HELP my friend has 2 blue puppies
 

MY friend several weeks ago called and said that her yorkie had puppies. I thought Awww I will come see them when they get old enough. She said 2 of the puppies look a smokey color. I didnt think anything about that untill last night I got to see the puppies. OH My goodness. 2 of the puppies are as blue as blue can be. I asked her what was wrong wtih them. She said she has no idea... I was so worried all night. I got on line this morning to see if I could find out anything.. I just read the thread on the choc and blueyorkies someone had posted earlier. They said that this is a defect and that the puppies might not live very long, that the you should not try raising one.. What is she to do. Are they saying to put them to sleep.. The puppies are 6 weeks old and are playing and look really healthy. I just cant imagine putting a puppy to sleep because of what the future may or may not hold.. Please if anyone has any info on this let me know. I have 2 yorkies myself that I show. So I know this color is not right at all.... Maybe she can find a home for them???? Someone with alot if time...

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As a 30 plus year breeder/exhabitor, this is what I know.. Pups born blue are different then Chocolate born. I do not thinkt he Chocolates have the skin and health problems many, not all blues have. I had one chocolate and one blue some years back. I gave the chocolate to a friend..I charged $100 for the blue to cover my expensives. So far there are no problems, but the saddle (blue area) does not always grow coat. I have seen photo's of some blue's that have little or no body hair, only gold..others have a short coat that does not grow. There is a gene called "fatal blue" and the pups will die...but that is not the case with all blues. You will find unreputable breeders charging thousands for choc's and blue's..just because something is rare does not mean it is valuable or desirable. A breeder has to decide early on what type of breeder they want to be..the first step is an informed one..the Internet is a world of knowledge and forums. Best wishes

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Thank yo so much for the info. This is really a sad thing that has happened. The puppies have a full coat of hair now. But I guess we will never know what to expect for the future of the puppies... I will see if I can get some pictures of the puppies.. My heart goes out to them. :(

Ahhhhhhhhhh............me I am an old softie...............for all animals.
Experience is worth alot more then book knowledge...........but if I had a blue yorkie, a purple yorkie..lol.....etc......I would raise it..........thats me.........if the little baby is questionable keep it / sale it if it is healthy (with spay agreement)
I had never heard of a blue yorkie!
I just know that nothing is perfect.

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What can happen is the coat that is blue stays short or falls out and is replaced by a very short hair..like a Doxie, smooth and short. I see no need to put any dog down because the color is wrong. I remember years ago a member of our club had several grey pups in a litter..she did not repeat the litter..these pups were not heathy and died..but many will be just fine. My blue boy is 3 years old now and his family keep in touch.

As to book knowledge over experince...they both go hand in hand..I would pick experince over book knowledge to a point. When we are dealing with peoples hearts and emotions..and breeders are for sure. We need to know all we can, read, talk to other breeders, go to shows whether you show or not, talk to vets etc...the reason being, when a pup is born with a problem many breeders do not recognize it and sell the pup..later the new owner goes through misery and heart break, not to count the $$$$$ to fix a problem...many pups die from lack of breeder knowledge..selling too soon, not recognizing something abnormal...the vet can give a liver shunt puppy a clean bill of health on a good day..not all LS pups are continiously sick. If the breeder does not tell the vet what they observe, many vets will not know by a simply well puppy check before the pup leaves...plus many breeders feel their pups are just fine and never see the vet before they leave...you only have to read a few forums to see the heartache an "unlearned" breeder can cause...best wishes

I found this on the net for you......


Genetics Of The Yorkshire Terrier Blue Born & Red/Chocolate Born Puppies

The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.

Recently I received a call from someone asking about the blue born puppies. That was a real blast from the past. Hadn’t heard of anyone having blue born puppies in some years. When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring.

Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life.

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I have read that article also. It is not always true they will die or have health problems..BUT I would not want to let one go to an unsuspecting pet lover without them knowing there could be serious problems. Some people will willing take on a potential health problem and do what is necessary for the welfare of the pet. I see no need to put a pup down until there is a reason.

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Thanks to all for the info. Thanks LittleBeakerboy on the article.. It was of great help.... I will keep you posted on the health of the puppies :)

no problem and i wish the best of luck with the puppies......by the way.. i have never seen a blue puppie... do you think you can get a pic and post it.....thanks...

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I have had 2 blue puppies out of a mom and dad they are beautiful , I have some pictures of them on the thread about my yorkie. Have had 2 boys ,the last boy we had is about 14mths now has a full coat no health problems etc..
This last blue pup is out of a single litter is doing great about 10 ounces now and big and fat seems to be just as healthy as the last. some one had written about the dilute do you think that it is coming from the male or female or both together is it worth breeding her to another male etc..... Have talked to a breeder down in IA and they have had 4 in 30 yrs said all that they have had are doing well all have hair and are healthy as of yet I have never heard anything about the dilute, do you know where I could get more info on this?

I just had 2 blue yorks over 11 weeks ago, there is nothing wrong with them, they are actually the most playfull out of all of them......They are boys and they do have the leathery skin, their ear hair was the 1st to go and then their forhead, now they have hair coming back on the ears in scattered spaces. They hair is rough and it is by no means a full coat. But my vet says that their hair will grow back, he has seen it before. I am wondering if a biopsy is worth it and can tell me than I already know.....Here is a picture of my boys in case you don't know what they look like....

Did you have these boys out of a litter yourself or did you buy them? How old were they when you got them? Have a pic of our blue and am curious if they lookes them same as pups color etc. Will try to get the picture of that older male on here, dont know for sure how or if I can it was not on a digital they sent it to me in the mail

Here is the blue coat I was talking about he is about 14mths and has a good coat his face has stayed blue I guess no hair loss , as you can see they have not trimmed his ears and they are full of hair he looks like he has turned black but I guess they said he has a dark blue color through out his coat.
sorry for the mess on the pic my kids tried to cut it and then couldnt get it off

Intresting..i've never heard of that before! I heard the white patch in the middle of their chest is bad too huh? My yorkie-poo has a little white patch in the middle, what does that mean again? :confused:

I keep looking at the 14 month old puppy and I honestly cannot see that he is a true blue. The puppies shown do not look like the true blues I have seen. Do y'all have the pedigrees for these babies?
In the article that says "I received a call----" I was the caller mentioned. YorkieRose gave me some info and I followed up on the blue baby I saw. These babies can be born with a thick-feeling coat but it feels rough and is definitely BLUE! When the blue puppy coat sheds the adult hair is wispy, patchy, and feels just like 300 grade steel wool. The ears are bald, the skin under any blue areas is rough sorta like a crested.
I am not sure if I posted a pic of Jillian as adult or not. She is a delight to her mommy and is for most intents and purposes, healthy...might have hypothyroidism, but not diagnosed. I can post pics if interested..

Help! I've got 2 blue puppies plus 2 normal ones
 

Hello to you all!
I've read (sorry if my english is not perfect-I'm from Portugal) your posts and

I have a terrible doubt if my 2 puppies are 'the true blue ones'.????

I am in suffering very much , woried, and I don't know if I go for euthanasia...I feel like cry.

Please take a look at the photos and help me, I don't know what to do...
They have 6 days and seem very healthy so far.

Both parents and grandparents are normal color, as well as their 2 brothers as you can see in the photos, all 4 males.

Please someone help me and give an opinion.
Thanks
Marina
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They look blue/gray, but why worry..they are what they are...I would allow them to grow up and deal with any problems later..they may never have any problems and be perfectly fine.
Please do not put them down..if worse comes to worse and there is a problem, you can get vet advise...I am a bit like Scarlett O"Hara..I will think about it tomorrow...because everything looks just fine today! LOL

My humble opinion is: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! As long as the pups are healthy and someone is willing to give them good and loving homes, I don't see the problem. As we all know, when you get a pet you aren't guaranteed the amount of time you will be blessed with it anyway or the fact that later on down the line it will develop health problems. It's a chance we are all willing to take with our babies. It wouldn't bother me a bit to care for one of those puppies, sooner or later we will all probably face heartache because we live so much longer than our pets as a rule. I say, take care of them and find them good homes where they won't be bred.
Windy

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Thank you Pat and Sophie, I gess nothing is certain in our future...
For now, I will let them grow and hope to find that perfect home for them if possible.
But you know, nowone wants trouble plus expenses whith their pet, its going to be a difficult task, even if I give them instead off seling,
I won't cheet and I will tell all I now know about this recesssive gene.

It's :sad: really.

In your photos the blue yorkies seem very different from mines.
Tanks again
Marina

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My first post to this subject was in Feb...Some may not agree, but I am beginning to think the health problems with non-standard color Yorkies is exaggerated. I know some have problems, but probably no more then the average blue/gold, black/tan Yorkie.
You are being perfectly honest with any potential buyer to say...I can not predict the future with these pups, no more tehnthe standard color, but you may return them if you have a serious health problem. Ask a fair price for your expenses and let them know it is not refundable since it is for expenses and not profit.
No papers and agree to neutering. If you need help finding homes, let Whispersmoms and I know...we can help you.

Now smile and think how lucky you are to have 4 fat, adorable Yorkie babies who will soon be giving you lots of wet kisses.

Here is a pic of our blue pup he will be 8 wks soon no health problems as of yet have had him too the vet 3 times am just worried a litle I guess after all I have read ,our last blue is still doing well and is healthy, this pup is so cute and lovey our kids want to keep the little fur ball will see, he is going to be a big boy about 2 pds now. I woul dnot put those pups down is not their fault they were born that way I would wait and see what happens with them, do not breed the parents together again or you may have more of these little stinkers, ours have been healthy so far (knock on wood).

011011, Your little guy is really cute! :D

I think I must be blind, 011011 your baby looks beautiful to me..i don't even see the blue...oh i'm losing it i suppose...but adorable baby!

If I was in this situation, I would think of it this way::

If I had a baby and it came out with a problem like that, and they said my child could only have a certain amount of years to live, or could be fine, I wouldn't kill my baby.

thank you I think he is adorable too over the past few weeks he has gotten darker in color lost his light blue or grey coloring and turned to a dark mousey grey, hopefully he will be fine just like the other one but you never can tell. He has such a personality he a singleton pup and has gotten very brave here lately very out going and torments our other dogs struts around like he is king tut.

Your little ones are adorables . If they are healthy , I really don't see the need for euthanasia . IMO , there are too many little ones killed for nothing .
If I wasn't living so far , I would adopt one as soon as he would be ready to leave his mother and siblings . They really are adorables , no matter the colors
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I believe the fatal colored blue born pups have no tan pigment at all and their noses, pads and such are also blue.

I am going to have to do more research on these "silver" type born pups. I know some people say chocolate can look silver/tan at birth.

Well CC's, lets hope mines are not the 'true blue ones'...
They have the right tan color in place, only the black is replaced by grey and, in the light, there are brown reflects in the coat.
The nose and nails are like you see in this pic:
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let´s hope it help to make an opinion.
Marina

Blue or Grey yorkies?
 

Yorkirose said:
«You are being perfectly honest with any potential buyer to say...I can not predict the future with these pups, no more tehnthe standard color, but you may return them if you have a serious health problem. Ask a fair price for your expenses and let them know it is not refundable since it is for expenses and not profit.
No papers and agree to neutering.«

I think it's the best way too.
Marina

By all means, to everyone here that has questionable puppies. If they seem healthy please don't put them down. Just make sure that they go to good homes who know what the history is behind them. As long as they aren't being breed purposely, thus making sure that they are "fixed", why they can't be placed with loving people. To me they are just as adorable as any other color...