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WalnutHill 04-08-2009 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2568410)
Were their parents eligible for registration? I mean many breeders are buying AKC dogs with limited registration, meaning the offspring isn't eligible for registration. They go ahead a register with one of the alternative registries, and produce offspring, and I just want to make sure that they dogs and the offspring they produce won't ever be allowed to register.
They do protect against that. That's why they do research - to see if the dog is eligible for full registration. The parents were eligible for registration, but they just weren't registered because the breeder changed to a different registry. If your puppy is sold with limited registration, you can't just go back and do the registry reserach option.

The way I understand it, if the dog you are trying to register this way is one of a litter that has a litter application, even if you didn't send in the individual registration, you can't go this route.

But, the AKC does a lot of research in to the pedigree and makes a determination - they can decide not to register the dog, to register the dog with full registration, or to register the dog with limited registration.

Nancy1999 04-08-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2568528)
They do protect against that. That's why they do research - to see if the dog is eligible for full registration. The parents were eligible for registration, but they just weren't registered because the breeder changed to a different registry. If your puppy is sold with limited registration, you can't just go back and do the registry reserach option.

The way I understand it, if the dog you are trying to register this way is one of a litter that has a litter application, even if you didn't send in the individual registration, you can't go this route.

But, the AKC does a lot of research in to the pedigree and makes a determination - they can decide not to register the dog, to register the dog with full registration, or to register the dog with limited registration.
Ok, thanks for this answer. I just can't imagine that many people leaving AKC because of the cost.

BamaFan121s 04-09-2009 09:20 AM
In regards to THIS particular situation, what AKC will or won't do should be irrelevant. Your original agreement with the breeder was not to pay the extra for the AKC registration--it's unfortunate that you lost contact with her, but until you regain it, you should honor that agreement. To go behind the breeder's back years later and try to register the dogs anyway is underminded and shady, IMO.

I say this because if I were the breeder and found out, I would be FURIOUS! And that's only IF everything was what the breeder claimed it to be...for all you know, the breeder never had breeding rights on the dogs to begin with, and therefore, neither should anyone owning any offspring they produced.

Mardelin 04-09-2009 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2569673)
In regards to THIS particular situation, what AKC will or won't do should be irrelevant. Your original agreement with the breeder was not to pay the extra for the AKC registration--it's unfortunate that you lost contact with her, but until you regain it, you should honor that agreement. To go behind the breeder's back years later and try to register the dogs anyway is underminded and shady, IMO.

I say this because if I were the breeder and found out, I would be FURIOUS! And that's only IF everything was what the breeder claimed it to be...for all you know, the breeder never had breeding rights on the dogs to begin with, and therefore, neither should anyone owning any offspring they produced.

A bit confused. Did the breeder sell this dog as a pet and want to charge this person extra for AKC papers. Or is is this person stating that she wants breeding rights. If the former is true shame on the breeder. If the later is true, and there is a contract that the dog was sold as a pet.....well then the new owner is expected to honor the contract. I know I've had people in the past come to me for a pet and then later come back at me to change the registration to open. Well that wasn't gonna happen. If I didn't deem the dog an exceptional representation of the breed to keep it in my breeding program, I for sure wouldn't allow someone else to breed it. I'm sure that other breeders have encountered this problem too and that is why they are opting to spay/nueter before the pup leaves their home.

WalnutHill 04-09-2009 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2569673)
In regards to THIS particular situation, what AKC will or won't do should be irrelevant. Your original agreement with the breeder was not to pay the extra for the AKC registration--it's unfortunate that you lost contact with her, but until you regain it, you should honor that agreement. To go behind the breeder's back years later and try to register the dogs anyway is underminded and shady, IMO.

I say this because if I were the breeder and found out, I would be FURIOUS! And that's only IF everything was what the breeder claimed it to be...for all you know, the breeder never had breeding rights on the dogs to begin with, and therefore, neither should anyone owning any offspring they produced.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I was just posting the info in case someone else wanted to know the program with the AKC.

And, as far as the number of breeders who left the AKC because of the cost, we aren't talking about your typical reputable breeder, we are talking about breeders that have a lot of litters and are trying to maximize costs, especially those that sell to Hunte and Lambriar - those brokers don't care about what the papers are, just as long as there are papers. For a breeder like that, with maybe 30 litters a year, well, $10 saving per litter adds up.

Not that I condone those breeders, but the AKC needs money, too. They need all the registrations they can get.

BamaFan121s 04-09-2009 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2569690)
A bit confused. Did the breeder sell this dog as a pet and want to charge this person extra for AKC papers. Or is is this person stating that she wants breeding rights.
It's really not clear Mary as the story is not consistant depending on which thread you are following. Per THIS thread, the dog was acquired from a breeder who was going to charge extra for the registration papers, which the OP refused, but now wants them...WITH open registration. Per another thread, the OP bred the dam/sire and this puppy was a result of her own litter. Either way, the desire is to stud this little 5 lb guy out and from the sounds of it, he possibly has some serious health issues...possibly LP from the sounds of it. Sadly, the OP is refusing to consider any of that logic or advice being offered to her...or even willing with getting the dog to a vet to have it checked out.

Mardelin 04-09-2009 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2569788)
It's really not clear Mary as the story is not consistant depending on which thread you are following. Per THIS thread, the dog was acquired from a breeder who was going to charge extra for the registration papers, which the OP refused, but now wants them...WITH open registration. Per another thread, the OP bred the dam/sire and this puppy was a result of her own litter. Either way, the desire is to stud this little 5 lb guy out and from the sounds of it, he possibly has some serious health issues...possibly LP from the sounds of it. Sadly, the OP is refusing to consider any of that logic or advice being offered to her...or even willing with getting the dog to a vet to have it checked out.
Mmmm, then from the sounds of it, why continue with this thread?

BamaFan121s 04-09-2009 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2569805)
Mmmm, then from the sounds of it, why continue with this thread?
:D Exactly.

Mardelin 04-09-2009 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2569813)
:D Exactly.
Will take it off my list.

JeanieK 04-09-2009 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2568410)
Were their parents eligible for registration? I mean many breeders are buying AKC dogs with limited registration, meaning the offspring isn't eligible for registration. They go ahead a register with one of the alternative registries, and produce offspring, and I just want to make sure that they dogs and the offspring they produce won't ever be allowed to register.
Yes it seems to me as if this is a way of getting around limited registration.

tiggerr36792 04-09-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2569846)
Yes it seems to me as if this is a way of getting around limited registration.
I pray that is NOT the case, ugh.


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