Gonna Bow out of the Breeders Section
 

After reading several threads in this section and sitting on my fingers and not responding, I've decided I will not respond on this thread. I will be responding with showing and other topics but it makes me sick to see breeders coming on here and asking questions and doing things irresponsibly. I'm not talking about those of you that do this responsibly whether it be yorkies, parti's or biewers (although I don't agree with breeding Biewers or parti's but I know a few that are passionate and this is not about you guys :) )
There is one poster that I want to blast so badly LOL but I'm not going too because they will not take advice, they are going to do it their way and doesn't matter what anyone says. I see them posting and I just want to scream at them but I'm gonna take the mature way out and also the nice way out and just ignore this thread all together. As nice as some are with this person I wanna throw up LOL...
Anyway this makes me too frustrated and so those of you that want to ask me any questions feel free to PM me because I will not respond on the breeder's section for a long time to come ( if I can help it ).
Thanks to those of you that have been very kind and very appreicative and the wonderful support you have given me but I can't stand it any longer!
I will be on other threads to have fun. Showing is where my passion lies anyway!

Thanks,
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I understand your decision, but just know that when there is one poster who completely disregards what you say to them, there are 10 more who are reading it and soaking it in. I personally do not breed, or have any desire to, but I read through the breeders section just to have knowledge, and I read and respect your posts 100%!

And Donna ~ There's always the ignore feature ;)

I don't blame you! There is one "breeder" on here who's dogs are so off standard it's not even funny. I can see it and I don't know the first thing about breeding! Nobody even bats an eye and Im about to pull my hair out! haha

Donna, I understand your frustration but by doing that you are letting them win. I think many of the questions that are asked are done so intentionally to cause controversy. Your input is valuable and everyone needs to see both sides of the story. By ignoring the whole Breeders thread you will hurt those breeders that are sincere about learning. You cannot possibly change everyones mind but you can have a great influence on many. Anyway, it is nice of you to be available for PMs. I think sometimes we all need to take a break. Some days there are just so many questions that it is hard to get to them all. Come back soon.

I totally agree with this, except I think that there are HUNDREDS that are soaking it in. I will miss your voice of reason, but totally understand.

Well, as I have said to frustrated breeders before...Come visit us in the health and diet section.:)

I am sorry to hear this also,for their is those who do need your info.Please do not let a few keep you from posting in this section.

Since I am not a breeder (and never will be) I rarely visit the breeders section and when I do it is to learn from those like yourself things that still may pertain to Lucy and anything you post I ALWAYS take the time to read. It's sad because I'm sure so many can benefit from your posts, but selfishly, I'm just happy you aren't leaving YT and I still get the benefit of you posting! See you in the other sections :)

:yeahthat:

Unfortunately EVERY time I visit the breeder section someone is posting that they're annoyed or won't come back for several reasons. I'm sorry to hear you won't be back to this particular section but you're advice is certainly welcome in our many other sections!

Most of the post in this section are heinous and it makes me glad not to be breeding but instead to be a snuggler of the bread...LOL..

I confess that I don't wonder why some people would go to the pet stores rather than purchase from any breeder. Just from browsing in the breeder section...one can hardly avoid the drama. Right or Wrong...some people are willing to go the easy route (pet stores)..so let's start making it easy to love love lovvvee this breed. I know there's good in everyone!!

We all need to try and continue to sit on our fingers if we do not agree as this is a public forum and many people will disagree. If you are unable to do so, try to be more constructive than criticizing.

Again, you're advice is much appreciated in all our forums and sometimes just walking away brings a little piece to one's heart and that's enough to justify the means. After browsing only 2 days in the breeder section...I totally understand why you'd not want to be in here! God Bless and Good Luck!!

I mostly sit on my hands in this section too...and this section is what kept me from becoming a member for a long time!

I totally understand your frustration. I tend to not post or answer many threads there either, I hate the irresponsibility I see there all too often. I know alot of responsible breeders have valuable knowledge to offer, but it seems that the same people continue to repeat things over and over and most of the time the OP ignores the great advice they so deperately were searching for. It's a shame that alot of responsible breeders choose not to post there!

I totally agree with this, except I think that there are THOUSANDS that are soaking it in. You're one of the main reasons I read the breeding forum.

:yeahthat:

Donna U're a very sweet, straight forward lady who loves her babies with all their heart! I for one love reading U're post for U stand up for how our babies are being treated. It is sad to see U want to leave the Breeders Section as U are a great lady and U're advice is treasured by me. We all have our views good and bad, our thoughts are just that our thoughts others can take adivce or leave it. I feel if they leave it then they & their Yorkies are the ones to suffer in the long run. It doesn't hurt to give your thoughts if it did I wouldn't never see my 2 grown girls lol. I understand and hope U will come back I do read all U're post and will contiune to. Hugs & I'll miss U here.

"Donna, I understand your frustration but by doing that you are letting them win. I think many of the questions that are asked are done so intentionally to cause controversy. Your input is valuable and everyone needs to see both sides of the story. By ignoring the whole Breeders thread you will hurt those breeders that are sincere about learning. You cannot possibly change everyones mind but you can have a great influence on many. Anyway, it is nice of you to be available for PMs. I think sometimes we all need to take a break. Some days there are just so many questions that it is hard to get to them all. Come back soon."

She does have a good point Donna, U're wisdom & Other Breeders wisdom is why I'm here too and why I'm learning so much here. I too think some here just want to fuss back and forth. I was about to keep going on the fussing part by me not liking what they say but what is the sense in fussing with them? If they are really here to learn then they will, if not I feel for them & their Yorkies. but I just say what I feel is right and let it go (Don't think I'm not fussin here at home about how they do, for my girls and hubby hear it and my hubby is starting to say things about how some do here when I read their post to him.) I'm not here to fuss, here to learn and stand up for Yorkies.

I normally don't post many comments or questions but read alot. I hate to see you leave. I have learned alot from you. Usually if I look hard enough my own questions I don't ask are already answered. I have learned alot from you and hate you are leaving Breeder Talk. It is very annoying when I am trying to find answers and all I read it alot of bashing back and forth, instead of positive lessons or experiences. I think it would be a great loss if we lost the experienced breeders here. I think even if someone gets upset with the advice given, it still plants the idea and they may think about it later and then understand the advice was truely good advice. I am begging all breeders please don't let the annoying people take you from us that truely benefit from your experiences.

Donna, I hope you change your mind later on but your position is completely understandable....I'm not a breeder but I do enjoy reading the responses from the veterans who are actually dedicated to doing the best they can and are willing to share all they have encountered, the good and the bad, to hopefully benefit someone else......

There is no doubt that this section has the most heated threads and that really should be expected, this section is the heavyweight department of the forum...This is like the trauma center of the hospital.....it's not going to always be pleasant....

I'm always saddened when I see a thread started with someone breeding and if it's clear to me, a non-breeder, that this person should not be breeding or at least not yet, I get frustrated myself.....

When the main focus here has to depend on not being rude but on being polite, and the information giving has become secondary, it really makes it difficult to make an impression on the poster of the importance of what they need to hear.....

It's more of: I can tell you what you want to hear but I really should be telling you what you need to hear....The truth isn't always nice to hear, when someone is brutally honest, it comes as a slap in the face and then it's said, your being rude....which can be used as a defensive mechanism or a manipulation.....Granted there are some posters who do get rude but it usually comes from their irritation and frustration that the poster is refusing to even consider the information given... then why ask for Pete's sake.....

If a few people have tried to post the correct info in a polite way but it is not penetrating then sometimes bluntness is in order, blunt but not abusive, hostile, or insulting.....that would be rude......

Donna, I'm sure that I am one of those people that you feel this way about, but I just came here looking for help and I got so much more than I had ever expected!!!!! This is an amazing place!!! You did say some things that I really didn't agree with , but from what I hear you have really helped ALOT of people!!! It sounds like to me you are very well respected! But, sometimes when you are just straight forward with people "blunt" it does turn people away because they come here for help and sometimes the wrong words are chosen...instead I would say you could say things a little different but still get your point across so people don't run and go do it how they think they should and go abou tit all the wrong way. Because if you do love the breed the way you say you do, you would want to help. Just because you post does not mean that everyone has to agree with what you say and this isn't going for you it is for me and everyone else! I hope you do stay around because I think ALOT of people need reputable knowledgable breeders on the breeder's section!

Donna - I totally agree with you. I have also spent many times having to resist typing/responding to a post in this section. I get so upset and frustrated how many people are breeding. Yikes!! So many! Too many! And this is just a small portion of the yorkie world - here on YT. So if you have all these people here breeding - I know that this is just a small protion of the yorkie people breeding - my head spins to realize that the true numbers of people breeding yorkies must be so high - a number so high - it must be unthinkable to comprehend. No wonder out breed is # 2. Because of this what is going to happen to our breed?? I am really scared!

I think, most times I should not say anything to help - because then am I contributing to them producing more pups. But then - I also think about the dog it self. It is not her fault she was breed. Sometimes I think - maybe it is important to educate others and maybe they will learn. But lately - I have seen so many that will talk a good talk or in the end I know they will do what they want to do. So I am at the point why try.

If one breeds - they must educate themselves first - this takes years - to learn the standard, what is totally involved in breeding, watch litters being whelped, etc... And test your dogs before breeding - this includes having your dog checked to see if it measures up to the standard and worthy of being breed! :thumbup:

T.

Maybe someone could invent a Positive Poster word processing program, where you could type your reply into the program and it would automatically change it to something even the perkiest poster would agree with, perhaps something that added lots of smiley faces and lols. For example, you want to say, "You have got to be the stupidest bitch, I've ever run across, and believe me I've run across some beauts."

The Positive Poster word processing program would change your reply to,


"You are a truly unique person in the area of astuteness." :)

Then the rest of us could buy a program that unlocks the positive posting inscription, and figure out what's being said.

Just a thought

I think we all have to remember that we are all different people and since some of us don't know each other personally we don't know how each other talks. When things are typed you can interpret them differently than the way they were meant. Some people are more passionate or dramatic and it shows but to some it may come across to as rude or over exaggerated. We need to keep that in mind when we ask questions and get responses we don't like that it is easy to read more into them because we are looking for harsh comments and not really reading the advice. We are human and do want to defend ourselves but can't we all just get along. Not everything has to be sugar coated and really we don't all have to like each other. Lets grow up and put on our big girl/guy panties/underwear on and appreciate the time & advice given instead of bad mouthing them cause we didn't like it. If you didn't like it thats fine. Listen to the ones you did like but remember you probably didn't like it cause it just may have been true.

We are losing a great breeders advice cause some people don't know how to take the advice given. I have seen so many times where people are whining about a rude comment and I read it and didn't think it was rude at all. Be careful how you read your responses before accusing people of being rude. Now some people are rude. But I just ignore them cause they are just looking for drama.

It is frustrating to watch so many incredibly poor representations of the breed being duplicated and fostered off on an unknowing public because people refuse to do a little research or they just don't care. Sometimes I think if I have to hear "but my 5 month old pup is so cute I just have to breed him once before I have him fixed" I'm going to Puck!!!! Of course he's cute, he's a 5 month old pup! Do they know anything about the line that he comes from? Is he anywhere near the breed standard? What does he have to offer the breed? Has he been tested for anything and will he even be allowed to grow up to prove himself? There's no doubt that the show section is a lot more fun but as a relative newbie myself I must admit I have learned here. Mardelin and I have spent plenty of time pming back and forth and sometimes it was to correct me. I've learned and grown alot in the last year and a half and can even help others now on occasion. I look at some of the titles and think I'm not even going to go there. Sometimes I get sick of it and I'll hide in the show section for a while. I agree with Topknot, it's hard to offer your help to someone that you feel is contributing to the downfall of the breed that we love so much. Someday yorkies will probably be a problem breed like the cockers became after they got so popular in the 50s and they will fall from grace. It will then be up to dedicated breeders who are still producing healthy, excellent examples of the breed to bring them back to their glory. And we will because you can't hold these little angels down, you don't own a yorkie, you are owned by one. If you go don't stay away too long, you are needed here.

Donna, I know exactly how you feel. Although, I'm not a breeder and most likely will never be, I really love this breed. I've learned SO much in the past couple of years, and I wish everyone would open themselves up to learning like I did...it's just amazing how much you can learn once you set your mind to it. I'm not suprised you are bowing out for a while...obviously, because I asked you Saturday what made you stay here. I know it gets frustrating...I'm so sick of people producing unhealthy dogs and not doing anything to stop it...I'm sick of people putting their dog's life at risk because they just want one litter from it or because they didn't take the time to get her spayed, and I'm sick of how overbred Yorkies are. I think you know how hard it is for me to trust a breeder, and so far what I know about you is that you really are a very honest and ethical breeder. I wish every breeder cared about the heath of this breed like you do. I guess we can't save the world...all we can do is put good advice out there...I guess people will choose to listen to it or not. Unfortunately, when it comes to dogs people feel like they have the right to breed their dog and think there can be a big profit in the "breeding business". It's really sad and frustrated that people breed for money instead of the love of the breed. Anyway, you're appreciated here, and I hope you don't disapear forever. I don't blame you one bit for not advising anyone that is clearly planning to breed the wrong way but I know you're always willing to help if someone is truly interested in learning. Thanks for being one of the good ones :thumbup:

This saddens me as well. I am trying to get into showing and have been soaking up information here and YOUR posts are some that I look for. A lot of the posts have good information because those people have taken the time to read from the experienced breeders like you. If all of the reputable experienced breeders were to leave, it will be the blind leading the blind. I hope you reconsider.

I agree with this post so.. much. Everyone is different, why do so many feel they are the experts when it comes to Yorkies. Use kind words, so.. some people learn more slowly then others, everyone isn't perfect, the world isn't perfect. Donna if your tired of being the person with all the answers by all means take a break. Come back when you fell able to make a positive post and not pick at those who make you sit on your fingers.

good post.. I feel the same way... please donna do not leave.. just ignore those threads.. see who is making the thread.. then make your own judgement on if this person is a yt member for a good while.. or many posts.. you can check them out to see what type of person they are.. then help the ones who want your help.. I really need people like you posting.. I am always wanting to learn.. I do not like to see harness.. and I can sure understand the frustration, when some just do not get it..
This place needs you all.. please do not give up... I sometimes wonder if some of those posts are even real people with a real problem, of have they been lurking and know how to push buttons.. then they win.. we all lose..
anne

First of all I want to say thank you for all the support I see in this thread! I wasn't going to post at all because I'm seriously frustrated with how people come to this section and not only this one and asks for advice and then when it's given and when the advice given is not liked we as responsible breeders are the bad guys, that's the frustrating part to me. Niki, yes, you happen to be one I'm frustrated with but not the only one. I am not trying to be rude or mean or crass but you did state in the post you probably are one so yes I will tell you that you are.
My passion for this breed is emense and I just hate seeing that it's going to be butchered ( harsh maybe ) but that's the direction it's going.
I love helping someone new because I hope that I can educate someone in breeding the responsible way. I don't know it all, never claimed to know it all I'm still learning like a new person would be.

I'm not going anywhere, I'm still here but I won't be posting in this section. I might if someone yells my name LOL...I do enjoy YT.
Myfairlacy asked me when we met this past weekend why I am still around for this section and I told her because I like and feel some are good people and she was one and that is the reason I haven't completely left YT is because of some here.
I know there are some good people here it's just hard to stay focused when some ask for advice and when it's given and it's not what they want to hear and I'm or we are the bad guys and it's their god given right to breed any ole way they want....that's where I get frustrated :(
Anyway, Thanks for listening and the support for this breed is great to see! It's you all that will do our breed good :) I'll be watching from the sidelines for a bit :)
THANK YOU!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

join the club....i exited the breeder section three weeks ago. i still lerk