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Pruett 05-17-2009 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2625643)
Good Morning Gayle..

I have bred 1 litter of splitters and that was over 1.5 years ago. May I ask how many litters of splitters you have bred?

Facts, like numbers can be twisted to be used to make whatever point someone is trying to make. Facts come from an unbiased source. I'll wait until there really are reliable facts, then we have something to talk about.

-Diana :animal-pa
Good Morning Diana, It is truly a beautiful morning here.

I bred about 6 litters, none of which are in a breeding program, to prove a point. My point was proven, and then we incorporated the help of Mars Veterinary to further substantiate the facts.

Your opinion, and you are entitled to it, is not of the majority. You can do what you want, I don't really care. What I care about is the falsifying of facts from a small group of people that act like they all have a degree in genetics and have been breeding for the last 20 years.

Facts, like numbers can be twisted to be used to make whatever point someone is trying to make. Facts come from an unbiased source.
This statement makes no sense at all. FACTS can be twisted or FACTS come from an unbiased source????????:rolleyes:

What you are getting at? Are you saying that the Mars Veterinary are a bunch of quacks and don't know what they are doing?

GreenwoodBiewer 05-17-2009 05:19 AM
My point has been made.. no sense in futher discussion.

Have a great rest of the day. :)

-Diana :animal-pa

delicatepuzzle 05-17-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by julietimothy (Post 2620474)
Let me get this right she is breeding females under 2lbs??? Is this right??
there is another lady here in florida who sells/breeds TEENIE TINY babys. I mean the moms are 3lbs min. And she has never had any problems. But I just can't imagine having a one or two pound adult romping around. I have a 1.75lb baby now and I hope he gains weight but he seems to have stopped gaining. Hrmph!!! How scary to get a tiny baby that fits in your palm at 4 months. Not trying to bash her. I mean she's been inspected by AKC people/inspectors and all was GREAT. Although they are just sooooooo cute!!!

phfgkl 05-17-2009 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2625738)
What is your point? If I don't understand what you are getting at, and I'm sure a multitude of others don't either.

There is no need for further discussion, because you never answer any questions ask of you. I'm just trying to understand where you guys are coming from. You have stated that you are breeding Yorkies that are tri colored. How can the Biewer be a breed of it's own AND a Yorkie that is tri colored.

Thank you.:)
Maybe Diane is breeding partis.:confused:

EnchantedToi 05-17-2009 05:50 PM
* Sigh*
:rolleyes:

The fact that Donna Hall was involved in her Miki's before visiting Germany and making arrangments for her first Biewer DOES NOT discredit the FACT that Donna Hall with the help of a German friend started the First Biewer Club in AMERICA. The standard was that of the same that the IBC had been following ,with the exception of an inclusion of black. Which the IBC has also listed in the standard.
You have known full well that the standard that we have followed in America while showing in NAKC and IABCA was submitted by Donna Hall....This is not new.....LOL:D

Thats the American history.........Like it or not. :animal36
But you already knew that.

Hard to understand? I'll break it down for you, one last time.

Donna imported the first Biewers 2003, Started the First Biewer Club 2003, Showed the First Biewers in NAKC and the IABCA after submitting the STANDARD 2003.

To the orginal poster I apologize , my name was used in this thread and I thought I should respond.








[quote=Pruett;2625632]
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2625134)

I don't know why you even call your dogs Biewers. You mix Yorkies and Biewers together which is no more than a designer dog. It's understandable to do things in ignorance, but to do them when the facts are on the table is another thing.

I have read many web-sites that say they are following the Biewer's dream and standard. Not one of these people have talked to Mrs. Biewer, so how can they know the dream? They have a Mi Ki breeders standard displayed, which Jan/enchantedtoi finally admitted to, so how are they following their standard.

No it was not a slip Diana.;)

Pruett 05-17-2009 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2626471)
* Sigh*
:rolleyes:

The fact that Donna Hall was involved in her Miki's before visiting Germany and making arrangments for her first Biewer DOES NOT discredit the FACT that Donna Hall with the help of a German friend started the First Biewer Club in AMERICA. The standard was that of the same that the IBC had been following ,with the exception of an inclusion of black. Which the IBC has also listed in the standard.
You have known full well that the standard that we have followed in America while showing in NAKC and IABCA was submitted by Donna Hall....This is not new.....LOL:D

Thats the American history.........Like it or not. :animal36
But you already knew that.

Hard to understand? I'll break it down for you, one last time.

Donna imported the first Biewers 2003, Started the First Biewer Club 2003, Showed the First Biewers in NAKC and the IABCA after submitting the STANDARD 2003.

To the orginal poster I apologize , my name was used in this thread and I thought I should respond.
:rolleyes:
How much importance is there in having the first dog in America if nobody else ever heard of her? I had my dogs before I ever heard of Donna Hall. How impressive is it to start a club that nobody joins?
How hard is it for you to understand, that is Donna Halls history, not the American history. By the way, how long did Donna raise Biewers?

Now would you please change your web sites to say you are following the standard written by Donna Hall, not Mr. Biewer. You might want to change the stuff about following Mr. Biewer's dreams also.

This is Mrs. Biewer's breed not Donna hall's, so the standard that Mrs. Biewer endorses is the standard that all respectable Biewer breeders are going by.

sierrapups 05-17-2009 08:13 PM
Enchanted Toi,
I know that Gayle has been breeding Biewers for a long time and also that she is one of the original importers of Biewers. How many Biewer litters have you produced?
I can't believe that you and Greenwood Biewers took someone else's post and hijacked it again to try and bash the Premier Biewer club in America and a top breeder.
For those of us that have been involved with Biewers since Donna Hall was still on the scene maybe a little advice would come in handy to you to do your research before backing up stories.

Please stick to the OP's topic.

EnchantedToi 05-17-2009 08:17 PM
Regardless of what type of importance you want or do not want it to play... its a fact. The Biewer standard was submitted to NAKC and IABCA and had been showing since 2003.

And your constant babble about Mrs Biewer endorsing your standard??
You recently acknowledged yourself.. that the Standard that Mrs Biewer signed in 2007... is not the same standard that the BTCA is using today
" its' almost the same" ?:confused:

And please point out to me where on my website I state I'm following Mr Biewers dream.
Sierra, I have always bred Yorkies, and got involved with the breed upon the foundation of the BBCA.I have spent my first few years learning and studying, and showing.. not pumping out puppies.If you really think that producing the entire alphabet on litters makes you more qualified... than go ahead toot your own horn.LOL

If you want to continue hijacking threads.. start a thread. As this really has gone by the wayside from the original posters question . I mearly responded to Pruett's post using my name.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2626613)
:rolleyes:
How much importance is there in having the first dog in America if nobody else ever heard of her? I had my dogs before I ever heard of Donna Hall. How impressive is it to start a club that nobody joins?
How hard is it for you to understand, that is Donna Halls history, not the American history. By the way, how long did Donna raise Biewers?

Now would you please change your web sites to say you are following the standard written by Donna Hall, not Mr. Biewer. You might want to change the stuff about following Mr. Biewer's dreams also.

This is Mrs. Biewer's breed not Donna hall's, so the standard that Mrs. Biewer endorses is the standard that all respectable Biewer breeders are going by.

Pruett 05-17-2009 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2626627)
Regardless of what type of importance you want or do not want it to play... its a fact. The Biewer standard was submitted to NAKC and IABCA and had been showing since 2003.

And your constant babble about Mrs Biewer endorsing your standard??
You recently acknowledged yourself.. that the Standard that Mrs Biewer signed in 2007... is not the same standard that the BTCA is using today
" its' almost the same" ?:confused:

And please point out to me where on my website I state I'm following Mr Biewers dream.
Sierra, I have always bred Yorkies, and got involved with the breed upon the foundation of the BBCA.I have spent my first few years learning and studying, and showing.. not pumping out puppies.If you really think that producing the entire alphabet on litters makes you more qualified... than go ahead toot your own horn.LOL

If you want to continue hijacking threads.. start a thread. As this really has gone by the wayside from the original posters question . I mearly responded to Pruett's post using my name.
Excuse me, it was your club members that came on this thread and started bashing the BTCA, I was merely correcting them as usual.

If you want to continually babble on about Donna, then call your dogs the Donna Hall la pom pons and remove the Biewer name from your web sites.

Whether you like it or not, Mrs. Biewer endorses our club and what we are doing for the breed in America. That should have been obvious when ypour little gift was returned.

EnchantedToi 05-17-2009 09:00 PM
I don't own a Club, I do however have memberships in a few Clubs, the NAKC , the BBCC and the BBCA?
Now I'm suppose to remove the Biewer name from my website... Are you serious??? LOL:D

And I havn't sent anyone gifts.

I am going to ask the admin to close the thread...Once again, my apology to the Original Poster:(
Perhaps you will start a new thread.









Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2626637)
Excuse me, it was your club members that came on this thread and started bashing the BTCA, I was merely correcting them as usual.

If you want to continually babble on about Donna, then call your dogs the Donna Hall la pom pons and remove the Biewer name from your web sites.

Whether you like it or not, Mrs. Biewer endorses our club and what we are doing for the breed in America. That should have been obvious when ypour little gift was returned.

Marilize 05-17-2009 11:47 PM
Oh please, stop it. If you want to fight, do it on your own time! Seriously ladies, we are grownups, not little kids on the playground fighting over whose Barbie it is!!

Admin, please close the thread.

Pruett 05-18-2009 07:10 AM
I never quite looked at educating the public to the truth as fighting.

phfgkl 05-18-2009 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2626649)
I don't own a Club, I do however have memberships in a few Clubs, the NAKC , the BBCC and the BBCA?
Now I'm suppose to remove the Biewer name from my website... Are you serious??? LOL:D

And I havn't sent anyone gifts.

I am going to ask the admin to close the thread...Once again, my apology to the Original Poster:(
Perhaps you will start a new thread.
Only the OP can ask that the thread be closed(which she has done)


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