LOL how ironic

Would you happen to have anything to contribute to the original posters question??????????????

How ironic is true!! Some things never cease to amaze me.

Sure, I don't know this person, nor have I ever been in S.A. I can't even imagine breeding a 2 lb dog, but I've raised guinea pigs and they are much smaller and haven't had any problems. I don't agree with breeding for tinies, but they do happen. I get quit a few myself, but to say they are unhealthy and a heartache, is like saying that all the small people are going to be unhealthy because they are little. I happen to have quite a few Yorkies that matured to be 2 1/2 and 3 lbs that are still alive today at the age of 16 and down. I have Biewer Terries that are 3 and 4 lbs that are thriving going on 5 yrs. old.

What I don't like is the self righteous attitude of people that are placing opinions as if they were facts. People that don't breed, telling breeders how it should be done. Breeders acting as if they care about nothing but the breed and are mixing 2 different breeds together, and half their dogs don't even live on their property. People that aren't going to listen to anyone that has an opinion different than theirs. People that jump down another breeders throat for the prices they sell their dogs for when they are selling their dogs with under bites and other problems for the same if not more. People that continue to breed dogs that have known genetic problems. People that don't stand behind their dogs when they have health issues or have died because of a genetic defect. Bad breeding is bad breeding no matter what flavor of the month it is.:)

:thumbup:Very well said Gayle, and if I may add, I bought one of her guinea pigs(ms Tootsie), she is 11 mos and only 2 3/4 lbs and healthier than my 6 year old huge yorkie. Like Gayle said, she does NOT breed for the tinies, but, just like other breeders, does occasionally have small pups. All of her breeding females are 5 lbs and over, and all very healthy and beautiful as well. Geez Gayle, next time you go to South Africa, can I go with :D:D:D
Gayle(by the way) has never been to Africa, but, has many times been to Germany

:rolleyes:Whoops!!
Is this an associate or sister club right there on the front page of this site to the BBCA?
Welcome to the Biewer Breeder Club South Africa - Alet Fourie 082 5722279

Thank you Sherrie. You can go to Germany with me next time I go.
I guess I'll try to plan a trip to S.A. later this year.:)

Way to small. Thats an accident waiting to happen.
They may have a lot of health issues growing up if to small.

I really don't think it's the health problems growing up, as I said, my 2 3/4 lb biewer is healthier than my big yorkie, but, it's def. too small to be breeding.

Fact: No it is not :)

LOL Maybe she just wants to show her support.

Please, it's like you're always trying to cause problems. To the OP, as far as what I've read, I would buy some new tennis shoes, and run away. I would never buy from a breeder that breeds 2 pound dogs.

If my stating a fact is causing you a problem, you should report it to adm. :)

[QUOTE=Pruett;2624876]There is still only one club World wide that has the co-originator of the breed's endorsement. Anyone saying they are following the dream and standard of Mr. and Mrs. Biewer are not telling the truth.[/QUOTE]

I find this statement very interesting.. do you really mean ANYONE or was that a slip ??? ;)

-Diana :animal-pa

[quote=GreenwoodBiewer;2625134] Diana, Gayle does not slip, she is very upfront and honest, and I have found, she knows what she's talking about. She is close personal friends with Mrs Biewer, I respect her for doing what Mrs Biewer wants done. The thing is, this thread has gotten out of hand, the OP asked a question. If you have a problem with Gayle, try e-mailing her

[quote=GreenwoodBiewer;2625134]I don't know why you even call your dogs Biewers. You mix Yorkies and Biewers together which is no more than a designer dog. It's understandable to do things in ignorance, but to do them when the facts are on the table is another thing.

I have read many web-sites that say they are following the Biewer's dream and standard. Not one of these people have talked to Mrs. Biewer, so how can they know the dream? They have a Mi Ki breeders standard displayed, which Jan/enchantedtoi finally admitted to, so how are they following their standard.

No it was not a slip Diana.;)

Good Morning Gayle..

I have bred 1 litter of splitters and that was over 1.5 years ago. May I ask how many litters of splitters you have bred?

Facts, like numbers can be twisted to be used to make whatever point someone is trying to make. Facts come from an unbiased source. I'll wait until there really are reliable facts, then we have something to talk about.

-Diana :animal-pa

Good Morning Diana, It is truly a beautiful morning here.

I bred about 6 litters, none of which are in a breeding program, to prove a point. My point was proven, and then we incorporated the help of Mars Veterinary to further substantiate the facts.

Your opinion, and you are entitled to it, is not of the majority. You can do what you want, I don't really care. What I care about is the falsifying of facts from a small group of people that act like they all have a degree in genetics and have been breeding for the last 20 years.

Facts, like numbers can be twisted to be used to make whatever point someone is trying to make. Facts come from an unbiased source.
This statement makes no sense at all. FACTS can be twisted or FACTS come from an unbiased source????????:rolleyes:

What you are getting at? Are you saying that the Mars Veterinary are a bunch of quacks and don't know what they are doing?

My point has been made.. no sense in futher discussion.

Have a great rest of the day. :)

-Diana :animal-pa

there is another lady here in florida who sells/breeds TEENIE TINY babys. I mean the moms are 3lbs min. And she has never had any problems. But I just can't imagine having a one or two pound adult romping around. I have a 1.75lb baby now and I hope he gains weight but he seems to have stopped gaining. Hrmph!!! How scary to get a tiny baby that fits in your palm at 4 months. Not trying to bash her. I mean she's been inspected by AKC people/inspectors and all was GREAT. Although they are just sooooooo cute!!!

Maybe Diane is breeding partis.:confused:

* Sigh*
:rolleyes:

The fact that Donna Hall was involved in her Miki's before visiting Germany and making arrangments for her first Biewer DOES NOT discredit the FACT that Donna Hall with the help of a German friend started the First Biewer Club in AMERICA. The standard was that of the same that the IBC had been following ,with the exception of an inclusion of black. Which the IBC has also listed in the standard.
You have known full well that the standard that we have followed in America while showing in NAKC and IABCA was submitted by Donna Hall....This is not new.....LOL:D

Thats the American history.........Like it or not. :animal36
But you already knew that.

Hard to understand? I'll break it down for you, one last time.

Donna imported the first Biewers 2003, Started the First Biewer Club 2003, Showed the First Biewers in NAKC and the IABCA after submitting the STANDARD 2003.

To the orginal poster I apologize , my name was used in this thread and I thought I should respond.








[quote=Pruett;2625632]

:rolleyes:
How much importance is there in having the first dog in America if nobody else ever heard of her? I had my dogs before I ever heard of Donna Hall. How impressive is it to start a club that nobody joins?
How hard is it for you to understand, that is Donna Halls history, not the American history. By the way, how long did Donna raise Biewers?

Now would you please change your web sites to say you are following the standard written by Donna Hall, not Mr. Biewer. You might want to change the stuff about following Mr. Biewer's dreams also.

This is Mrs. Biewer's breed not Donna hall's, so the standard that Mrs. Biewer endorses is the standard that all respectable Biewer breeders are going by.

Enchanted Toi,
I know that Gayle has been breeding Biewers for a long time and also that she is one of the original importers of Biewers. How many Biewer litters have you produced?
I can't believe that you and Greenwood Biewers took someone else's post and hijacked it again to try and bash the Premier Biewer club in America and a top breeder.
For those of us that have been involved with Biewers since Donna Hall was still on the scene maybe a little advice would come in handy to you to do your research before backing up stories.

Please stick to the OP's topic.

Regardless of what type of importance you want or do not want it to play... its a fact. The Biewer standard was submitted to NAKC and IABCA and had been showing since 2003.

And your constant babble about Mrs Biewer endorsing your standard??
You recently acknowledged yourself.. that the Standard that Mrs Biewer signed in 2007... is not the same standard that the BTCA is using today
" its' almost the same" ?:confused:

And please point out to me where on my website I state I'm following Mr Biewers dream.
Sierra, I have always bred Yorkies, and got involved with the breed upon the foundation of the BBCA.I have spent my first few years learning and studying, and showing.. not pumping out puppies.If you really think that producing the entire alphabet on litters makes you more qualified... than go ahead toot your own horn.LOL

If you want to continue hijacking threads.. start a thread. As this really has gone by the wayside from the original posters question . I mearly responded to Pruett's post using my name.

Excuse me, it was your club members that came on this thread and started bashing the BTCA, I was merely correcting them as usual.

If you want to continually babble on about Donna, then call your dogs the Donna Hall la pom pons and remove the Biewer name from your web sites.

Whether you like it or not, Mrs. Biewer endorses our club and what we are doing for the breed in America. That should have been obvious when ypour little gift was returned.

I don't own a Club, I do however have memberships in a few Clubs, the NAKC , the BBCC and the BBCA?
Now I'm suppose to remove the Biewer name from my website... Are you serious??? LOL:D

And I havn't sent anyone gifts.

I am going to ask the admin to close the thread...Once again, my apology to the Original Poster:(
Perhaps you will start a new thread.

Oh please, stop it. If you want to fight, do it on your own time! Seriously ladies, we are grownups, not little kids on the playground fighting over whose Barbie it is!!

Admin, please close the thread.

I never quite looked at educating the public to the truth as fighting.

Only the OP can ask that the thread be closed(which she has done)