Need advice from show breeders on male
 

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Attachment 231295 I need some advice this male <Chance> he champion sired he is 10in tall and10in long his Mom and Dad where 4lbs and 5 lbs he is 6 lbs I have seen his offsring when he was breed to a dark coated fm and to me they were beautiful the pics are at salliesyorkshires.com sugar/max buttons and bows are all his children but I have 3 male already, don't really need 4 but my males are small and tend to throw small pups, too small for show, I am worried about the leggs on this guy, I want to produce the pup that I can show on my on, could someone that is in show now, please look his offsping over and him and let me know would you breed him? or not? I really need elp from some of you pro's out there. to show is my dream but I must produce the right pup first, Please help thank you Denise

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Hi-

I went to the site, I have a few concerns. Does this woman show dogs, is this male a champion, or is she just talking about champions back from the early 1900's that she didn't have anything to do with? She says that "some of her lines" well, what about the rest of her lines?

Second, the dogs that were sired by this dog, and this dog have HUGE ears. Also, low tail sets, which is VERY difficult to breed out. I would never breed to a male with a low tail set, or want him as part of my breeding program. The color too doesn't seem consistant and you don't want silver/white pups, you can show them, but you will be wasting your money, not even the best of handlers could finish it.

Are there other breeders that you could find in your area that goes to shows that you could speak with?

Duncanmom

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I would like to see the pedigree..but just out of curiosity, since the breeder is selling him as a stud potential.
I feel he is too long and leggy, light in color to produce show pups..and he is too coarse in his features.. I would sell him as a pet to be neutered...JMO JMO

DO not lock yourself into a stud if you are hoping for show potential pups. GO and buy top of the line champion stud service with the best bitches you can get...and buy from a breeder who actually shows...the breeder has cute pets, but I see no show potentials or champions she has finished..pets do not produce show stock 99% of the time...harsh, but true. I can dance around this and waste your time and money ..or be honest, brutally honest I have been told...LOL GOOD LUCK

This male came from fire brands kennels she bought him 3 yrs ago, his dad is a finished champion, I would only brred himo a blk and gold fm witch I have, but what is a low tail set, as far as I can tell he holds is tail stait up when he walks is that wat you mean ? have so much to learn? and No I haven't met any breeders that show here that want to help me, I have met a few that want me to buy a puppy from them for 2500.00 and pay them 3-5000.00 to show the pup, But that is not wha I want to do, I want to show my own pup. Thats why I came here for help, I want to learn, I am willing to take any advice that anyone will be so kind as to give to help me know what to look for, Sallie told me she did showher dogs at one time, But I don't know how long ago that was? Could you give me more details on low tail set please? And I realy want to handle my own dogs as well, at least at first but I have to breed the right yorkie first and formost, I may sound nuts to you, I am sorry if I do, But I want to breed my own line I know I can and it may take me 10 more yrs of breeding to do it but that why My hope is to get the right advice on the males I use, Chipper is the male I have used for 2yrs now but all rthe pups I try to keep end up too small to show,Baily is 2nd male but he has just now sired I litter for me 3 weeks old way too young to ascess yet, I would love your help if you don't mind. thank you so much, Denise:)

I would like to thank you so very much for your advice, I will try to find some that will do this, that has been vey hard to find in n.c do you know of anyone in my area that you would trust that would help me like that, I don't mind signing a contract or what ever it takes just want a chance but so many wil lie to you just to sell a dog I feelthat is what has happened here, so If you could lead me in the right direction I would be so greatful. Thank you so much for your time,Densie and I want you to be honest I admire that and need the truth, Don't worry about hurting my feelings I know what I am striving for and will take any advice I can get.

I hope this doesnt come across the wrong way because this is not my intent.

Sometimes you need to start with a dog/bitch outside of your line, prove his/her worthiness to breed via a conformation title and only when that has been attained use them in your breeding program. A conformation title is more than 2 letters before the dogs registered name, it is a consensus by breed professionals that your dog conforms to the breed standard set forth and is a good representation of the breed.

Just because a dog is CH sired does not make it CH quality. A dog that is not CH quality is unlikely to throw pups that will succeed in the ring. If you want to produce quality dogs you need to stop breeding pets.

I think it would be a great idea to go to a few shows and talk to breeders in the ring. Tell them what your goals are and that you would like to start breeding to improve the breed. Ask them to evaluate your breeding stock and listen unbiasedly to what they say. If you follow their advice I have no doubt you will attain your goal.

Best of luck to you. This sounds like something you are really passionate about.

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I do have some shows near me, How do I find a list of when they are being held? akc.org? or is there somewhere elese on the net I should go to find shows in n.c I have googled this but no help, Thanks so much for your help, Hope I can run into one of you nice people there, I really am greatful for all your help. god bless you all, Denise:)

Go to the AKC website and click on Events and Award Search. In the menu click on your state, select "conformation events" and specify the time frame for the past 12 months it will show you a list of all of the shows in NC. You can click on each show, scroll down to the Toy group and click on the hyperlink--this opens up all of the breeds in the group. Click on Yorkshire Terriers from there and you can see all of the dogs entered there.

I would look up the kennel names on each one and do an investigation. You can also post here about lines you have questions about. Once you find a line you are interested in go and meet that breeder at a show or at their home. I would focus on building a reputation with them before you start really talking about a dog.

Another thing you might want to consider is talking to some of the well known handlers. You are still going to have to build that repoire with them but they may have access to lines that the individual consumer wouldnt necessarily.

Best of luck again!

Ooh..our posts crossed :)

Infodog.com is a great place to go to find upcomming shows. You can also search by state. In the list of shows you want to concentrate on ones that say AB (all breed) in the "Type" column--it can be a bit confusing and you dont want to travel out to a field trial by mistake! ;)

Hi Pat, don't want to steal this thread, but did want to ask you to elaborate on finding top of the line champion stud service. I am not in a position to buy a stud right now. and I have my males nuetered now because I didn't feel they were of good enough quality to produce a show quality dog. That being said, I think Rainbow is good enough quality. My females are all spayed now too except for Rainbow, so I am looking for top od the line champion stud service. I had found one that I was going to breed Rainbow with on her next heat, but he was sold, so now I am looking for a stud (service) to breed her to on her next heat which should be around October. Doing a search online, all I find a mediocre pet quality studs being offered. I don't live close enough to any shows to be able to go to them consistantly, although if I do decide to show Rainbow, I will have to go out of town (actually totally out of my area) to shows. The first time I bred Sunshine (Rainbow's mom) I used a stud from a show breeder here in California about 4 hours away from me. I don't particularly care for this breeder or her practices so I don't want to use her again. Plus she would NOT allow me to pay a stud fee, she wanted pick of the litter only even if only 1 puppy was produced. So how would I go about finding a top of the line champion stud service. Rainbow (and her mom Sunshine) have fairly nice pedigrees and champions in the first 3 generations.

Thankyou so much! and you can steal the thread if you would like I don't mind, pat you are a nice person to help me as you have thanks again so very much. Blessings D:):thumbup:enise

denise, go here United Kennel Club: Upcoming Events. i show UKc and love it and there are always lots of UKC shows in your area. it is a great place for beginners to start. Everyone iss so nice and helpful.

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I could refer you to several on the east coast, but I am not familiar with west coast show breeders...I realize we do not all live in areas where there are show breeders...and that makes it hard.

I would not deal with a breeder who asks for a puppy back..none have ever asked me for one.
PS...Dee has a good Idea...

east coast is fine. I agree, I really did not want to give a puppy back. I mean, part of the reason for breeding with a quality dog is to show my own. why would I want to give it to the stud owner? I would appreciate the referral.

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