That's very nice of you to do so :). I never would have thought that people would PM someone in such a way. At some point, isn't that harassment? Maybe this will be a thread where some will take a look at themselves and their posts. People need to think of the welfare of the dogs and not their own personal feelings and check their attitudes. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

i have read where both AKC and CKC both call them tiny toy breed...if under 5 pounds you cant show them though....standard is 5-7....but both say " no such thing as ""teacup""....just a term some breeders use to describe there yorkies that are expected to stay under 4 lb.s

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I know this. I told her that.

I disagree. When I got Bella I felt a little guilty about how much I paid for her so we thought we would breed her just once to offset some of the costs and keep one for ourselves. I was naive, we figured dogs/animals breed all of the time in the wild so what's the big deal right? Well, after reading lots of posts on this site and learning so much I've since changed my mind. I didn't realize the possible dangers of breeding a small dog. I would die if something happened to Bella! She's more important to me than offsetting her costs. Also, I've come to realize how important it is to maintain a certain standard in breeding. I've learned all of this by reading others posts which I really appreciate. But I have to say, had I come to this site and asked for advise and was attacked as I've seen others attacked I would have left the site and not returned and probably would still be planning on breeding her. I've learned a lot over time. When I read the ones that are attacking I basically gloss over them, I don't "listen" because I'm too busy focusing on the tone of the reply. It's ok to disagree with someone and caution them on things they may want to do, just do it nicely. Most people don't have bad intentions, I didn't. We just need to be educated but we don't learn from people who talk down to us, judge us or attack us - we tune them out.

What a nice experience! Shows that people learn from tactful education. I think it is very much normal to be able to respond well to kind counsel. For the most part, even the most rude comments on here are bring out correct points. It is a shame that the good information is presented in such a way as to almost ensure no one listens.

Look at those cages! :eek: http://www.queenyorkies-palace.com/i...o_we_are21.jpg

:confused: Many people use crates or pens like these for their babies when they are not out playing (like when we're at work, and for training, etc.) The presence of cages doesn't worry me. (Different story if the dogs were in them ALL the time).

But this is a breeder's house. That's different. That's no better than a pet store.

I am not sure if I would be too quick to judge this breeder.. and I will admit I didn't look at every photo... but this facility looks rather clean and well run to me.. NO.. it isn't the same as someone raising one or two yorkies in thier home, but I don't know that I would call this a puppymill either. It you look at THIS link, you can see more photos..
Index of /images

When I bred Sunshine with a show breeder's dog, she had several in her home loose, but also had crates such as these in an indoor garage converted to a kennel... very clean.. heated/air conditioned/ with a play area... and the door opened to the family room. and of course the females in heat and ready to whelp were in thier own seperate crates and the breeding males were in thier own seperate crates.. not mistreated.. NOT caged up 24/7... I would have to look at all the photos before saying this is not a good breeder

The mother of my girl was 4 pounds and she had 4 healthy puppies.

I would talk to your vet.

I wish you luck!

from looking at more pics, it looks like puppies that are weaned are in the crates.. we bring home a new puppy and WE crate train.. so what is the difference. They appear to be well cared for.. in CLEAN crates.. they would NOT be clean if they were in them 24/7..

I can't believe YT'rs called this new member's home to say that she was going to kill her baby if she bred her. What some (perhaps well intended) people miss is that by attacking someone like this they only succeed in making the attacker look like a nutcase.

How rude and invasive! Since my short time in this forum I have seen this happen way too many times. No matter how much we may disagree with someone, a controlled and pollite reply goes much further than a rude one.

Kindly educating this person would have done more positive things than attacking her.

Shame on whoever did this!

OMG! That is totally uncalled for... someone should be very ashamed of themselves.

Right. I would find it very strange if a breeder did NOT have some method of training and restraining their dogs. I see no reason to condemn a breeder for doing the same thing owners do. It's not wrong to crate or pen a dog. (Like you, I feel differently about doing so 24 hours a day) Nor do I feel it is wrong to have a room of the house for a breeder's dogs. I don't even think it's wrong to have a separate outside building (properly heated/cooled, with play area, nice, etc.). Again, as long as they are allowed plenty of time to play loose and with plenty of socialization.

The OP has not reposted at all in some time. I think closing this thread would be advised.

Not surprisingly, the OP is no longer a member. You're right, closure is a good suggestion.

When will people realize that reputable breeders don't have so many Yorkies that they have to crate like that? There are WAY better ways! As I said before, that picture looks like a pet store. I am not "crucifying" the breeder, but I wouldn't buy a pet from them. I am knowledgeable enough now on the practices to know better. If you buy from a less than desirable place, you will get a less than desirable representation of the breed. Simple as that.

Why? What's wrong with a friendly discussion?

I'm one of "those" that doesn't believe in the whole outside building. Pets should be kept in the home with their owner/breeder. I don't care how clean it is. That is breeding for pure profit. But, that's MHO.

Now THAT I don't agree with! I wonder how they got her number. :confused:

They PM'd her and told her that....they didn't call her.:aimeeyork

Even if you only have 2 females, there will be times you need to separate them, for many reasons. I am not going to condemn anyone for using a crate or pen to do that. I think I made it clear that I am not referring to cages 24/7. It is certainly your right to make a decision not to purchase from a breeder who uses crates or pens. But the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean they are producing a 'less than desirable representation of the breed.' Method of training and separation has nothing to do with the the resulting appearance or health of the puppy.

I certainly do respect your opinion, and there's nothing at all wrong with it. Not everyone has the same opinion--even knowledgeable people will have differing opinions.

You're right in the we have different opinions. ;) Good luck finding a Yorkie! :aimeeyork

I don't see the correlation between an outside building and breeding for profit. :confused: Anyway, I don't view it as different than having them sleep in a room to themselves. For example, my guys sleep baby-gated in the kitchen. (They used to sleep with me, but since I married hubby is not quite the dog-lover that I am. :rolleyes:) They snore the whole night, and I don't see them at all until we get up in the morning. As far as their care is concerned, it wouldn't matter if they slept in a different building (again assuming a nice one). They would be out with me during the day, just like they are now.

Now, I am not here defending hundreds of dogs in cages 24 hours a day. That is another matter entirely. I just think that it is unfair to automatically assume the worst of a breeder just because they choose to use different methods of separation, etc. than we personally would choose. The mere fact that a breeder uses crates or pens does not mean they have a huge number of dogs, nor does it mean the dogs are in there all the time. It could be either way, and I would prefer to know the whole story before deciding.

Thanks! :)

Let's remember that we weren't born knowing everything about everything!! I myself learned the hard way by losing my Nikki about different type of breeders. I have learned so much since and found a great breeder. There are people who want a small yorkie not knowing that too small a yorkie might have health problems and can't be bred and fall for the "teacup", "micromini yorkie" terms.
Let's educate one another, not attack each other. :mad:

Thanks for the Medication Information
 

Thank you for the medication information!

Quote: ("Your Vet should only use Isoflorane - Sevoflorane for anesthesia on toy breeds")

Even though I have been with my Vet Office for 20+ years and trust them with my life. I'm still going to ask them what they use during surgery. This is my first Yorkie, but not my first dog and each dog should be cared for according to their breed and size.

I want the very best for my new girl, Ms. LeiLani and I've worked to long and hard researching Yorkies and my breeder (1-1/2 years) to loose her to a stupid mistake.
I want to make sure that anyone that "I allow" to touch my child, will care for her as if she were their own.
I'm the only one that can speak for her and I will.
Thank you again my friend!

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I tried to correct my original message but it would not let me so I'm trying this "Quote" thing again.... This is the person I got the Medication Info from.
So, Again.... Thank You!

You are so right.. that is a great post.....we need to try to keep these people and not attack them..then they will learn more and more.. maybe saying wait till the next heat would have gotten her to end up learning more..
I have just watched amanda's thread about having her first litter and came here for help.. it was such a please and i might add fun that so many stuck around for the whelping and now the baby pictures..It is so easy to get in attack mode..but we all need to try to help.. I know since I have been here we have lost many to those kinds of threads..
Yet some can come on here and wow.. get help and another can come on here and the posts are so bad.. we lose them....anne