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nacke 04-10-2009 05:02 PM
Help?
 
First off, please dont start off bashing me... Please.

Macy is almost 6 months according to her papers... But according to the VET, she is 2-3 years old. So somehow, someone slipped her through a loophole with another litter. Im a little ticked off at that.

Well, moving on. We adopted Thom 3 weeks ago. I didnt notice anything until last week with their behavior, he was trying to mount her. I stopped it and separated them until now. Thinking she was 6 months... i really didnt think much of it.

Moving to now! Macy has gained 1lb in the last 3 weeks... And is licking herself like crazy... No swollen nipples, but a swollen tummy, eating like crazy... She has a TOTAL food fettish, will not let thom eat until she is done. He backs off and waits...

So my question is... Could she be pregnant?? :confused: And how would i know?? I had totally prepared to keep these two separated through her heats... I have family willing to help. We were still waiting her FIRST heat, but apparently, shes already HAD her first..

LilMissy 04-10-2009 05:08 PM
OMG!!!

You must be so shocked, upset, and stressed! This isn't good! I guess that you best get Macy off to the vet and find out for sure hey?

I'm so sorry you have gotten this "not so welcomed" surprise. Just deal with it the best that you can ok? That's about all that you can do!

nacke 04-10-2009 05:13 PM
Very stressed! Very upset with Macy's breeder. But no matter what, i love her... So we shall deal with whatever is going on! I have a vet visit Tuesday to feel her belly, hoping they can tell something by then, im not sure! Its tight and round for sure!! And shes a grumpy baby!!! It just hit this week. She growls at him for everything!!! Toys, food... Very snappy!

I guess a typical pregnant "person". But boy oh boy, i wasnt ready for this for a few YEARS!:eek:

my2boyz 04-10-2009 05:25 PM
How big is Macy? If that's her in your avatar she looks very small and Thom is 8 to 9 pounds. Are you sure they tied? How old is Thom again?

The females can get very cranky when they are coming into heat. Your Macy could just be coming into heat. Seperate your dogs and call your vet to see what advice they can give you.

Maybe you should have them spayed and neutered to prevent accidents in the future.

nacke 04-10-2009 05:31 PM
Macy is now 5.5lbs.. We had plans of breeding them separately in the future, but then again, i had no idea that she was this old. I know heats can be hardly noticeable after a while... I did not witness a tie, but i have been working alot lately, leaving them in hubby's care... And well, I really dont know.

Thom is almost 8 months, and weighing right at 8lbs today. I was just asking if these were symptoms.. DH is military, and has only been home for a bit, otherwise i would have been at home watching them myself.

Rosiegirl 04-11-2009 06:01 AM
If she is registered, I would at least start by reporting this breeder to the AKC or whatever she's registered with, we don't need breeders like this to be allowed to register more animals this way, they may get suspended. You may have to get a report made from you vet to report this legitamately. Next, just find out if she is pregers, then go from there, and discuss it w/ your vet. If Thom is that much larger it will probably be a problem, which you should never breed them together if they are that different in size, it would be too dangerous. I would deffinitely report this person, they obviously have no respectable practices going on over there.:thumbdown I imagine if you can't tell the difference between a 6 month old dog and a 2 or 3 years old dog then you don't know enough about Yorkies to be breeding at this time, Don't mean to sound rude, but that's what I think.

nacke 04-11-2009 08:08 AM
Well, im now starting to question the vet. She DOES not look 2-3 years old to me at all... Her first vet never questioned the age on the papers, and we are taking her back there today to confirm. We had taken the pups to a vet closer by yesterday for Thom's shots.

She is still loosing baby teeth and her hair is still changing... Ill find out for sure with our regular vet today, and find out if anything happened between these two. I dont intend to breed these two together, especially with the size difference and the fact that they are two different breeds :)

Ill hop back on once we are done at the vets! Wish me luck! :animal36

bchgirl 04-11-2009 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2572664)
Well, im now starting to question the vet. She DOES not look 2-3 years old to me at all... Her first vet never questioned the age on the papers, and we are taking her back there today to confirm. We had taken the pups to a vet closer by yesterday for Thom's shots.

She is still loosing baby teeth and her hair is still changing... Ill find out for sure with our regular vet today, and find out if anything happened between these two. I dont intend to breed these two together, especially with the size difference and the fact that they are two different breeds :)

Ill hop back on once we are done at the vets! Wish me luck! :animal36
If she has baby teeth.....she isn't as old as your vet stated. Is it her head color that's changing? From black to silver? That would indicate a younger dog too. I think it may be time to switch vets.

It's likely she is going into heat....and both of your animals are old enough to reproduce. You need to keep them totally seperated.

amandawash 04-11-2009 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2572664)
Well, im now starting to question the vet. She DOES not look 2-3 years old to me at all... Her first vet never questioned the age on the papers, and we are taking her back there today to confirm. We had taken the pups to a vet closer by yesterday for Thom's shots.

She is still loosing baby teeth and her hair is still changing... Ill find out for sure with our regular vet today, and find out if anything happened between these two. I dont intend to breed these two together, especially with the size difference and the fact that they are two different breeds :)

Ill hop back on once we are done at the vets! Wish me luck! :animal36
I am sorry, but I have to say that there is no way Macy is 2-3 years! I think you need a new vet... I will be watching to see what is said this afternoon.

nacke 04-11-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2572676)
If she has baby teeth.....she isn't as old as your vet stated. Is it her head color that's changing? From black to silver? That would indicate a younger dog too. I think it may be time to switch vets.

It's likely she is going into heat....and both of your animals are old enough to reproduce. You need to keep them totally seperated.
Yep its her hair color on her head that's changing. This was NOT her regular vet that told us all of this, so i have taken her back to her normal vet.

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Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2572678)
I am sorry, but I have to say that there is no way Macy is 2-3 years! I think you need a new vet... I will be watching to see what is said this afternoon.
Macy's normal vet had nothing nice to say about the vet i took them to yesterday :rolleyes:

nacke 04-11-2009 09:58 AM
Update
 
I took Macy back to her normal vet today to confirm age and possibility of pregnancy. She is in fact only 6 months old, as i thought. I have NO idea why the other vet thought she was so old :confused:

The increased appetite is a growth spurt! :D She has doubled her weight in 3 months!

We got an ultrasound done, since he said she didnt seem pregnant. And no puppies! He said he doubts that she has gotten into heat yet. But with her new "grouchy" attitude, to keep an eye out for any swelling or bleeding, as she could be pretty close to it!

She weighed in at 5.5lbs! And Thom at just under 8lbs!

So after all the misleading information from yesterday's vet, everything is fine! :) We are keeping a hawks eye on her, and have arrangements for thom for when Macy goes into heat!

Im sooooo relieved!

FlDebra 04-12-2009 05:55 PM
Whew! Crisis over! That could have been a close one. Glad you went back to your other vet. I looked at pics of your girl and she sure looks puppy-ish to me.

Anyway .... since she is at the age when a heat can come any time, I hate to tell you but you really should not leave them together when no one is there to watch them. I know that is very inconvenient when you work, and they probably already love being together. But, heats (especially first heats) are not always that noticeable. Sometimes they are so clean, you never see any blood. You might miss the start of heat and then a tie could happen while you were at work. So, you might want to crate or at least secure in different rooms. I know, probably not what you want to hear. But better safe than sorry. Course there is another solution, you could spay or neuter one or both.

BTW what breed is Thom?

nacke 04-12-2009 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2574474)
Whew! Crisis over! That could have been a close one. Glad you went back to your other vet. I looked at pics of your girl and she sure looks puppy-ish to me.

Anyway .... since she is at the age when a heat can come any time, I hate to tell you but you really should not leave them together when no one is there to watch them. I know that is very inconvenient when you work, and they probably already love being together. But, heats (especially first heats) are not always that noticeable. Sometimes they are so clean, you never see any blood. You might miss the start of heat and then a tie could happen while you were at work. So, you might want to crate or at least secure in different rooms. I know, probably not what you want to hear. But better safe than sorry. Course there is another solution, you could spay or neuter one or both.

BTW what breed is Thom?
I only work 2 days a week, thank goodness! But on my work days, i will be kenneling them in separate rooms, and when i cant devote 100% attention to them! That was one heck of a scare for sure!!

Thom is a Biewer. We have no plans on breeding them together, so we will stick with this until we find out when she goes into heat, and then my father will be watching Thom for a bit until it passes! Im waiting on fixing them for now, we may eventually breed them to others in their breed... But they still have much growing to so and shows to attend first! :)

FlDebra 04-12-2009 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2574487)
Thom is a Biewer. We have no plans on breeding them together, so we will stick with this until we find out when she goes into heat, and then my father will be watching Thom for a bit until it passes! Im waiting on fixing them for now, we may eventually breed them to others in their breed... But they still have much growing to so and shows to attend first! :)
I see Thom in your Avatar. Is this the same one as in your album that says Hunter? I am not up on all the details of showing Biewers, but you might want to ask a couple of the Biewer Breeders here about your boy. Then go over the Breed Standard, especially about coloring and size. If he is already 8 pounds at 8 months, that could be a problem. Some of the organizations say 4-7 pounds, some say 4-8. I really would seek opinions to see if he is maturing to show quality. If not, then there is no reason to go through all of the extra hassle, just neuter him now.

manolos mom 04-13-2009 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2574659)
I see Thom in your Avatar. Is this the same one as in your album that says Hunter? I am not up on all the details of showing Biewers, but you might want to ask a couple of the Biewer Breeders here about your boy. Then go over the Breed Standard, especially about coloring and size. If he is already 8 pounds at 8 months, that could be a problem. Some of the organizations say 4-7 pounds, some say 4-8. I really would seek opinions to see if he is maturing to show quality. If not, then there is no reason to go through all of the extra hassle, just neuter him now.
:thumbup::thumbup: I agree, you are going to have a hard time keeping them apart for about 25 days. The male drive is unbelievable..He will try anything and will cry all night for her. Kennels may not work, My Manolo is a houdini. If you kennel next to eachother the male can still get her, and belly bands will not stop him...Be careful dear...Lissette

crb 04-21-2009 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rosiegirl (Post 2572548)
If she is registered, I would at least start by reporting this breeder to the AKC or whatever she's registered with, we don't need breeders like this to be allowed to register more animals this way, they may get suspended. You may have to get a report made from you vet to report this legitamately. Next, just find out if she is pregers, then go from there, and discuss it w/ your vet. If Thom is that much larger it will probably be a problem, which you should never breed them together if they are that different in size, it would be too dangerous. I would deffinitely report this person, they obviously have no respectable practices going on over there.:thumbdown I imagine if you can't tell the difference between a 6 month old dog and a 2 or 3 years old dog then you don't know enough about Yorkies to be breeding at this time, Don't mean to sound rude, but that's what I think.
I must say I have to agree with that statement. Thank goodness it all worked out and Macy is not pregnant at such a young age.

Is this your first yorkie? You seem to have a lot of questions about the breed, too many in my opinion, to begin breeding, most breeders are very knowledgeable. I hope you do extensive research on the breed and breeding in general before you make this decision.

nacke 04-21-2009 09:31 AM
Thom is scheduled to be fixed this friday. No more chances of mistakes.

And I am trying to do my research, and am talking to breeders in detail. But I'm only getting bashed here for trying to learn..

Mardelin 04-21-2009 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2587908)
Thom is scheduled to be fixed this friday. No more chances of mistakes.

And I am trying to do my research, and am talking to breeders in detail. But I'm only getting bashed here for trying to learn..
Glad your getting your boy nuetered. I see you're from Lewisville, TX. I lived in Colleyville until 2 years ago. If you need questions answered and really want to learn prior to breeding please PM me. You have some top show breeders in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex who would answer your questions. There is also the Bluebonnet Yorkshire Terrier Club of Dallas, which I'm still a member of. You can get their contact info via the YTCA.org pages. They have a dog show coming in September and of course their is a dog show in Denton Mother's Day Weekend. I'll be there as well as my mentor and other Show Breeders. Come and meet them and talk. They'd be willing to talk to you after the yorkies show.

crb 04-21-2009 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2587908)
Thom is scheduled to be fixed this friday. No more chances of mistakes.

And I am trying to do my research, and am talking to breeders in detail. But I'm only getting bashed here for trying to learn..

Sorry if you feel like you are being bashed, it's just that the Yorkshire Terrier has become quite popular and there are too many unethical breeders jumping on the band wagon and just wanting to line their pockets. Not saying that that is what you are doing, I'm just trying to explain where everyone is coming from. You're quite new to this forum and just bought your first yorkie, when you started talking about breeding and obviously still have a lot to learn, it concerns most people here.

Mardelin is a very knowledgeable breeder and can offer great help, with someone like her helping you, you should be able to learn everything you need to know before beginning your breeding program. Good Luck.

nacke 04-21-2009 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crb (Post 2588463)
Sorry if you feel like you are being bashed, it's just that the Yorkshire Terrier has become quite popular and there are too many unethical breeders jumping on the band wagon and just wanting to line their pockets. Not saying that that is what you are doing, I'm just trying to explain where everyone is coming from. You're quite new to this forum and just bought your first yorkie, when you started talking about breeding and obviously still have a lot to learn, it concerns most people here.

Mardelin is a very knowledgeable breeder and can offer great help, with someone like her helping you, you should be able to learn everything you need to know before beginning your breeding program. Good Luck.
Yea, i Pm'd her :) I am absolutely not in a rush, and would rather learn everything prior. Shes still a baby in my eyes, so i have so much time to learn, and hopefully show with her soon too :) And nope, not in it for the money. Ive read and researched how much it costs to properly breed, and raise the litter.

Pruett 04-22-2009 05:20 AM
Hi Nacke,
I was surprised to hear that Thom was a Biewer. I'm happy to hear you are going to be fixing him as he is really to big for breeding. Did you buy him for breeding? The Biewer is a distinct breed of it's own and not a Yorkie, so I'm glad you have chosen to not mix the two together.

It was nice of Mardelin to offer her assistance as a mentor. If you want more information on the Biewer the BTCA is a wealth of information and the members are always happy to answer any questions you may have.

nacke 04-22-2009 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2589305)
Hi Nacke,
I was surprised to hear that Thom was a Biewer. I'm happy to hear you are going to be fixing him as he is really to big for breeding. Did you buy him for breeding? The Biewer is a distinct breed of it's own and not a Yorkie, so I'm glad you have chosen to not mix the two together.

It was nice of Mardelin to offer her assistance as a mentor. If you want more information on the Biewer the BTCA is a wealth of information and the members are always happy to answer any questions you may have.
Nope, i didn't buy him for breeding. Im gathering all my information before i even look for a breeding dog. :) The almost oops really scared me, and we arent ready for that! So here i am learning as much as i can! And yes, Mardelin has given me a ton of information to read up on. Im excited to go peek around in the dog shows, and see what its all really about :D

Olivier 04-22-2009 06:26 AM
You should have her spayed too .

nacke 04-22-2009 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Olivier (Post 2589395)
You should have her spayed too .
Thank you for your concern. I am intending on learning to show with her, then she will be spayed. :) I can not even attempt to show an altered dog. We have a long road ahead of us, but plenty of good mentors to show us the way. Im hands on type of learner. She will be spayed in due time, no worries!

bchgirl 04-22-2009 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nacke (Post 2590338)
Thank you for your concern. I am intending on learning to show with her, then she will be spayed. :) I can not even attempt to show an altered dog. We have a long road ahead of us, but plenty of good mentors to show us the way. Im hands on type of learner. She will be spayed in due time, no worries!
Unfortunately if you don't get her ears erect...you won't be able to show her.

nacke 04-22-2009 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2590345)
Unfortunately if you don't get her ears erect...you won't be able to show her.
Yes, i know :) We are working on the ears. She can hold them up on her own, but tend to flop when shes chewing on things (shes still teething). Pics in my av are 3 months old now ;)

If they dont hold up in the next few months, its off to be spayed! :)

bchgirl 04-22-2009 04:02 PM
I see....I peeked at your album and assumed they were recent pictures.

nacke 04-22-2009 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2590360)
I see....I peeked at your album and assumed they were recent pictures.
Nope, no new pics of the babies lately, sorry about that! Those are all pics when they both came home. :animal36

nanahas3 04-25-2009 11:08 PM
I am sorry but I have to ask and I really don't mean to sound rude but I have looked at lots of pictures of biewers as I would love to have one and the ones I have seen are all tri-colored. Your thor is a beautiful baby but I dont see 3 colors or maybe its just the pictures????

amandawash 04-26-2009 08:31 AM
How did Thom's neuter go? How's he doing now? Did he need teeth pulled too?

Hope everything went well!


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