Question about AKC and pedigree
 

Ok. when I got my yorkie they told me that his mom and dad were akc registered but I opted not to get the papers because they charged more. Since then, I have lost all contact with the breeder and she has moved. I don't even remember her last name. Well, the AKC now has a program where they will somehow test your dog to see if it was from AKC lineage and if it was, they will register it with no papers if you send it a 3 generation pedigree. The problem is I have no idea how I am supposed to find out his pedigree. He is only going to weigh 3 lbs if that full grown and I would really like to stud him out. I can register him with CKC but that's not that great. Anyone have any advice???

Didn't the breeder give you the AKC registration when you purchased your puppy?

So now you are attempting to register the dog but you didn't pay the breeder for the papers?

Being 3 pounds is really not a very good reason to stud him out .

I think you may be confusing registries or perhaps confusing the AKC's policy with Conditional Registration -- that is for dogs that have been AKC registered and then found to have a problem with DNA testing, in other words DNA testig proved the parentage listed on original papers is incorrect, but that they are full blooded yorkies. They give them a conditional registration and then they have to come up with a 3 generation pedigree.

There are other registries that require not much more than two people saying they are yorkies and maybe some pictures. But those registries are not worth the paper and ink it took to make them. They are really just a scam on the prospective buyer to make them think the dogs are documented as pure-bred.

I have a question though .... you have another thread here that says you did not get a health guarantee on this little 2 1/2 pound yorkie male because you were the breeder. Confusing.......

The Only way to register with AKC once you have lost his breeder information and not registered or not having the information to fully register you can do Only a Listing Privilege, which allows you to only participate in their acrivities, excluding confirmation.
Check out this link: American Kennel Club - Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege for more information. I have not heard from AKC the program you mentioned. You may have things confussed with another registry.
You would also have to prove that he is neutered to do this. You would not be able to use him for breeding. And at his size why would you, not to mention he might not even have the qualities to be breeding him.

Here is AKC link about registering with them: Registering a Dog
You would have to get litter registration papers from the breeder to do this. I could not find anywhere in AKC site what you spoke about.

I am confused, too. Is this the same dog you are considering breeding to your female poodle to make Yorkiepoo's? Why does AKC registration even matter? :confused:

Actually AKC does have some sort of program now that allows you to attempt to 'prove' your dogs purebred lineage and get them AKC registered. It is expensive and time consuming, and is probably not worth it because I imagine they rarely honor it. I will have to find the link.

Here we go, American Kennel Club - Dog Registration Questions and click on the first question under eligibility and scroll down to the 2nd part.

Many breeders say this, and what it usually means is that they didn't have the rights to breed, one or both of their dogs. A breeder registers a whole litter for around $25.00, if the offspring are eligible, and since you can sell an AKC dog for way more than an unregistered dog, it's well worth the $25.00. However, not all dogs have breeding rights, and their offspring aren't eligible for registration. So the breeders misled consumers by telling them the parents were registered, and they will register the dog, but it will cost you more, everyone always says, "never mind". If the breeder had rights he would have registered the dogs when the litter was born. Unless the parents were registered and had breeding rights, puppies cannot be registered. It's not the cost of registration that makes breeders forgo registration; it's the eligibility requirements. It would be very unlikely you would be able to find any information without the breeders name, and while the AKC has various registries, some only apply if you want to enter your dogs into various agility shows, they aren't not meant for registering your dog so that they will be able to produce offspring that is eligible for registration. Dogs registered in these alternative registries must be neutered. I agree that the CKC is not that good, and believe it is essentially worthless, since they will register any dog. It's just meant to mislead consumers into thinking they got something valuable because their dog is registered, but anyone can start up a registry, and not all registries are created equal.

Thanks BlueSkies -- I had not read that before. But it seems like they have already disqualified most situations. I can't think of what situation it would apply to. Here are the disquals:
"There are a number of reasons a purebred dog would be ineligible for registration or the owner might choose to apply for a PAL/ILP instead of registering the dog. To list a few of the more common ones:

Dog is from a rescue group or shelter
Owner never received papers from the breeder
Incomplete paper work
Owner does not want to pay late fees
Dog registered with another organization ineligible for AKC registration such as:
America’s Pet Registry (APRI)
Continental Kennel Club (CKC)
Canine Kennel Club (CKC)
United All Breed Registry
United Kennel Club (exceptions for Coonhounds & certain FSS breeds)
North American Purebred Dog Registry "

So, this OP could nt use this option since she never got papers from the breeder when she bought the dog. I am glad they have the list for disqualification. I was concerned on first glance that they might be registering dogs previously from other registries.

AKC research
 

The AKC does have a new program where they will research the pedigree of a dog that is registered with another registry. Basically, what the AKC is doing is trying to get breeders back from the ACA, APRI, etc. A lot of breeders went to the other registries because they are a little cheaper and easier to deal with (you don't have to do DNA testing on males, etc). Please don't freak out on me, it's true. The AKC isn't that expensive to register a litter, but the ACA is only $10 for a litter. So, a lot of people who don't show went to the other regestries just because of that.

If you have any questions about it, PM me, we used the service. It can be a long, detailed process if you don't know what you are doing.

For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.
In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.
Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.
When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:[LIST=1][*]Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.[*]Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line[*]Mail to:

AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617

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They are. IF the dogs come from AKC registerable stock. We had them do research on some of our dogs (registered with both the ACA and the APRI when we bought them). They did come from AKC registerable stock, and so they are now registered with the AKC. Thier parents were not registered with the AKC, but their grandparents were.

Were their parents eligible for registration? I mean many breeders are buying AKC dogs with limited registration, meaning the offspring isn't eligible for registration. They go ahead a register with one of the alternative registries, and produce offspring, and I just want to make sure that they dogs and the offspring they produce won't ever be allowed to register.

They do protect against that. That's why they do research - to see if the dog is eligible for full registration. The parents were eligible for registration, but they just weren't registered because the breeder changed to a different registry. If your puppy is sold with limited registration, you can't just go back and do the registry reserach option.

The way I understand it, if the dog you are trying to register this way is one of a litter that has a litter application, even if you didn't send in the individual registration, you can't go this route.

But, the AKC does a lot of research in to the pedigree and makes a determination - they can decide not to register the dog, to register the dog with full registration, or to register the dog with limited registration.

Ok, thanks for this answer. I just can't imagine that many people leaving AKC because of the cost.

In regards to THIS particular situation, what AKC will or won't do should be irrelevant. Your original agreement with the breeder was not to pay the extra for the AKC registration--it's unfortunate that you lost contact with her, but until you regain it, you should honor that agreement. To go behind the breeder's back years later and try to register the dogs anyway is underminded and shady, IMO.

I say this because if I were the breeder and found out, I would be FURIOUS! And that's only IF everything was what the breeder claimed it to be...for all you know, the breeder never had breeding rights on the dogs to begin with, and therefore, neither should anyone owning any offspring they produced.

A bit confused. Did the breeder sell this dog as a pet and want to charge this person extra for AKC papers. Or is is this person stating that she wants breeding rights. If the former is true shame on the breeder. If the later is true, and there is a contract that the dog was sold as a pet.....well then the new owner is expected to honor the contract. I know I've had people in the past come to me for a pet and then later come back at me to change the registration to open. Well that wasn't gonna happen. If I didn't deem the dog an exceptional representation of the breed to keep it in my breeding program, I for sure wouldn't allow someone else to breed it. I'm sure that other breeders have encountered this problem too and that is why they are opting to spay/nueter before the pup leaves their home.

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I was just posting the info in case someone else wanted to know the program with the AKC.

And, as far as the number of breeders who left the AKC because of the cost, we aren't talking about your typical reputable breeder, we are talking about breeders that have a lot of litters and are trying to maximize costs, especially those that sell to Hunte and Lambriar - those brokers don't care about what the papers are, just as long as there are papers. For a breeder like that, with maybe 30 litters a year, well, $10 saving per litter adds up.

Not that I condone those breeders, but the AKC needs money, too. They need all the registrations they can get.

It's really not clear Mary as the story is not consistant depending on which thread you are following. Per THIS thread, the dog was acquired from a breeder who was going to charge extra for the registration papers, which the OP refused, but now wants them...WITH open registration. Per another thread, the OP bred the dam/sire and this puppy was a result of her own litter. Either way, the desire is to stud this little 5 lb guy out and from the sounds of it, he possibly has some serious health issues...possibly LP from the sounds of it. Sadly, the OP is refusing to consider any of that logic or advice being offered to her...or even willing with getting the dog to a vet to have it checked out.

Mmmm, then from the sounds of it, why continue with this thread?

:D Exactly.

Will take it off my list.

Yes it seems to me as if this is a way of getting around limited registration.

I pray that is NOT the case, ugh.