Parti yorkie breeding genetics?
 

I have just purchased a female party yorkie. Her father is a full parti yorkie and mother is just a standard not parti carrier. Do you think it would be possible to breed my standard yorkie to my female parti yorkie and have a parti yorkie puppy become of it? Also not sure if anyone knows my male yorkie is CKC and parti is AKC is there away i can register there puppies?

I can't help you with whether or not you would get a parti.. BUT the odds are good... as far as registeriung.. you could not register them AKC unless BOTH mom and dad are AKC

I have heard you can only register parti yorkies as akc? Have you heard anything about that?

Both parents have to be AKC registered to register a litter AKC.

If your girl is a parti carrier, then if bred to a standard yorkie (non carrier) she will produce all standard-color puppies. The majority will be standard yorkies that do not carry the parti gene, but a small amount could be parti carriers but will look like standard yorkies.

I am not sure that I am reading this correctly. You say that your female is a parti color, along with her father...however, you say that the dam is a traditonal that is NOT a carrier. :confused: Is this what you meant to write?? It's not possible to produce a full parti unless the mom were to be a carrier or full parti. Also, no it's not possible to breed a parti to a traditional (unless they carry the piebald gene) and get the tri color...they would just create carriers. You also asked about registering them...you will not be able to register these puppies with AKC because the male is CKC.

Tammy

I'm not real sure if I understand what color your female pup is? From what you are saying, Parti sire bred to a non parti carrier mom would make your girl a parti carrier (not a parti). Or is your girl parti colored? If she is tri colored, than her dam has to be a parti carrier.

In order to get the parti coloring, both mother and father have to each pass on 1 parti gene to the pup.

It would be very unlikely for a parti who is bred to a standard, to produce a parti pup unless the standard parent was actually a parti carrier.

You may be able to double register you AKC yorkie with CKC and register her pups with CKC when breeding to your CKC stud.

thats kinda what i thought that the mother and father both have to have the gene somehow in them. The puppy i bought is indead a (full) Parti (not jsut the carrier of the gene). The mother of the puppy must of had it in here genes somewhere. The previous owner said the female was just a standard but like i said she had to be a carrier. So if i breed a parti carrier to my parti i think i read that i will have some full parti and some parti carriers is that correct. If so i might want to invest and work on getting another parti yorkie. I want to thank ya'll for helping me figure this one out lol.

Erin

genetics can be pretty crazy and complicated LOL If you have a full parti and breed to a non-carrier standard, you will get all parti carriers (so they will look like standard yorkies but carry the parti gene). If you breed a full parti to a parti carrier, you will get some full partis and some parti carriers.

Just would like to add a break down on odds of getting parti colored puppies. Both parents must at LEAST be carriers to get a parti pup. If you breed a parti to a carrier 1/2 the pups will be partis and the other 1/2 will be carrires. If you breed a parti to a standard yorkie ALL the puppies will be carriers but none will be actual partis. If you breed a carrier to a standard yorkie 1/2 the pups will be carriers and the other 1/2 will be non carriers (standard), although theres no way of knowing who is a carrier other than further breeding to find out (but carrier pups do tend to have a lot more white on them at birth). And of course if you breed a parti to a parti all the pups will be partis. I hope I explained this to where its not more confusing.

yes that was explained very well now the second hardest part is to find a parti male that is not 4,000.00 if you know what i mean lol.

apri versus akc
 

K maybe you can answer this. There is a parti yorkie that is apri registered and mine is akc would you hold off and get another akc. Supposibly i could register the pups when they are to have them under apri but not sure if i really want to go apri. Is apri legitimate and/ or worth having would that be more down grading?

To be honest with you, most people are looking for AKC registered parti's. You'd be better off finding a nice ACK parti carrier male - average price now seems to be about 1500.00 for a carrier male, some are a little less and some a bit more.

Question
 

Does anyone know the odds of a litter?

Dam- Blonde (carries chocolate)
Sire-Parti (carries chocolate Parti)

Still confused on the outcome. Does this mean they could have chocolates, blondes, or blonde partis?

Dam does not carry parti so there will be no parti offspring (recessive gene).

Sire does not carry blonde (ee) so there will be no blonde (ee) offspring (recessive gene).

You can get chocolates and traditionals, some of the pups who are traditional colored will carry for chocolate. All the pups will carry for both parti and blonde.

I noticed your name is Texas teacups. You do know there is no such thing as a teacup and it was made up by bad breeders. If that is the name of your breeding I would look at changing it so you are not automatically associated as a bad breeder. I also hope your not breeding for tiny pups. Honestly you should only be breeding dogs that are not with a color fault like not chocolates or Golden’s.

Didn't ask for your input or opinion about my name or my breeding choices.

Thanks though! 😂

I looked at what I’m guessing is your website and it looks like you are trying to sell teacups which don’t exist which is a shame you are taking people for their money and breeding under size dogs to get tiny dogs you can sell for ridiculous amounts of money. Whether you asked for my opinion or not I am going to give it because I have a HUGE issue with bad breeders! That is what is destroying the breed most of us here love so much.

And not breeding dog with color faults? Partis are gorgeous and agencies recognize them as purebred and not "faulty" so why can't you? If you don't own one, you can't really judge those that do. I personally do not want a traditional. I enjoy the variety and beauty my partis have. They are just as good as your dogs and for you to think they aren't, maybe you don't have a love for all Yorkies like you should. How dare you comment useless information like you are someone and judge me on my choice in dogs. And I could care less if you don't like my name. Go police the others who use the word teacup...but I'm sure if you Did they could care less too.

I don't breed for size, but all my babies chart to be 3 pounds. If that isn't a teacup, what is. In my eyes if an adult weighs 2 pounds or 3 pounds like mine...they are teacups.

Now that that's settled, enjoy your traditional colors, and know that all Yorkies are BEAUTIFUL no matter their color. And if they are different colors they are no less that yours. I'm a brunette, and I couldn't imagine saying blondes were not worthy to produce offspring because they aren't brunette..but that's what you just said about my babies and everyone else who enjoys the color variations. ��

Hmm #allyorkiesmatter anyone?

I don't have a website thanks.

Anyone that knows the yorkie breed knows there is one kind of yorkie, and that is a "standard" yorkie whose weight should be no more the 7 pounds, a toy breed, not like poodles where you have teacup, toy, mini and standard. If your pups are 3 pounds they are yorkies, not "teacup". And please loose the attitude, this is not FB or craigslist. This is a respectful community forum were respect is given, and opinions are given Whether you asked for them or not. "If" you are a breeder you should know the correct term is yorkie, not "teacup" even if that is what "your eyes see" . By using the term teacup you are suggesting you breed for smaller then standard yorkies which ethical breeders do not breed for. That is my opinion which I am entitled to.

If you read my post you would see I said chocolates and blondes not partis. In the world of Yorkies chocolate and blonde are considered color faults. That does not mean the dog is not cute or a great dog it is just considered a color fault. In order to continuously get tiny pups you are having to breed females under 5 pounds and that is extremely dangerous and shows no care for the female by risking her life. The Yorkies standard is not to exceed 7 pounds there for tiny Yorkies are still standard Yorkies so again there is no such thing as a teacup Yorkie.

There is a Texas teacups website so I would find it hard not to think that is yours if not you might be infringing on another breeder if that is your breeding name.

the information on poodles is false sorry just wanted to point that out no breed is categorized as teacup. Poodles in the US come in 3 sizes Toy, Miniature, and Standard which are all determined on height solely there is no weight charting for the breed. Toys are 10 inches and under while Minatures are 11-15 inches and Standards are over 15inches and have no limit on height.

I understand completely where you are coming from while teacup is technically an incorrect term how else are you supposed to explain how tiny your dogs really are. I have an adult male Maltese he's barely 2 pounds and it's hard to explain to people how tiny he really is because if you say he's tiny people automatically think about their aunts 7 pound "tiny" dog it's not until they see him in person do they truly realize how tiny he really is on occasion I've given up and used the term teacup and then it's like an instant lightbulb goes off and people understand how tiny he is. The problem is with the toy category while ideally a yorkie shouldn't be larger than 7 pounds they come in so many sizes from 1-16 pounds and the problem is everyone thinks their yorkie is small or tiny even the oversized ones will swear their dogs are just so small. People have been using the term teacup for so long AKC might as well just make teacup an official size category for the 1-4 pound size dogs.

There is no excuse for the word teacup it is only used by bad breeders. Most reputable breeders occasionally have tiny pups but most are average size Yorkies so there is no need for the word. If someone can’t understand a pup that’s 2 pounds is tiny that’s on them not you. The word is not good and associates you with bad breeding. People who breed for these tiny “teacup” dogs use females that are under 5 pounds and risk their lives. It’s not just a word to those of us who are serious about and love this breed. Talk to some reputable breeders and they to will show hatred for the word and refuse to be associated with it. The standard is not to exceed 7 pounds so any dog 7 pounds and under is standard. People just want to throw teacup out there toget more money and sell quicker.

Just because standard says a yorkie is not to exceed 7 pounds doesn't mean anything there are tons of over sized yorkies and if you ask their owners they will tell you their yorkie is small or tiny. It also doesn't help that Europe tends to breed dogs on the larger scale according to their standards perfect example Europe's ideal size for Maltese a toy breed also is 8-10 pounds while in the US the ideal size is 4-6 pounds. Huge differences such as these affect the breed especially when people import to introduce new bloodlines. This is happening with most if not all breed clubs all have what they think is ideal for a breed and when people import it causes a large variation within the breed. So if using the term teacup which is just a word to describe the size of a puppy or dog is wrong but saying a dog is tiny is better please explain the difference because I don't understand it both literally mean the same thing. IMO people put to much emphasis on a word it's not the word that should be negative it's the practice breeders are using that should determine whether they are BYB or reputable. As a breeder myself I see no harm in using occasionally teacup as a descriptive word to help people understand the size of course I'm not telling people this is a category I'm just describing the size the breed is a toy breed and therefore should be small anyway so saying a puppy will be small or tiny most people think well of course it's going to be small it's a yorkie so using other words to give them idea of the size is helpful especially if they are in another state and can't personally see the size of the dog your describing and pictures and videos don't really help show size even when use objects as a reference. As for the price point I have seen reputable breeders sell puppies who are going to be on the smaller size for more with the excuse they are more high maintenance and they want to be sure the family is not only capable of caring for the puppy but also financially capable of caring for the puppy and it's needs. While at the time I have seen people on here admit it's ok for breeders to charge more colors. Why is ok for reputable breeders to charge more based on color but not size? Both are superficial correct? The same health cleared titled parents produce these puppies yet one is priced way higher just because it's color might be better and that's fine but if 1 puppy is smaller than the other and to charge more for that smaller puppy would be wrong for what reason? Unlike color size does/can affect the health of a puppy and everyone knows the smaller the dog the higher maintenance the dog is so following this I would hope they would charge a higher price to ensure the buyer is capable of handling anything that might happen.

You will not find a reputable breeder that wil associate themselves with that word period. No good breeder would use it. My point is there is no need to have a different name for tiny Yorkies because they fit the standard. Mine are all above standard and small to but I realize how small a 3 pound dog is. Sometimes reputable breeders might charge more for small but most don’t that generally done by bad breeders and puppy mills. No reputable breeder would sale dog a dog with a color fault for more money either in fact most would go less exspecially a show breeder because it is a fault and isn’t bred for on purpose. If you really knew how much that word has destroyed our loved breed and what terrible things go to create those little ones you wouldn’t support it. I stand strong that it is a terrible word that destroyed our breed and that puppy mills and bad breeders stand behind it simply to make money. In order to be thought of as a reputable breeder besides all the other stuff that needs to be done then you will not use the word plain and simple.

Please explain how a WORD destroyed a breed? Actions and poor judgment destroyed the breed. Teacup is solely a descriptive word. And not all tiny or teacup dogs are poorly breed it's completely possible for 4 and 5 pound dogs to produce 2-3 pound puppies. If you want to put that much emphasis on a word then go ahead. Whatever words I use to describe my dogs doesn't take away from their amazing lines and hard earned titles or health clearances. Some breeders are too old school and up tight and really need to loosen up.

Most reputable breeders price their pups by how closely they meet the AKC/YTCA standard for the breed. They generally advertise their pups by weight as there is no other standard than “under 7 pounds”. Color, stature, weight are all determined by the “standard for the breed”. Pups that are “off standard” are price accordingly. The general rule (by reputable breeders) is that any female under 5 pounds is a great risk to breed and therefore is a risk to the life of the bitch and puppies, and is not considered an ethical action.

Breeders that have pups that vary greatly from the standard will not give breeding rights as the ultimate goal is to improve the breed with every litter, not to make money, and not to perpetuate an unsatisfactory trait be it off color, size or health risk.

In this day and age most reputable breeders will give a buyer a copy of the DNA and lab tests as well as a health agreement at the time of the sale.

Again, the goal is to improve the breed in every way! The pups you see in the shows are examples of those standards. We are constantly trying to educate the public so that the breed is healthy and good examples of the breed.

You will see very good breeders looking toward darker colors that fall within the standard because that is what they like the most — I have heard judges do on and on about varying colors as well.

I got my Yorkie who always being shown, and doing quite well, because the experience breeder could tell she was going to be too small to breed, although her coat and top line etc were wonderful.