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blitz 04-08-2008 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 1903466)
Can you help Puppies lil leg????
Allie had her puppies last night and when I got up this morning
I was picking them up. Checking tummys..all looked well.
But the biggest girls little back leg is messed up.
The bottom part of it kinda goes backwards.
I am wondering if it has something to do with her laying in vitro...Or is a deformity.
Its very flexible and I can move it to the right position.
Can this be fixed if I work with it therapy ?...Tape it..splint it?
I have no idea. Its not in ANY pain what so ever, and I dont want to put it down.
Of course when I take her to the vets in a few days I will ask them too.
But today I just made the appointment and I want to start now when bones are real soft if I can do anything for her.
I tried to zoom in on it this morning.I should have tried to get it without holding the leg.Its not showing how bad it is.My battery is charging
Thanks in advance everyone~!
I'm not understanding something here. You have a puppy in need of veterinary care and they give you an appointment in a few days? I respectfully suggest you barge in there with your puppy. I'm not understanding this at all, I'm sorry. This is life and death for this puppy, not something to fool around with.

Does anyone know an orthopedic specialist in your area?

NanaDtreasures 04-08-2008 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1906855)
I'm not understanding something here. You have a puppy in need of veterinary care and they give you an appointment in a few days? I respectfully suggest you barge in there with your puppy. I'm not understanding this at all, I'm sorry. This is life and death for this puppy, not something to fool around with.

Does anyone know an orthopedic specialist in your area?
HI !
The rest of the post goes on to explain.
She is doing better,Now it looks even better then this morning.
Do you really think this is a life or death matter?????????
I'm doing the best I can for this lil one and am real happy with how her leg is looking...very happy

Tnyorkiemom 04-08-2008 05:33 PM
im no breeder but i dont think a leg that is not perfect is a life or death situation......i have seen even three-legged doggies live very happy lives....dont worry about what everyone is saying ...that little one is getting the best attention and is gonna be fine

YorkieRose 04-08-2008 06:22 PM
vet
 
This is NOT an emergancy...there is plenty of time to see the vet...tail docking time is fine if the vet does them for you...it is very stressful for a newborn to be poked and probed by a vet in a non-emergancy situation...these things will keep...the breeder has done nothing wrong..infact she is using wisdom...with a tiny pup there is little the vet will do right now..and it may correct...and if not, it can be splinted or surgery, but do you really think a vet would do it to a newborn...it can cause more harm then good and may not be needed...

I have had breeders come crying to me over a deformity, wanting answer right away.....9 times out of 10 the problem is long gone by 8 weeks...AND I have seen breeders put this type puppy down..rarely is it necessary..most everything like this corrects or is fixable with patience...relax!!!

blitz 04-09-2008 04:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 1906921)
HI !
The rest of the post goes on to explain.
She is doing better,Now it looks even better then this morning.
Do you really think this is a life or death matter?????????
I'm doing the best I can for this lil one and am real happy with how her leg is looking...very happy
Yes, I would consider a pup's leg very crucial to its life! I know you are doing the very best you can at home but this pup needs to be seen by a qualified vet to determine what the problem is and if anything can be done for it. In my life I've had to find a nuerologist, a cardiologist and a general surgeon to deal with issues my pups were born with.

I am glad you are happy with the puppies improvement but you don't even know what's wrong with it or what can be done and time may be of the essence. You can get good support on a forum but it is no substitute for veterinary care.

Please bring her to a qualified veterinarian.

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:09 AM
This is getting rude.
Prehaps Admin should close this thread

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

blitz 04-09-2008 05:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1907107)
This is NOT an emergancy...there is plenty of time to see the vet...tail docking time is fine if the vet does them for you...it is very stressful for a newborn to be poked and probed by a vet in a non-emergancy situation...these things will keep...the breeder has done nothing wrong..infact she is using wisdom...with a tiny pup there is little the vet will do right now..and it may correct...and if not, it can be splinted or surgery, but do you really think a vet would do it to a newborn...it can cause more harm then good and may not be needed...

I have had breeders come crying to me over a deformity, wanting answer right away.....9 times out of 10 the problem is long gone by 8 weeks...AND I have seen breeders put this type puppy down..rarely is it necessary..most everything like this corrects or is fixable with patience...relax!!!
Well, everyone has their own way of doing things. I am not suggesting that she did anything wrong at all but I would get a doctor's opinion on whether or not it is best to wait and if so, how long I should wait. I would also like his opinion on what the problem is. It is possible that he won't know, I realize that but it's also possible that he will have seen it before. It's all about what you feel comfortable with I guess, but she did ask for help and the best advice I can give is what I would do myself. No criticism was intended.

blitz 04-09-2008 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 1907006)
im no breeder but i dont think a leg that is not perfect is a life or death situation......i have seen even three-legged doggies live very happy lives....dont worry about what everyone is saying ...that little one is getting the best attention and is gonna be fine

How many people on here feel that their dogs are like their children? If your kid had a deformed leg, would you not consider that pretty close to a life or death situation?

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:15 AM
Give it up already
This really is not nice to keep on and on about this.



Deana

blitz 04-09-2008 05:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1907707)
This is getting rude.
Prehaps Admin should close this thread

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies
Was I rude? I really really didn't mean to be. Please let me know how I was rude because I was just trying to be helpful and give my best advice.

Tnyorkiemom 04-09-2008 05:17 AM
NO i do not consider a deformity of a leg as life or death...i am a surgical tech and let me tell you breathing and walking are 2 different things....yes the little pup may end up walking with a limp or even at the worst have to have the leg removed but that does not mean that it can breath and have a good quality of life....life is breathing and a heartbeat....

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:19 AM
its one thing to give advice but this has gone past giving advice.
These post are simply not nice.

She is taking the pups to have tails docked, the vet will see the pup then.
This pup is apparently doing OK and not getting worse, actually if you read the post the leg is looking better.
She did not seek this board to replace her vet care.
It is obvious she cares about her pups.

Deana

Tnyorkiemom 04-09-2008 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1907728)
its one thing to give advice but this has gone past giving advice.
These post are simply not nice.

She is taking the pups to have tails docked, the vet will see the pup then.
This pup is apparently doing OK and not getting worse, actually if you read the post the leg is looking better.
She did not seek this board to replace her vet care.
It is obvious she cares about her pups.

Deana
bravo, bravo,,,,,i have been talking back and forth with Debbi and the leg is doing nicely....baby is getting "fat" and everything is looking as well as can be exspected.....she is taking them tomorrow to have tails and dew claws done and vet checks.....


Debbi
I think you have done a MARVELOUS JOB the the little Darling

blitz 04-09-2008 05:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1907728)
its one thing to give advice but this has gone past giving advice.
These post are simply not nice.

She is taking the pups to have tails docked, the vet will see the pup then.
This pup is apparently doing OK and not getting worse, actually if you read the post the leg is looking better.
She did not seek this board to replace her vet care.
It is obvious she cares about her pups.

Deana
I never thought for a minute that she didn't care about her pups. That's why she was looking for advice. I know I can be passionate about things but don't take offense where none was intended. It's so easy to choose to get offended. I rarely take offense.

But anyway, I apologize to NanaD if she got offended but I this is how I am with my dogs and my kids. But I seriously cannot sleep at night if I'm worried about one of them so it's off to the pro I go.

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:32 AM
You know my son fell in december and broke the tibia and fibula he went to ER the didn't do anything other than ace bandaid his appt for the ortho dr was 6 days later
I was upset thinking you have to be kidding me.
When we finally got to see the ortho dr he told us the reason they wait before seeing the patient is so the swelling will go down by the time the ortho dr sees them. so waiting is what the ortho drs do


Deana

Tnyorkiemom 04-09-2008 05:35 AM
Exactly...we had many many patients that the original accident had been over a week because of swelling...waiting may be hard but alot of times it is the best thing

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 1907762)
Exactly...we had many many patients that the original accident had been over a week because of swelling...waiting may be hard but alot of times it is the best thing

It is a long process with ortho problems.
My son just had the big screw removed and is finally doing better one big plate and 8 screws later.

Deana

blitz 04-09-2008 05:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1907756)
You know my son fell in december and broke the tibia and fibula he went to ER the didn't do anything other than ace bandaid his appt for the ortho dr was 6 days later
I was upset thinking you have to be kidding me.
When we finally got to see the ortho dr he told us the reason they wait before seeing the patient is so the swelling will go down by the time the ortho dr sees them. so waiting is what the ortho drs do


Deana
Oh boy. I know I'm going to get in trouble. But for discussion purposes only:

If your son fell again tomorrow would you wait a few days for the swelling to go down? I doubt it. If he had a complete break it can be life threatening and the only way to know would be xray.

PrestigeousYT 04-09-2008 05:48 AM
Not going there.
Debbi loves her kiddos and thats what is important
I have lots to do today.
Will catch up with YT later

Deana

NanaDtreasures 04-09-2008 06:07 AM
Update
 
You guys have been wonderful
Once again theres always someone....
Where's my mushy tomatoes? hehe:p
But anywho...

My baby girl looks great!!
Allie did not like the tape , so rather then have an accident
when I wasnt up to watch her all night I took the taping off
I had to check just now...and REALLY look to find which one it was~!
It looks soooooooooo much better. I just cant believe it
I'm so happy!!!!!! It is still bent a little tiny bit.
And the vet will check it tomorrow.
But I cant even begin to tell you the improvement.

I hope if this ever happens to anyone else on here.
They know it can be fixed!

NanaDtreasures 04-09-2008 06:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1907775)
Oh boy. I know I'm going to get in trouble. But for discussion purposes only:

If your son fell again tomorrow would you wait a few days for the swelling to go down? I doubt it. If he had a complete break it can be life threatening and the only way to know would be xray.
HUH?
I hope you have a wonderful day~!
Its nice and warm here in Ohio

Tnyorkiemom 04-09-2008 06:11 AM
Debbi that is so great to hear....you are doing a great job......cant wait to see pics when she is about 4 weeks running around.....they are so cute when they starting walking and stumbling....good job.....:cheer: :cheer:

YorkieRose 04-09-2008 06:26 AM
good news
 
I am happy to hear the puppy is doing well. I think I have seen and done it all at one time or the other...these things correct so fast, bones are soft and mold right back into place...much like a babies skull after birth..but there is no waiting with a stressed puppy in pain...this is not the case.

When someone asks for advise...I try to give it, and then make no judgements if my advise is followed...I always caution putting a deformed pup down too soon or thinking you have to fix it the first day...they are so adaptable and much disappears in a few weeks...it is like the thread with the cleft lip pup...my friends two girls looked very deformed at 8 wks...and at 8 months the facial hair around the mouth was so long it was hard to see a problem...but several breeders told her to destroy them early on...even the vet was infavor when he saw them at 2 days...they are wonderful girls...

NanaDtreasures 04-09-2008 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1907855)
I am happy to hear the puppy is doing well. I think I have seen and done it all at one time or the other...these things correct so fast, bones are soft and mold right back into place...much like a babies skull after birth..but there is no waiting with a stressed puppy in pain...this is not the case.

When someone asks for advise...I try to give it, and then make no judgements if my advise is followed...I always caution putting a deformed pup down too soon or thinking you have to fix it the first day...they are so adaptable and much disappears in a few weeks...it is like the thread with the cleft lip pup...my friends two girls looked very deformed at 8 wks...and at 8 months the facial hair around the mouth was so long it was hard to see a problem...but several breeders told her to destroy them early on...even the vet was infavor when he saw them at 2 days...they are wonderful girls...
Thank you Yorkie Rose. I thought your post to me was well thought out ,informative and kind.:) I'm like you. My first thought (for just a few minutes) was should I put it down. This shows ..NO WAY
If puppy had been in any pain at all I wouldnt have waited for the vet
I'm just so happy this morning. Its a great day~!

bjh 04-09-2008 06:46 AM
I have a grandson that was born with a club foot. It looked bad. After he was a few months old they put his foot in a plaster cast for months. Today you would never know he ever had a problem.

Considering all the circumstances and all that Debbi is going through, I think she is doing a wonderful job.:thumbup:

blitz 04-09-2008 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 1907821)
HUH?
I hope you have a wonderful day~!
Its nice and warm here in Ohio

Hi Debbie. What didn't you understand? I was replying to Deana's post about her son's broken leg.

I'm glad your puppy's leg is better. Obviously you didn't want my input. No problem.

Thank you, I do have a wonderful day planned and I hope you have a peachy day as well. :)

katelin 04-09-2008 07:54 AM
What ever happened to the litter with the first born puppy being a cleft palate? I read all the information suggested on that thread, but what was the final decision for that little puppy?

Debbi, glad your little girl is doing so well.

bjh 04-09-2008 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1908077)
What ever happened to the litter with the first born puppy being a cleft palate? I read all the information suggested on that thread, but what was the final decision for that little puppy?

Debbi, glad your little girl is doing so well.
I think there is another thread about that puppy. The puppy is doing very well and it looks like it just has a cleft lip or hair lip and not a cleft palate.

katelin 04-09-2008 08:11 AM
That is great news! Thanks for the information.

bjh 04-09-2008 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1908126)
That is great news! Thanks for the information.
Here is the thread about the little one.
http://yorkietalk.com/forums/showthr...=124685&page=4

We are all still praying for him.


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