Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2173161)

This was meant to be ONE post, but for some reason I get cut off...

If you have an option to add this male to your breeding program, is this male from someone you trust..a mentor..? IS he from a reputable breeder..I do not think so since you are asking for advise here... that concerns me..not that you are asking for advise, but the fact you have not given any insight as to what the breeder says about your plans...of course that is your business, but it helps sort this out.
Since the breeder did a close inbreeding and is willing to sell for breeding, I pretty much write this breeder off...harsh, but breeding is such a serious undertaking, we have to be hard on people..there is little room for error...we are dealing with a living creature..we place these puppies with unsuspecting pet lovers who can wind up with a pack of problems, that cost them a bundle at the vets and break their hearts...

There was a time NO one heard of liver shunt..then there was a close inbreeding and we started seeing it in litters traced to this breeding..now we all know about liver shunt. I think LS could have been kept buried deep in the genes if it was not for inbreeding..it was forced out..is this good or bad..I say, bad..we could have gone a life time with out it ever popping up, right?

You might say that is good to inbreed and force it out, but the problem is this...many breeders will never share the genetic problems in their lines..so you buy a puppy thinking all is well, and you are later faced with problems...lt is nothing to try and correct..you avoid it by S/N dogs who produce it..it is foolish to inbreed to see if shunts are in the line..it produces so much suffering for dog and owner..not worth it..avoid it..and that goes for any disease IMO..

I have no desire to inbreed to see if there are bad bites, bad knees, bad anything in my Yorkies..avoid as much as you can by breeding sound dogs to other sound dogs...not too close, outcrossing when necessary to Yorkies of like type to preserve type...
I wish you good luck..and please for give my screaming...! The only thing I ever scream about is the breed...it is all about preserving the breed.

PS..thanks Vee..you understand me so well...LOL

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2173059)

Can you allow me to rant once in a great while and forgive me...?? I rarely scream, but some times it keeps me from going insane...thanks for you understanding.

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2173066)

I do not understand your question...please rephrase it..

Originally Posted by jennylee333 (Post 2173252)

I am sorry, I was saying, basically, that there is NO possible way of ever being 100% sure that you are not producing something with some sort of deffect?

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 2173262)

From my understanding, no, there are no guarantees. The best that you could hope for is to try to breed sound dogs with other sound dogs and making sure you look at their lineage before hand as other experienced breeders have recommended on this thread. That way you increase your chance of healthy puppies.

Originally Posted by jennylee333 (Post 2173266)

BTW he is 2 years old and proven...

My original question was.........How will his offspring be affected from him being a product of inbreeding....

Originally Posted by jennylee333 (Post 2173252)

I am sorry, I was saying, basically, that there is NO possible way of ever being 100% sure that you are not producing something with some sort of deffect?

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2173316)

Okay let's say that a genetic defect is associated with a sex linked gene. As a product of an inbreeding he would than be homozygous recessive for that gene. Because it is a sex linked gene it is carried by the male but shown by the female. He is bred and his daughter now is affected by this genetic defect. Inbreeding may make him prepotent for some excellent qualities but it would also make him prepotent for any bad ones that was in his line as well.

Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2173383)

I wonder how many of these inbred puppies were used in breeding programs knowing the increased risk, but because they did have the ability to improve type, they decided to take the risk?

I know of a Springer Spaniel line that was producing Champions left and right, but later they were going blind at five years old. Even an ethical, experienced breeder could be producing a serious flaw for several years before they knew it.