, why do you even bother to come here? Just think, if this board weren't here, you wouldn't be able to "educate and have people brag on how wonderful you are/;)"'
Also, I would like to point out that there are other reputable breeders on this board that don't show for one reason or another and that is their pergoative.

[QUOTE=Nancy1999;2649483]We have talked to admin about it and they have decided to stay with the advertising. YTCA members would never advertise here or elsewhere, it's forbidden, but you have to remember they are not in the puppy selling business. There really is a difference between selling a dog and placing a dog. I would like to see the "featured breeders" section done a way with too. I thought that that meant they came highly recomended and had passed certain tests and requirements.[/QUOTE]

nancy, when I became one of the first, if not the first, featured breeder on here, I had to provide access to my guarantee, list my years of experience and etc to admin BEFORE I paid my money. I am not a featured breeder now because I didn't plan on selling my babies on here anymore but did just that recently to a good friend. Also, like the others, I generally have a waiting list.

I need to add after reading all these pages, that my personal opinion of Donna is that she is one of the most non-conscending persons on here when she tried to help us. I know a couple that I kept on ignore for over a year due to the way they talk down to the rest of us.

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Show people are not beyond making mistakes, at the present i have a 23 mo old girl that is in question by akc seems a show breeder didn't get the
right sire listed. i am thankful that i believe in waiting until they are near 2yrs old before breeding, so i don't have the problem of having to prove anything. and i am responsible to know who the sire is to any that i raise.

Betty & Micah my love:aimeeyork

Actually advertising is not forbidden by YTCA, it states that it " shall be professional in appearance and location". It would be left up to the individual to judge if this is a professional (appropriate) location or not.
I too have found that this isn't always the kindest place for reputable breeders. Oft times people don't want to hear what we have to say, they simply want to do what they want to do. I rarely post anymore because it seems to bring only frustration but I do enjoy looking at the showing section.
Here's the link to YTCA as I was once told not to post anything without backing it up, Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

Thank you Dee for the compliment. I try not to be condsending at all, I just get frustrated and sometimes I admit it may show in my typing...my love and passion for this breed is just so intense.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

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Tami, You are right about us being able to advertise. What the code of ethics and conduct says we are not to use our affiliation with YTCA to promote the selling of puppies. However, because of our code of Ethics and Conduct most of us do not advertise at all, but that's by choice. But, then we do have the YTCA Breeder Referral page and believe me it's becoming more and more difficult to become a member and to be listed on the referral page. Not only our homes and breeding programs investigated, but various medical testing will become a requirement, where now it's just something you do as a reputable breeder.

Wow, Donna I did not know that you had started this thread until this morning and read it all.

Donna, Mary, Lorriane, and a few others are very knowledgeable and know the standard and have years of experience in our breed to help others as well as the breed. It does get very frustrating to them and myself.

I have learned that people are going to do what they want to do, whether it is right or wrong. We do not live in a world anymore like the past. I find it harder to trust people nowadays.

Yes, there are people who do want to better themself and try to learn. This is the reason why people like Donna, Mary, Lorraine have stayed and have tried to help their breed standard. But somedays - it is very difficult for them.

Yes, the Internet is easy and quick, but please remember that emails are very easy to mis-interpret and posts get mis-judged.

I know Donna is very sincere and does truly care about yorkies/breed, reason she has continued to post. I have thought to myself somedays - am I crazy to be typing these keys and hitting the submit reply button?? It will take Donna and others (even the ones that just read) to post and make a difference (for the better)!

T.

LOL Tina! I just had to say how I felt LOL...because sometimes I do feel we are stiffled because of our passion and because we are not hobby breeders but please this is not meant to be disrespectful to YT and their staff. I have found most of YT staff to be very nice.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Well said, I love to read your comments, we have all learned so much from you, TOPKNOT,BROOKLYNN, MARDELIN, I hope you will continue to post and teach your valuable information about Breeding, Genetic Testing, not only to better the Breed but to prevent discarded dogs. You work hand in hand with the Rescue Groups, MEAGANSMOM and all the others that try to educate and rehome these discarded dogs. Please keep teaching, you will always have people thinking they know more, but if you can reach just one person, you have done your job well. When you show please encourage the judges to allow a rescue show as well. Rescue People work hard and deserve to walk the ring. And these poor discarded dogs CAN educate observers. Remember, if you can reach on person, you have done your job...

No problem that was a real treat for me to see my name listed with the other names. I'm in awe of very few people, but I really am in awe of good breeders. I think it's such a complicated thing, it's a science as well as an art, and any mistakes can be heartbreaking. Those that come on Yorkietalk and help others become better breeders have a difficult task because as most of us have learned a sentence phased the wrong way can throw the whole thread apart, and people are just commenting on "how" something was said not what was said, and the true spirit of the message is lost. My love for Joey has extended to the whole breed, and I really wish every pet owner would take a more nurturing attitude to the breed as a whole, and not just their specific pets; I believe that we could all become good breeding advocates. When you feel protective of something you are willing to sacrifice your special interests in the cause of the good of the whole.

I have learned so much from the responsible breeders here. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the YTCA in general after becoming a member of YT. When I got my first yorkie Gracie, there was no YT yet. I started reading yorkie books and tried to be an informed pet buyer. Of course I read that the best way to find your best pet was through the YTCA. I had my list of breeders within driving distance and prepared to begin calling. I was so nervous having read about the rigorous interview process combined with the fact that I had a child in the 3rd grade. I was terrified none of these repected breeders would allow one of their puppies to go to me.

The first I called did talk to me for some time. She had a 3 pound 8 month old female that she thought would be perfect for me. I told her over and over that I had never had a small dog and that was much too small. She spent the whole conversation trying to convince me that this little girl was right for me. Well, I was shocked, it wasn't what I expected at all.

The next one did not have any puppies or upcoming litters but spent the conversation badmouthing the first breeder. "Is she still trying to dump that 3 pounder on someone?". "You don't want to deal with her, trust me".

The 3rd was expecting puppies and offered to put me on her list. Then proceeded to bad mouth the first breeder.

No interviews just bad mouthing and I could have gotten the 3 pound girl and a puppy from the 3rd breeder.

All three of these breeders were on the YTCA member list. I came away from that thinking the YTCA was pretty awful to be honest. It was only after joining YT that I gained respect for YTCA and saw the passion and knowledge that the YTCA members on this forum had. I suppose YT and YTCA are like the real world. There is good and bad but now my impression is that the YTCA is way more good than bad and if I were looking for a puppy I would go right to the YTCA list.

I guess the point of my novella is that I learned this from Yorkie Talk. It is perfectly okay for anyone to not want to donate for whatever reason. There are people here that I don't think I would be friends with irl but I'm not starting a thread to point it out. It's hurtful and pointless. I think any thread on any forum would be locked if it was demeaning to the forum. We aren't in a democracy, this is a privately owned forum. I would hate for people who need information to be too intimidated to post for fear of being viewed as clueless and not capable of owning a dog.

I totally understand the frustration breeders feel and I think we are all fortunate for the knowledge they share. To me that thread had nothing to do with that.

I understand that Featured breeds do have to pay a yearly fee, in addition to being a donating member and Yorkietalk says this about them:

So basically that just means that they have to have been a breeder for a year or have seen two litters being born. They have to offer a 1 year health guarantee, and the guarantee has to be seen in writing on their web sites, but that isn't near enough for me. Just think back about some of the new "breeders" who joined YorkieTalk a year ago, they are now eligible to become "featured breeders. I'm just saying that when I read the" requirements" to become a featured breeder, I was shocked. I had the impression, it meant something much more.

Well said....:thumbup: St. Francis of Assisi, 1181-1226 is my patrion Saint, I was born on his birthday. He is the Saint for all Animals. :)

Thanks for clearing that up; I was under the impression that they were not allowed to advertise in such places as newspapers, although certain magazines were allowed. I guess the professionalism of the place they advertise is up to their discretion.

As a YTCA member let me say not always, members are still monitored and we at anytime can be removed from the club for committing an infraction to the club's code of conduct and ethics. There are those that have websites, however, their websites are for sharing the breeders accomplishments in the ring. Do YTCA members advertise, some do, they just are not able to state their affiliation with YTCA to sell those puppies.

Donations are completely optional, members may choose to donate if they would like to. YorkieTalk is free and has always been free for all members to ask questions, get answers, search, post pictures, share videos, and browse. The Featured Breeder program was created because there are breeders on YorkieTalk who requested such a forum and we implemented a few additional rules for members to be a Featured Breeder.

We have always believed in educating the Yorkie public, which is why we have the Yorkie For Sale forums. There are always members (new and old) looking for Yorkies and the For Sale forums serve that public good. There have been many, many Yorkies which have found wonderful homes because of these forums. Besides a few breeders who may not agree with the Yorkie For Sale forums, the overwhelming majority of YorkieTalk members like and appreciate these forums and we will continue to have them here. If you do not like the For Sale forums or the Breeding forum, you may choose to simply ignore posts in those forums.

We are a bit disappointed in the lack of respect that some members have shown towards YorkieTalk in the past few days. No one is forcing anyone to be on here, if you truly do not like this community, you are welcome to not participate and not browse our community. We don't understand why people would continue to visit YT if they do not enjoy it. You are welcome to write your own books on Yorkies, start your own blog, or do things that do not involve YorkieTalk.

Members are free to discuss Yorkie issues and breeding issues. The moderators and administrators of YorkieTalk allow almost all discussion, even controversial ones, unless they involve personal attacks. We respect all of our members and YorkieTalk in no way "stifles" reputable breeders. Members are allowed to disagree with breeders, as there are many breeding issues which are still controversial and ones which there may not be only one answer or one method of breeding. Breeders may also be wrong about what they post. Just because members may not disagree with a breeder, does not mean they are being censored or suppressed.

This thread has now been closed.