Correction...I meant to say that they are allowed in the obedience ring. They are NOT allowed in the confirmation ring, like I had originally written.

are biewers and parti's larger or larger bodied? I dont know if its the coloring or what but every pic Ive seen they look larger than yorkie standards.

My Livi is only 5lbs. so she is not bigger...right within the Yorkie standard. :)

Tammy

akc.org
 

AKC sanctioned conformation (show ring) shows do not allow Yorkies that are not AKC standard. Standard only allows a one inch white spot on the chest. there is no allowed color Parti. Go on the internet and type in Why Not White! The article may be on AKC.ORG also. Parti Yorkies are like designer dogs. Just something someone is breeding.

Actually the Nikko's parti lines seem to run on the smaller size of the standard. I wish I could find a female parti that was 6-7 lbs but most that I've heard of or seen are 5 lbs and under.

Again, I don't think the words biewer and parti should be interchanged like they so often are. While parti can be registered, they are not registered as a parti but as a Yorkshire terrier. Any dog is eligible to be registered as long as his parents were registered with breeding rights, and that privilege hasn't been taken from the breeder. Many dogs that are registered don't meet standard, because breeders continue to breed dogs who don't meet standard.

It is not clear if the OP dogs were biewer or regular yorkies with the piebald gene. He said that he has "visited" the biewer site, which I took to mean that because some of the pups were multicolored he thought they were biewers. I have been trying to say that there is a great deal of difference.

Biewer breeders are trying to develop their own classification with the AKC with strict coloration standards. A biewer pup can cost around $3000.00, partis on the other hand, are just regular yorkshire terriers whose colors do not meet standard. Unethical breeders try to dupe the public into paying more for them because of their obvious similarity with biewers.

I don't even think that the "public", for the most part, has even heard of the Biewer...so how would this be a selling point for any breeder of the parti color??
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I'd be interested in hearing more information about the parents and puppies, along with pictures.

I'm assuming the sire and dam both look like a standard-colored yorkie which is why the OP was surprised by the parti pups. The piebald gene is a recessive gene. The puppy must inherit 2 piebald genes in order to be a parti. If they inherit none or only one, they will look like a standard-colored yorkie but be a carrier of the piebald gene. So for two standard-colored yorkies to produce parti puppies, they must both carry the piebald gene.

You can't breed a "splitter" to a Yorkie and get any biewer puppies. They would all look like standard-colored yorkies. You must breed splitter to splitter or splitter to biewer to get biewer puppies.

Well, I guess if you going to get technical, they haven't heard of the word "parti" either, and most of them think "teacup yorkie" is a special classification.

One of the things Yorkietalk can do is educate, it's own members, and the general public. We must remember that many people read Yorkietalk while searching for a dog to buy. Right now at this instant, there are 98 members on the forum and 95 guests reading the forum. I'm always amazed at how many guests we have. Most of the people will probably never become members or post anything, but I'll bet they're a little more informed when the leave here than when they came.

I just want to add that while it is possible for a good breeder to produce a multicolored pup, I personally do not believe a good breeder would market them as a parti. To me this is the same as marketing a smaller dog as "teacup."

I guess I am not getting the points that you are trying to make, other than you are against breeding the parti color. Which it is called this because that the color classification....not as a "selling feature". :confused: It's no different than saying, Chocolate Lab or Yellow Lab....just denotes the color. If you take away the word 'parti' as the description of the tri color, then why not take away the blue and gold as well??? Just words to describe color.

Tammy

Parti and other Yorkies not of Breed Standard Color
 

:aimeeyork No yorkie of any color but the two recognized Standard colors can be registered unless lying about their color. Obedience and Agility are totally different types of shows. There are good reasons NOT to breed these other colors of Yorkies. One being their genes may not be the best ie: sicklier.

My yorkie was house trained at about 10 weeks. This was with no crate training. She slept by my neck and woke me up to go outside as she wouldn't just down off the bed. A good breeding means an excellent dog. Not from someone who buys a female and a male and breeds them with no investigation into their pedigrees and health records. Only reputable breeders take careful condiseration of both the female and the male they are breeding. They will also take back (and pay back) any Yorkie that doesn't work out for any reason.

:) You are incorrect about the parti not being eligible for AKC registration.

I am happy that you found a breeder that you trust and one that trusted you with, what you say, is a show quailty dog AND let you take it before 12 weeks. :rolleyes:

Parti yorkies are eligible for registration through the AKC. If both the sire and dam are AKC registered yorkies, the offspring can be registered through AKC as well. When you get your registration paper, it only gives you 4 choices of colors which are blue/tan, blue/gold, black/tan, black/gold. But if you have a yorkie that is a different color such as a parti, chocolate (known as liver), solid gold, solid blue, etc. there is a way to register them as the correct color.

While parti yorkies can be registered with AKC, they can not be shown in the conformation ring. Their color is considered a disqualification according to the yorkshire terrier standard and rules set by the YTCA.

Thanks Michele. The parti registration is based on the parents information (and obvioulsy if they are also registered) and they also look at pictures that you are required to send in along with the registration form.

Tammy

So should they call them blue and tan? :confused:

Maybe you can explain how someone goes about registering a different colored yorkie? Someone explained it once but I can't remember how you go about it. That might help others to understand that they can be registered.

I can see how it is confusing because they can't be shown...but they can be registered. It's the same thing as say a white german shepherd. You can register a white german shepherd with the AKC but you can not show it.

I would call them a yorkshire terrier, many yorkies don't meet standard, such as one with a cotton coat. Should a breeder advertise this as something unique and special? I throughly agree with the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America on this matter. For more information see: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C

Thanks Nancy - We need to educate people
 

Nancy,
I appreciate your helping me to educate people about buying the proper Yorkie. We should not proliferate the mixed type of Yorkies or backyard breeding. Two Yorkies should not be bred just for puppies. They should be bred to BETTER the breed. Not by making designer dogs of different colors.

So are you saying that AKC should do away with all color classification?

Have you shared a picture of your "show quailty" puppy yet? I would love to see it....especially with it being so young and you already being told by your breeder that it is of this quality.

No, I think the YTCA will do very well without any input from me.

By the way, I noticed you have a beautiful yorkie in your avatar; multicolored yorkies can make wonderful pets and can be very beautiful. I hope you don't think I'm putting your pet down in any way, he's gorgeous, I just don't believe breeders should purposely breed or charge more for multicolored yorkies, and they won't be able to if people are informed.

Thanks...we think she is beautiful as well and can't wait to see her little parti babies one day. I am sure that whatever price I decide to charge will be just fine for any potential buyer...since it obviously won't be a secret to them. :rolleyes: The price is something between the breeder and buyer. I knew how much they were when I bought Livi and I didn't need anyone telling me that I was paying too much. It was my own decision to make.

Tammy

I searched "Why Not White" on the internet and was unable to find the site (s) you're talking about?

You are correct on some points. Yes, the YTCA Standard has always said that the only correct adult color is blue and tan. So tell me why have black and tan, black and gold and blue and gold "off colored" dogs, entered the show ring and won championships in the past? Why do breeders (show breeders included as seen in previous threads) continue to breed the off colored black coated yorkies to their blue and tan yorkies? Black coated adults according to old standards and to the new DQ rule, are considered to be off color and not correct. I don't hear anyone saying that "those" dogs should be spayed/neutered and sold without papers or sold as pets?

Parti yorkies are not "designer dogs," they have appeared in the breed since the 1800's but have been chastised due to their off coloring (as per YTCA standards). Back in the early days when this color showed up; prior to the scientific knowledge that we have today about how genetics and recessive genes work, people were completely ignorant and closed minded and they assumed that mom hooked up with the wrong stud or the neighbors white dog.

Today, we know that both parents have to carry the gene in order for the parti color to appear. These genes have been hanging around in our dogs for years and years and are being passed on from generation to generation. We will continue to see new "surprise" parti color coming from other lines as time goes on. I only wish that AKC would require that these pups and parents from new parti lines be DNA'd, just to keep everyone honest. :-)

I too believe that education is very important; it makes people think.

Attached is an example of how recessive genes came to be in our yorkies.
This is a breed that began by dogs of unknown heritage and dogs with out pedigrees. Pictured is a group of Terriers from the 19th century, illustration by DJ Watkins - Pitchford, from the Book of Field Sports printed in 1860. According to the caption in the illustration the drawing depicts: The Skye Terrier, The Scotch Terrier, The English Smooth (coated) Terrier, The Crossed Scotch Terrier, The Dandie Dinmont and The Bull Terrier. Dogs like these were some of the early foundation stock of the Yorkshire Terrier. Please note that 2 of the dogs (the Crossed Scotch Terrier and the Bull Terrier) are parti colored in this drawing. Also note that all but 1 dog ran freely, and I'm pretty sure that none were neutered or spayed in the 1800's.

"Swift's Old Crab" one of the foundation dogs in our breed was a Crossed Scotch Terrier ... he was an acceptable color according to the YTCA but who knows, he may have been the full sibling or a son of the parti colored Cross Scotch terrier in the picture! ;-)

Just because a dog is blue and tan, doesn't mean that they don't carry recessive genes for other colors, it just means that their genes have been "hiding in the closet." :D

This comes from the Yorkshire Terrier Club off America:




Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

The Yorkshire Terrier is a tan dog with a blue saddle. The “rare gold” Yorkie is actually a dog that appears as such due to an improper saddle pattern. Show breeders have seen this and commonly call it running gold. When the dog is cut down, you can see that the blue saddle does not come down far enough. The Yorkshire Terrier blue saddle extends lower than some of the other black and tan terriers extending to the elbow and also to the hock on the rear leg. Gold hairs can occur in the blue and black or blue hairs can appear in the gold. These faults are addressed in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. These dogs have serious faults and they too should not be sold as "rare" but placed in loving homes as they are very incorrect. Yorkies do not have white markings…never have. A small white strip is sometimes seen on the chest of newborns but this always turns to tan within a few weeks. The AKC registration form for Yorkshire Terriers allows for four choices: blue and tan, blue and gold, black and tan, black and gold. There is no provision for markings.

A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie."

See: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C



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Beautiful pups!! Can't wait to see them as they grow. I have no idea where you are located, but I'd love to take one off your hands when they are ready to go...;)

Congrats!!!

Yorkies have evolved from broken haired, to silky haired; from larger sizes down to the 4-7 lb standards we have today (with some going above or below those sizes due to their genes). The above article states that "There was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today."... but Black coated adult yorkies have entered the show ring and won, how is that possible?

"All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed." How can anyone other than God, know the genetic makeup of the original dogs that were used in the development of the breed ... these dogs had no pedigrees and were working dogs who ran freely?

If you read other writings on the Yorkshire terrier breed, you will find information that conflicts with the above article, i.e. that the Maltese was bred to the early yorkie to improve the texture and length of it's coat?

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With all the controversy that we are seeing in the show ring today with dogs being disqualified for having blue coats that are too light or too dark, not even the Blue and Tan color is a guarantee that your yorkie meets the strict color standard?

My opinion is that a good Yorkie is never a bad color (with the exception of colors that are associated with health problems).

:confused: I'm a little confused, forgive me. Going into the conformation ring is being shown.

The puppies are cute. Good luck with them.

Tammy corrected herself if post 31.

I agree the puppies are beautiful - I'd love to fly one over to live with me!