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Breny 03-26-2010 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs (Post 3055840)
I looked at her website and didnt see 14 moms?? She has 7 with 3 future moms.

regardless of the amount of adults she has, she only has like 3 puppies available and a waiting list. She appears to be ethical on her website. :thumbup: keeps pups past 12 weeks, pups have limited registrations, invites people to visit, heath guarantee.....All of these seem to be on the up & up to me. If she was spitting out puppies left and right, there obviously would be more pups and no waiting list.

I think those who jump conclusions and finger point need to get their facts straight.
I agree!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: s**t I know friends who DON'T breed and have more than 10 !!! Just love dogs. How can a number make you a bad breeder??? :rolleyes: I hope my 3 doesn't make me bad!!!!:eek:

Cerise 03-30-2010 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2162267)
I haven't had any experience with her but I believe she is the daughter to Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies.

FYI...Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies is on the USDA puppymill list. hmmmm :hmmm33:

Cares4Dogs 03-30-2010 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3061673)
FYI...Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies is on the USDA puppymill list. hmmmm :hmmm33:
She does NOT have a puppy mill...There were some people here on YT that checked her out.

dmg1029 05-29-2010 03:29 PM
Leia came from Magnum. Teresa does a great job. I've had Leia for well over a year now and NO issues at all. I'll be more then happy to talk to any perspective folks.

Thanks.

mommy9 05-29-2010 03:40 PM
My Maddie came from Teresa at Magnum and she was WONDERFUL to deal with!! Maddie is VERY healthy and happy and gorgeous!! Maddie's picture is my avatar. I would definately buy another puppy from her..Maddie was shipped to me, and arrived in a really cute crate, all paperwork attached, and perfectly groomed. She gets 5 stars from me!

mommy9 05-29-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3061673)
FYI...Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies is on the USDA puppymill list. hmmmm :hmmm33:
Why is it that those that say "I will never breed", are THE most critical of breeders?? Breeding is NOT for the weak of heart!! It takes all your blood, sweat and tears..so, now will you leave this woman alone and stop gossiping??!!

YorkieRose 05-29-2010 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3061673)
FYI...Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies is on the USDA puppymill list. hmmmm :hmmm33:
There is actually a list entitled..USDA puppymills"?? I would like to see it.

ANother question...how many bitches are an exceptable number for a breeder to own?

yorkiegirl2 05-30-2010 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3061673)
FYI...Shirley Bovay of Fantasy Yorkies is on the USDA puppymill list. hmmmm :hmmm33:
FYI
Anyone owning more then 3 intacted females is required to register
through the USDA.
If you show your allowed 10.

I have known several who have bought dogs from Shirley and I have heard only good things about her and she only breeds Yorkies.
I have never seen one complaint or bad review against her.

I think most tend to go over board with lables when they see someone is USDA.
It's very unfair to lump all breeders who are USDA together because of the bad breeders.

We have a very well thought of show breeder on this forum who is also USDA registered.

I think it’s very important before one starts throwing out accusation about a breeder one needs to get facts straight.

I also detest seeing people lump all Missouri breeders together as being puppy mills breeders because of Missouri’s reputation.
As in all states there are good and bad breeders.

Elle 06-02-2010 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3146533)
FYI
Anyone owning more then 3 intacted females is required to register
through the USDA.
If you show your allowed 10.

I have known several who have bought dogs from Shirley and I have heard only good things about her and she only breeds Yorkies.
I have never seen one complaint or bad review against her.

I think most tend to go over board with lables when they see someone is USDA.
It's very unfair to lump all breeders who are USDA together because of the bad breeders.

We have a very well thought of show breeder on this forum who is also USDA registered.

I think it’s very important before one starts throwing out accusation about a breeder one needs to get facts straight.

I also detest seeing people lump all Missouri breeders together as being puppy mills breeders because of Missouri’s reputation.
As in all states there are good and bad breeders.
This is all news to me. I don't know any of it to be true. Doesn't the number of all the dogs you have matter? Breeding or not, it seems like caring for them should be the concern. But this doesn't make sense because someone could have one liter that puts them over.

Elle 06-02-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3146533)
FYI
Anyone owning more then 3 intacted females is required to register
through the USDA.
If you show your allowed 10.

I have known several who have bought dogs from Shirley and I have heard only good things about her and she only breeds Yorkies.
I have never seen one complaint or bad review against her.

I think most tend to go over board with lables when they see someone is USDA.
It's very unfair to lump all breeders who are USDA together because of the bad breeders.

We have a very well thought of show breeder on this forum who is also USDA registered.

I think it’s very important before one starts throwing out accusation about a breeder one needs to get facts straight.

I also detest seeing people lump all Missouri breeders together as being puppy mills breeders because of Missouri’s reputation.
As in all states there are good and bad breeders.


Who is the show breeder that you said is well thought of?

IMO I think it depends on if you are selling commercial or not. We each have our own ideas of ethics. It's okay to be real skeptic & ask questions from people when you want something from them. Getting a puppy from the right breeder is how people get the right companion. Too often times people sweep things under the rug for whatever reason. This results in heartache and financial hardship that wasn't necessary.

Animal Folks Minnesota

yorkiegirl2 06-02-2010 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3149924)
This is all news to me. I don't know any of it to be true. Doesn't the number of all the dogs you have matter? Breeding or not, it seems like caring for them should be the concern. But this doesn't make sense because someone could have one liter that puts them over.
Puppies do not count.
Any female 6 months of age (not spayed) counts as an intacted female.

Cerise 06-02-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mommy9 (Post 3146067)
Why is it that those that say "I will never breed", are THE most critical of breeders?? Breeding is NOT for the weak of heart!! It takes all your blood, sweat and tears..so, now will you leave this woman alone and stop gossiping??!!

Wow you're kind of late huh? :rolleyes:

Who's gossiping? :confused: I can't be critical?

Nope, I will never breed and as Yorkie owner and lover I have the right to be very critical and demand breeders to uphold ethics and breed for the betterment of the Yorkshire Terrier. There are to many below standard breeders out there that think they have it going on just because they have been doing it for years. I see Yorkies that are the results from poor breeding stock EVERYDAY :mad: Even worse is the fact that too many Yorkie purchasers don't even know what a QUALITY Yorkshire Terrier looks and acts like. Thank goodness I am not one of them and since I pay very close attention to details I will NEVER be! There are many Yorkie owners like me who can't stand the over breeding problems or seeing so many owners breeding their low quality pups with an entitlement attitude and reasons that are selfish and bothersome.

No...Breeding is NOT for the weak of heart, but by looking at all the years of errors in bogus non-reputable breeding practices it has become for the heartless when it comes to upholding high standards for the Yorkshire Terrier breed.

Cerise 06-02-2010 12:59 PM
Oh, and my comment above wasn't to refer to the breeder in this thread. It is to say that people who want the BEST for the Yorkshire Terrier breed have the right to investigate ANYONE who is calling themselves a breeder.

yorkiegirl2 06-02-2010 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3149963)
Who is the show breeder that you said is well thought of?

IMO I think it depends on if you are selling commercial or not. We each have our own ideas of ethics. It's okay to be real skeptic & ask questions from people when you want something from them. Getting a puppy from the right breeder is how people get the right companion. Too often times people sweep things under the rug for whatever reason. This results in heartache and financial hardship that wasn't necessary.

Animal Folks Minnesota
Not sweeping anything under the rug.
If the show breeder want to state who they are that is their business.

You seem to think that only commerical breeders own kennels, there are also big name show breeders who also owns kennels.

The Point is that anyone who buy from a home breeder or a kennel needs to do their homework to see how the dogs are treated and cared for.

Like I said there are good and bad breeders and just because someone is registered with USDA does not mean they are bad breeders.


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