Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992078)

if I may add
this is what breeding is all about

Miracle as a 5 day old puppy with no hair and having no chance of living
Yorkiepassion news - updates - upcoming litters

to this thriving sweet girl at almost 6 months old!

countless sleep deprived nights and days go into raising a happy health litter...and if you dont know how to do it then perhaps you should think twice about attacking those who do spend countless hours on the phone helping these people in need OFF LINE, selfishly day or in the middle of the night in hope they help save a puppys life!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1991524)

IMHO the breeders section is flooded with controversy often times, non breeders posting their opinions (everyone has an opinion) but what one needs to think about is the advice you are giving is not by experience but from what youve read...I would hate to see a non breeder give the wrong advice and a novice to follow it! that kind of reckless post could compromise the health of the bitch or her offspring.

Many experienced breeder post less and less because of the constant bitch fest ... 9 times out of 10 the novice will do as they wish not listening to the experienced breeder. Often time you will read the nonbreeder chastising the experienced breeder because of posting in a blantant tone or posting in a unkind manner, then the advice to the OP falls on deaf ears and the breeder appears to be the bad guy....

Please walk in our shoes and feel the frustration and pain breeders go though reading posts like "my girl is 3 lbs and want to have a litter" or "I have a pregnant mom do anytime WHAT DO I DO" or "should I breed my chi to my yorkie" or the best "I want to have one litter because my puppy is so cute" sometimes there is no other way to post but from the heart and FROM EXPERIENCE! I think most try to be kind but the frustration mounts when the nonexperienced breeders involve themself.

Originally Posted by myjordash (Post 1992091)

I do understand and appreciate you and all the other "experienced breeders" here, and I hope you don't think my post was intended to insult you.

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992294)

I don't know how it was taken by the recipient, but I didn't see anyting insulting in your post. I do not see the unreasonableness in your suggestion--if you are frustrated with the type of questions being asked, simply post at length where you can do good, and don't post or place a link on the others.

As in the other threads on this subject, it seems like the point is being missed. No one is asking anyone to "sugar-coat" a subject, or be untruthful about dangers. All anyone is asking for is common courtesy.

I believe I will bow out of this discussion. It was a friendly conversation, but in the last page or so there have been a couple of responses that seem to be headed down that oh-so-familiar path of closure. I'd like to be out of here before that happens. lol Everyone have a great weekend! :)

p.s. Lee, thank you so much for the info on your Yorkie room. I also apologize to everyone else for that question; after I posted I realized that I should have pm'd it instead.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992321)

see once again who said I was insulted nor did I imply I am or was insulted! where does it read or appear to sound confrontational? NO WHERE! I have helped all I can in this forum and I for one am over the hibitual road that leads to nowhere!!

nice meeting you all I wish you all the best!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1991924)

this kind of post is the reason breeders have stopped posting!
once again it appears the breeder is always the bad guy and the NON BREEDER that posts an opinion is just fine...suggesting to post a link, most dont read it or just glance it...how in the world is anyone going to learn.

Think about this...a breeder posts the reason why or why not to do something and just because a non breeder doesnt like the tone of which it was written the thread becomes a bitch fest. The non breeder has no place on this kind of thread and so the bitch fest begins.

Did anyones parents or college professor say just because you got an F in a subject "better luck next time" NO! It takes study to understand any breed and study to know how to whelp and raise them, I believe most new breeders are just too darn lazy or niave (thinking this is so simple) why study its mother nature, then panic when it comes time to whelp a litter quickly realizing they know nothing!

How about a breeder that knows nothing and loses their first litter simply because they didnt know the puppy can NOT regulate its own heat for the first three weeks of their precious life! Or what about the new breeder that loses a puppy on whelp because they let the mom do it unsupervised riped out the cord and ate through the stomach killing the otherwise healthy puppy. WHat about the new breeder that finds the moms whelping outside, bring her in for a bath and bathes in a medicated flea shampoo only to lose the entire litter because of the toxic shampoo residue.

NON breeders post sorry for your loss, where breeders are here it stop this kind of preventable accident not to placate the unaware but to teach them...

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992340)

:confused::confused::confused: I guess I have inadvertently offended you. I was responding to the quote I used where the person said that their intention was not to offend. Since I wasn't the one the post was intended for, I made sure to acknowledge that I can't say how it was received. I felt it would have been presumptous otherwise for me to say that it wasn't offensive. Then I stated my opinion that it wasn't offensive, in an effort to reassure her since she was apparently concerned.

I did not mean to imply that you were insulted, nor did I say that any of your posts were confrontational. I don't think I have responded to any of your posts in this thread, or if I did I don't remember it.

I know I said I am out of this thread. I felt, though, that I should reply here since there obviously was offense taken at my post. Again, I am not sure what in my post indicated that I thought you were confrontational. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992406)

EXCUSE me!! you quote a post directed at me...and state the last couple pages are confrontational, which just so happens that is when I began to post on this thread!! This thread was peaceful until you posted~!

I am over this place I have helped as many as I can and all of us breeder just suffer with all the back lash and grief from all of you taking things out of context and making something out of NOTHING!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1992485)

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me! :D

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1990655)

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992493)

NOPE im done helping and let the NONbreeder get involved in something that has NOTHING to do with her!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992484)

and you and a few others is why I bid farewell to the breeders section just as many other breeders have...! you have no experience in breeding but yet you are your friend start "the why be rude or confrontational posts" almost every single time.

DONT ASSUME! and yes I do mean to use caps!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1992485)

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me! :D

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1992515)

Bakers Dozen~

I probably have you confused with someone else...but didn't you use to breed, just not Yorkies?? Or do I have this totally wrong? This is quite possible since I seem to be having an extra blonde day.

Anyway, I always enjoy reading your posts...you seem to have a knack of writing in such a pleasant tone. :)

Tammy

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992508)

I hope so. I really did not intend to inspire such hatred.

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1991378)

You should post what you've been through with Breeding Yorkies good and bad, this is how other people can learn. From what others go through.

You have a good point there...It's true. Hope u have a great weekend. :) Lee

Originally Posted by myjordash (Post 1991954)

But what I am understanding is that the EXPERIENCED breeders have left, and are no longer posting in this section BECAUSE of the inexperienced breeders coming here, asking questions without doing the proper research. So if the EXPERIENCED breeders are going to stop posting all together, I am just saying, why not just post to the one's that you feel you can help, and not to the naive "what if" questions. If you are not going to be able to prevent someone from breeding "their cute pup" or "mix breed" why waste your time convincing them not to, which usually goes to a deaf ear, and then the person who really needs your help, will not get it because the "experienced breeders" got too frustrated and stopped posting.

P.S. I am going to stop posting, because my intent was NOT to offend you further.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992539)

I have no time or energy for hatred it simply isnt in my vocabulary so once again you are assuming!

Originally Posted by Sunnie (Post 1992546)

Thank you Lee. I try to be an INFORMATIVE positive poster. We can usually tell by the tone of the OP asking the questions whether they have an idea of what breeding entails. Sadly, many of them don't. But we cannot ASSUME they don't either. All we really can do is TRY to help guide them to what is the best thing to do in thier situation. And it CAN be done in a pleasant informative manner. If we get thier defenses up right away, they are NEVER going to listen to good advice. I do believe that a BIG MAJORITY of "potential" first time breeders, really are looking for good honest information. Why can we not answer questions honestly without telling everyone who asks that it is not a good idea to breed. I can't count the times I have seen people say to someone who asks about breeding thier "teacup", You are going to kill your baby! You can't breed a yorkie that small!Have they been tested?? How big is the mom and dad? Have you studied the genetics? have you this? Have you that? All asked by someone who has NEVER whelped a litter at all. Or has no book-smarts (book-smarts is good too!) about it either. These are the questions that should be tactfully asked by one of the experienced breeders in my opinion... not by someone who has never been thru it or by someone who has not studied it, like a vet tech, etc. If I hadn't been thru it, I would be saying, well, you know.. I am glad you are here to ask questions and in my opinion I think maybe your baby might be too small to breed, but please stick around and allow someone with experience to help you. Can you imagine the hard feelings that would never happen if that was the response. The OP would be more receptive to listen to an experienced breeder. I realize everyone isn't ME.. and we all have our own way of talking.. but we are doing a dis-service to our breed if we cannot educate without causing hard feelings.. I have seen so many "new to breeding" ""breeders"" go away mad and still uneducated and still determined to breed because they have lost the big picture and are now in defense "I will show you" mode.

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1992549)

You have totally misunderstood. The experienced and I mean experienced breeders have not stopped posting here because of the new breeders or inexperienced breeders. It is because when we do post, we are undermined by those that have never bred a litter and have no intention of doing so. I spoke to a new girl on here last night that lost almost an entire litter and a lot of it was because of bad advice she was given on here before any of us could get to her.

Originally Posted by ranant12 (Post 1991495)

I am new here. I am also new to breeding yorkshire terriers. However, my mother breed champion Cocker spaniels most of my life and I've had tons of experience with those dogs whelping, have spent uncountable hours bottle feeding puppies round the clock, and feel like I am pretty knowledgable about potential problems in breeding.

I came here to learn as much as possible about the ins and outs of breeding yorkshire terriers. I actually read many, many posts here as a guest before I joined and before I breed my Diva. I have read books, spent hours talking over whether or not I should do it with Diva's breeder and drove my vet crazy in the last year asking him questions.

I did not go into breeding uneducated, and uniformed. This being said, after reading here for a while, I got the feeling that anyone that was not an "experienced breeder", that was not "showing" their dogs, etc., was automatically labeled a backyard breeder. It took me a lot of time to realize the reason behind the way some of the more experienced breeders were coming across. I now understand after reading some of the posts from the "new" people who come here with absolutely no prior breeding knowledge, most of whom did not even know enough about a heat cycle to know when to breed their dog, why the experienced breeders get so upset.

If you've committed your life and heart to breeding these precious dogs and have researched countless hours the ins and outs of breeding, I can see how posts like Olive's would rub your nerves wrong.

I Posted for the first time on here expecting the worst and prepared to be told when I am doing something wrong. I came here to further my education, not be petted and pampered. I have taught school for 14 years and have no problem correcting students for doing things that are dangerous and irresponsible. I understand when an experienced breeder feels the need to tell me when I'm doing something dangerous and irresponsible.

Different people have different ways of telling you things. Some people have really nice ways and others are blunt and to the point.

I don't know how to solve the issues here, but I for one am so glad to be able to come here and get "honest", to the point, advice. To all, I say thank you. To the nicest ones, I say thanks for being kind. To the blunt people, I say, I understand where you are coming from.

Originally Posted by sheilajom (Post 1992582)

I think there should be a special indicator/icon or something that is next to your name that indicates that you are a breeder. That way people will know who are breeders and who are not. Maybe YT can arrange something like this, something similar to having it state that you are a donating member or not.

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992588)

That would be helpful. I wonder if we would then run into those logistical problems...like, what exactly is a breeder? Is it a person who has whelped one litter?

Originally Posted by sheilajom (Post 1992606)

I'm not a breeder, so they could probably answer that better. I just felt the need to offer a possible solution to all the contraversy. IMO it would be someone who is actively breeding, someone who has experience (not a first litter), someone who has dogs specifically for that purpose (not someone who has one dog and they happen to get preggy), someone who is AKC or ARBA registered. I'm sure there could be other requirements, but that would be what I consider to be a breeder. Again, this is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by sheilajom (Post 1992635)

I just don't think all this "discussion" has any purpose if they people complaining are not offering a reasonable solution to the problem. You can't forbid people from posting, nor should you try to, but having a way to identify your credentials would be a viable solution to everyone's concern. Everyone would still get to voice opinions, but the "real" breeders would be readily identifiable by all. That way they still get the respect that they deserve and newbies still get to learn.