Need advice from exp. breeders
 

I put a deposit on a 10 month old little girl I asked her to wait on me 2 wks since my house was in construction and I didn't want her coming to a messy and loud house. I have purchased everything you can think of for this little girl personalized beds, tons of treats, toys, and a bunch of other things it would take me forever to name. Well when it was time to come home she couldn't get a hold of the lady that was to deliver her so she took her to a big barbecue her brother was throwing she mentioned there would be friends and family there. she went for the weekend well when she got back she told me I couldn't get her because she was traumatized from 3 kids that were there. I insisted that maybe she was scared because it wasn't her home, there was a lot of other people she didn't know plus the kids. ok so she said she would take her to her neighbors to be around the children there. Well the very first day she told me she did great then the next day she was ok for a while then got nervous. then the breeder got sick and didn't take her over for about a week. Well today she took her over today and she said she was nervous so she made the kids sit down and wait for the baby to come to them. well she said all was going good. she told the boy to slowly let her smell his hand well that went well. When the lil girls turn came up she snapped at her. Oh and I forgot to mention she is in heat now which I think had something to do with that. I have contacted other breeders and all have told me the same. I asked if they thought she could get used to kids and they said it depends on her personality. the breeder had told me she was not a shy or nervous dog at all and was very playful, with that said they told me they were sure she would do just fine. That it may take a while but she would be fine. these were breeders with 20+ yrs. experience so I trust their opinion. i told the breeder today that maybe she should try bringing the kids to her home see how it goes. i have a quiet spot (my daughters room) ready for her because my plans have been to let her get used to me first and when my daughter is napping i could let her around my home so she can get used to the house too, then slowly introduce my kids to her. my kids have grown up around small dogs i had a 13 yrs. old chihuahua who recently passed away from old age and my mom has a chihuahua too which they are around almost daily. When my chi passed away my son was devastated as he grew up around her all the time so I bought him some baby chicks and they were really good with them too and those things are super small and fragile so being gentle to animals is not a problem as I know my kids are. What do you recommend I do it's been about 1 mon. and a 1/2 since I placed the deposit and feel super attached to this girl even if she isn't here yet (weird i know ) i am devastated and have cried so much throughout this stressful situation. please let me know what you think. If she was traumatized of children would she have done good at all the first two visits?

Sorry for your bad experience! It sounds to me like the dog is not socialized with children or many people at a time. A Yorkie at that age should not be traumatized that easily.(unless the kids were mean) I think that it would be better for the dog to go to your house as it sounds a little more peaceful than where she is at right now. Have you met this dog yet? How is she with you?
My personal opinion: Tell the breeder that you either want the dog or want your deposit back now!! Ask the breeder if there is a problem if you took her home now!! To me, it sounds like something fishey is going on or the breeder changed her mind or sold her at a higher price to someone else. Its almost like this breeder is trying to talk you out of buying the dog with all of her excuses why you cant have her yet.
Best of luck!

Was it agreed on that the breeder would try to socialize her first with kids before you got her? What you've described sounds more like bouncing the pup around that a real attempt at socializing her. And with her being in heat certainly doesn't help. Seems like it might be best for her to keep her through her heat cycle now that it's come. Adjusting to a new home with her hormones going crazy probably isn't a good idea. At least you are still keeping in touch with the breeder. Hopefully y'all can work it out but it sounds like she's already kept her a month longer than you asked her to. Sometimes breeders can get attached to an older pup and be really picky before they let them go. Just seems odd for her to hold her this long after agreeing to sell her to you and taking a deposit. If the kids thing was such a big deal, she could have just considered an adult only home for her. I could only suggest that you try to pin her down to a firm date to get your girl once she's past her cycle (it last about 3 weeks) or else ask for your deposit back.

I would take my deposit back but I feel so attached to this girl and I haven't even met her. i cried uncontrollably the whole day that she sent me the e-mail to tell me I couldn't have her. On Tues. last week she sent me this e-mail

I am sorry you have not heard from me,but I have been very sick. I have a bad kidney infection along with a severe migraine. I spent most of my day at the doctors today and he also told me I have this bug that is going around. Any way's I will make this quick. I need to have the phone # to that lady *****. I know you gave it to me,but I think my son thru the paper away by mistake. I will call her and find out what schedules she has and see if we can coincide them together. In the meantime,before I send ***** i will need the remaining $2,150.00. I will find out from ***** if she receives the rest from you,or if I am supposed to give it to her on my end. I have not been able to take ***** over to my neighbors since Saturday,due to feeling like I have been run over by a truck. Hopefully we can get her to you soon.

I was so happy cause to me she was telling me she was coming home. well yesterday i got this e-mail

I am sorry I have not got with you but I have been very sick. I am still very weak and am not back to myself yet. I spoke with ***** and she said she was really backed up due to the disaster that hit there and she would not be able to do anything until next week. That is good news for me, as it gives me some time to take ***** back over to my neighbors house and try to acclimate her to small children again. I hope to be feeling better and stronger by this weekend and will try this process again. I hope you and your family are OK and you did not receive any damage to your home,as there are so many people that did. I know this is taking longer than you wanted and completely understand if you want me just to send your deposit back,as it is still going to depend on how ***** does next door. I don't want to candy coat this ******,if I think she will be ok I will be more than happy to send her to you,but if she still responds the way she did in the past situations with the small children I will not send her and have a clear conscious.

My heart dropped to the floor and I called her and asked why she had changed her mind, and that i thought it had been decided she would be coming home. she said that she didn't tell me she was coming home yet , but to me the e-mail she sent me Tues. just about said that or am i wrong. When I told my son the first time she might not come home to us he was so sad and after the Tues. e-mail i told him she was coming after all he was so excited now I don't know what I am going to tell him if she says no again. I feel this isn't fair to me or my family, we love this girl already and feel she should come home. those of you that love dogs would probably understand this right? Oh and when she says past situations she meant at the barbecue and 2 visits to the neighbors.

Sorry this seems confusing to me. Is the sick lady the breeder of the dog or is she sellling it for someone else? Why is there a delivery person and why cant you just pick up the dog yourself? It also seems like an aweful lot of money to spend on a dog that you have never seen or to be able to see the parents or where the puppy was raised. Sorry for the questins, but I am confused a bit.

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:thumbup::thumbup:. I have to agree here also.

Look I no you feel you are attached to this pup already. But to me it sure sounds like you are going through a lot of hassle that you really shouldn't be. It really sounds to me like she wants to sell this dog onto someone else, that's even if they still have her!!!!!!!. Look if it was me I would be outta there. I would get my deposit back, and start looking for another yorkie. I would start by looking for a breeder that if possible lives close to you, and you can go see the living conditions, the mother, and if possible the father, make sure the puppies are being socialized properly.
I no you have your heart set on the puppy, but if all that is being said by the breeder/broker, (not sure), is true. Do you really wanna spend that amount of money on a pup that is so unsocialized among people and kids. It might cause major problems for you in the future. :)


My heart breaks for you. :cry:

I heartily agree with this poster. It sounds to me like you are getting the run around here. I would take my deposit back and find another breeder, one that is closer, that you can meet, where you can see, meet, & socialize with your possible puppy choice. This just all sounds very non-professional and fishy. I could be wrong, but better to be cautious & sure.........better to be safe than sorry.............
I am so sorry & hope that your yorkie puppy will find YOU soon.

I agree that it is alot of money for a pup you haven't seen. As a breeder if I thought there might be a problem with children I would have requested that you and your children meet with the pup so you can see and determine for yourself and that I as the breeder will know if I feel comfortable with you as a family for the pup. If it's too far to have a meeting with the breeder then I would get my deposit back and look for one closer to home. One of the main determining factorsd for me when I place a pup is to see if there is a connection with you and the pup.

I also agree with this! :thumbup:

I personally, at this point, would not feel comfortable with this breeder or this dog that she is claiming has socialization issues. That is quite a lot of money to spend, especially when the situation is as fishy as it is sounding. I would ask for my deposit back and look elsewhere.

Follow your gut instinct.

I am torn. I feel for you as you are 'in love' with the 'idea' of her.

But I must say this...dogs are not just dogs, they each have their own personalities, their own needs and wants. Each 'family' also has their own personality, their own needs and wants. Not every dog is right for every family and vica versa. And honestly, I really can't imagine placing a grown dog with a family site unseen, how can it be determined that your family is right for her? And this goes for you too. You have never met this dog, so you have no idea if she is right for your family :confused:

I do hope that everything goes as it should...what's best for her and what's best for you...

Is it me or does that seem like A LOT of money for a 10 month old dog? Dont people usually pay that much for almost newborn puppies? :confused:

I don't see why anybody is confused I have seen time after time people get dogs online here without seeing them. She is actually not the breeder she purchased this puppy from Brynstar but was too small to breed so she decided to place her. My real question here was what do experienced breeders think about the children issue. Based on her personality and doing good with them on the first day do you think she would adjust with time to my home? Do you think it would make a difference if she would bring the kids to her home and try it there or do you think she is in fact traumatized like she claims? If she were closer to me I would have gone to get her long time ago but she is quite far from me.

I think if she was nervous and snappy at their house she wll be the same at yours. I have a female that is nervous around kids and she has never changed even though shes around kids

I think everyone was a little confused about the issue why she isn't sending her to you now, and if she was the breeder, now that we know she isn't that she purchased the girl for breeding and is to small and is rehoming her it makes alittle more sense.
I would go ahead and get her, she sounds as if she isn't socialized but if your really wanting her, it will take a few weeks or so, but you can do it:)

You see that's exactly what I think due to the fact she did great the first visit which to me is a could indicator that with time and patience she would come around. Like she said she is not a nervous or shy dog and is very playful that alone makes me think that she would adjust. I mean she's still basically a puppy isn't she?

i don't "knowingly' sell my puppies to people with children under about twelve years old. Now, this is just the way I do it and my opinion is based on MY OWN, well behaved, used to my dogs, around my dogs, grandchildren who are five and eight. I think you ought to get your money back. i know if she came from Brynstar tho, she is a beauty.

It is very possible to re-socialize a 10 month old, however there is also a chance you cannot re-socialize her. At this point it seems to me that it might be best to look elsewhere for another puppy since all this re-homing is NOT in the best interest of the dog. As a breeder our first concern should be for the dog and it does look like the concerns the lady has are validated.

If I had a dog that was experiencing these behaviors I have to say I'd place the dog in a home without children simply because it is what would be best for the dog. I know you say your already attatched to her but think of it this way: What would happen if you did get the dog and couldn't re-socialize her? Would it be fair for you to get even more attatched to her to only have your heart broken again when you have to place her elsewhere because she cannot be re-socialized?? IMO do whats best for both of you and let the lady place this dog in a home without children, you will both be better off.

Personally at this point I'd be less concerned about the dog and more concerned about getting my deposit back.

Thanks for clarifying! I think that the dog might adjust faster if she was in your home. Your home sounds like its a more stable environment and the dog would not be constantely passed back and forth between homes to get "socialized". talk about confusing for the dog!! Plus, since you are not sick, you would have more time to work with the dog. I would tell that lady that you want her now or the deal is off.

I just got off the phone with Stephanie the actual breeder and she agrees that she would adjust based on her personality and age. When I talk to the seller i am going to mention this and hopefully she will just send us our girl :) This has been very stressful for us and I just want it to be over. Thanks for all the replies I really appreciate it.

Oh gosh I don't know what to say i am shaking here. I called the seller and told her i contacted the breeder and told her the situation so i could get her opinion. She didn't even want to listen to me she yelled at me and told me I was going behind her back. I told her that she (seller) had asked me to call breeders and get second opinions and that I thought the breeders opinion would be important. She yelled at me and hung up on me. Was it that bad for me to do that, I was just trying to get her opinion. Oh gosh i am crying so much and so shaky, I honestly didn't think I was doing a bad thing.

Honestly, something just does not seem right here. I think I would get my deposit back and look for another baby. Just my opinion. Good luck whatever you decide!

I agree you should never need to feel bad it is you option to contact who ever you want and as a breeder she should understand that. I think somthing is not right, there are so many other yorkies that needs new homes do not get your hart broke. You should go to someone that you would feel comfortable to contact for anything and she does not seem to be.

I agree! Get your money back while you can

Saying this gently...this person does not want to sell you this dog for whatever reason. She's giving you multiple excuses...probably to waylay returning your deposit. There are many many wonderful yorkies out there...and many wonderful breeders who would love to find them a good home. I'd call her back and demand my deposit pronto.

Oh my goodness...she should NOT have yelled at you. :( You don't want to buy from a person like this. Maybe, since you have already spoken to the original breeder, she would have an older one that she would be willing to place with you. I am so sad for you and how you have been treated!

Tammy

Wow - what a mess.

Sounds like this lady was sold this female for breeding -and now she's selling her behind the breeder's back... which is a BIG NO-NO!! so I'm surprised the actual breeder didn't say something to you. It also sounds like she is trying to make a large profit off of this dog. Unless this female was already Championed and ready to breed --- I can't imagine why she's charging you this amount of money!!! Did this lady ask you if you were planning to breed her or is she going to spay her before she gives her to you? Did the actual breeder ask you if you plan on breeding her?

I don't recognize this name but it sounds like Sugar's Mom does so... I did find a listing for a male out of their kennel. Please take note of the purchase price. ALOT less than you're paying. Also, they no longer have a website - or is it that they never did? Some don't - I was just wondering.

*I'm sorry to say that I would ask for my deposit back and even go directly to the the original breeder and see what she may have available. I just don't get good vibes from what has already happened with this lady.

I don't understand this lady's thinking. Taking the dog to be with the neighbor's children for a couple of hours for couple of times does not socialize a dog. :rolleyes: My babies (1 & 2 yrs old) aren't around kids alot - but when they have been they totally love them. I think it would have been best to just let her come to you in the beginning and let your children interact with her. I don't know - it just seems odd.

Good Luck with whatever you decide to do. I hope it turns out right for you and your family.

Yorkshire Terrier Puppies for Sale: Chsirshowboy

By the way... I see you live in Texas - there are a bazillion good breeders in Texas!!! :thumbup: You're lucky to be so close to so many! I flew to TX to get my boy. I would have loved to live so close to his breeder and be able to go to see him while he grew up with his littermates. That's the ideal situation. Plus, it would give you and your family a chance to see which baby would fit in with your family the best.

Here's another puppy from that kennel. I can't get the website to open on my browser. Maybe someone else can check it out.

Yorkshire Terrier Puppies for Sale: Gorgeousboy

This is the baby. Puppyfind.com I can't begin to explain how devastated I am. She is listed again well she never took her off to begin with. Notice she states no children due to size?? She told me it was due to socialization issues. Just lie after lie. I was going to get her spayed as soon as she turned one. The breeder was upset by her reaction to me calling her and said she should have been the first one called to begin with and I totally agree with her. As she said she knows the pup, the parents, the g-parents and so on and nobody could advise me better than her. I have asked her to send me my deposit back and asked her to also send me the $35 I paid to get it to her, as she is the one backing out not me. Is this fair to ask? the breeder told me to call her when i want a puppy, I told her it will be a while before I am over this as it hurt me way too much. I told her I would give her a bad review and report my story to BBB so other people will know what she did to me. She sent me an e-mail stating she did not appreciate that I threaten to ruin her reputation as a good breeder to which I replied that I told her that I would tell everybody my story and if that ruined her reputation as a good breeder then maybe she did something wrong. I didn't tell her I would ruin her reputation I just told her I would tell my story so she would not hurt anybody like she hurt me. If anybody wants more info. on this feel free to pm me and I will go into further details with you. There is a lot more to this than what I posted. I think the listing was deleted but I am including a pic of the listing just in case.