Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1864912)

I would just like to say something, generally speaking, not directed at anyone individually. I read a thread today that really made me think and helped me put alot of my thoughts into words:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=122236

The thread in itself is a prime example of why people come here for help and don't get it, why people ask questions and don't get answers.

I have not been on in a few weeks...I've been dealing with some major speedbumps in life and have not had the chance to log on. Now that things are settling down and I have the chance to think about something else for a minute, I read all this and it just makes me want to cut my PC off.

Honestly, the disregard for these dogs and the attitudes directed at those who DO try to help is enough to turn anyone off of YT and breeding altogether. :cry:

More and more frequently, new members/breeders sign up and ask questions. People who clearly have limited (if any) knowledge regarding Yorkies as a breed and the breeding process altogether and people who openly have intention$, goal$ and motivation$, and practice$ generally frowned upon by the Yorkie community and those committed to it.:thumbdown

They come onto YT as newbies, learning as we all once did and ask basic questions--then begins the bickering! :rolleyes:

This is why I do not come on YT anymore, great post Ba
Many of the questions are things that should be researced well in advance of breeding. Breeding is not something that should be picked up as you go along!

Nevertheless, those experienced and with many years of knowledge--either those who can stomach the stress or those who have not given up--answer the questions giving honestly and give good advice. Sometimes the answers are not the ones you want to hear and sometimes they come accross as harsh--all in an attempt to try to get others to realize the seriousness of breeding and how dangerous it can be if done irresponsibly! This results in many new members either genuinely feeling attacked or crying victim to gain support and distract attention from their newly established, questionable breeding practices--bottom line, the dogs and their well being sadly take a backseat to the new, 'more important' issue--who is being 'rude' and who got their feelings hurt. The advice and answers that were given are forgotten, ignored and not followed or even considered by those who claim to be here because they so desperately need help or want to learn?! Something there just doesn't add up. (Or maybe it is just as it seems.)

Then come the comments such as, "They are just going to do it anyway" and "May as well try to help out" Well, I'm sorry, but I for one refuse to 'help out' anyone who breeds irresponsibly. Furthermore, I know there are many others who feel the same way and who have 'given up' trying to help others as it only results in them being criticized for being truthful, God forbid.

So my point is, THIS is why so many of the long time, well respected breeders that are (or were) members here don't even log onto YT anymore and why those who do don't bother to answer questions or help anymore. I can think of several breeders who have been at this a long time, who have shown and had success doing it over the years, who I have learned alot from and who could offer information and share their experiences, greatly benefitting us all--several members who fit this mold but who don't come to YT anymore or bother to post at all.

It's really unfortunate. I can't speak for everyone, but I really miss some of the long time breeders that used to post frequently--I learned alot from them and enjoyed reading what they had to say. Now when I come to the breeder section, it's not filled with anything helpful at all.

I don't know the solution to the problem. Heck, I don't even know if there is a solution! And maybe it's because I've recently had to deal with something that made me reconsider what really takes priority in my life and has made me rethink things I thought I had my mind made up about a long time ago. But for whatever reason, this bickering among people who all have (or claim to have) the same concerns (their dogs!) in mind seems completely ridiculous and petty and completely non-productive. Like I said, I can't fix it, but I can choose not to involve myself in it and rather focus my attention on other things, both on and off YT, relating and not relating to dogs.

If you come on here and ask a question, then listen to the advice given and understand that some answers will be passionate and not what you hoped for, but maybe what you truly need to hear. If you're answering a question, let it go and don't stress over those who refuse to see reason. And regardless of who you are, let your dogs, not some point you are trying to prove, be your main concern.

Anyways....that's all I got.

Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 1874987)

there are experienced breeders who show their dogs because they want to share the success... thats wonderful...
also takes money
newer breeders are building, or can never afford the time or money to invest in the luxury of showing
i guess that is a luxury some breeders have earned.
i am a little jealous.. but, still happy for all of your champs..
maybe in ten years....
breeders who show their dogs are in a different league..
they must know a lot about breeding and raising dogs for sure..
these people should be our mentors
however, they might be so proud of their dogs, they might have some blindness... a lot of humility needed..... jmo:animal36

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1875352)

When I attended my first show it was for my education because I wanted to be a breeder. When I entered my first dog it was to have him evaluated before he was bred to make sure that I was on the right track. It was and is still not a luxury but wometihing that I consider a necessity if I am to be a responsible breeder. Breeding these dogs is a priviledge, one that must be earned through hard work and education. I don't feel that breeders should be in different leagues whether you have a champion to show or not. All breeders should be required to know the standard for their breed, the health issues that are dominant in their breed, and the temperment requirements or their breed. All breeders should be striving to improve upon these issues and continually educating themselves in an attempt to do so. Showing is to evaluate breeding stock and is a necessity if you want to breed with an educated eye, the insight of others more knowledgable than yourself is invaluable.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1875352)

When I attended my first show it was for my education because I wanted to be a breeder. When I entered my first dog it was to have him evaluated before he was bred to make sure that I was on the right track. It was and is still not a luxury but wometihing that I consider a necessity if I am to be a responsible breeder. Breeding these dogs is a priviledge, one that must be earned through hard work and education. I don't feel that breeders should be in different leagues whether you have a champion to show or not. All breeders should be required to know the standard for their breed, the health issues that are dominant in their breed, and the temperment requirements or their breed. All breeders should be striving to improve upon these issues and continually educating themselves in an attempt to do so. Showing is to evaluate breeding stock and is a necessity if you want to breed with an educated eye, the insight of others more knowledgable than yourself is invaluable.

Originally Posted by tskinner (Post 2616104)

Someone has to start somewhere.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1875352)

When I attended my first show it was for my education because I wanted to be a breeder. When I entered my first dog it was to have him evaluated before he was bred to make sure that I was on the right track. It was and is still not a luxury but wometihing that I consider a necessity if I am to be a responsible breeder. Breeding these dogs is a priviledge, one that must be earned through hard work and education. I don't feel that breeders should be in different leagues whether you have a champion to show or not. All breeders should be required to know the standard for their breed, the health issues that are dominant in their breed, and the temperment requirements or their breed. All breeders should be striving to improve upon these issues and continually educating themselves in an attempt to do so. Showing is to evaluate breeding stock and is a necessity if you want to breed with an educated eye, the insight of others more knowledgable than yourself is invaluable.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2617269)

You are so right about that...and I have never seen anyone claim otherwise. However, there is a difference in "starting" after lots of research and mentoring and "starting" by jumping in blind and trying to get the all the info from an internet forum. It's the latter of the two scenarios that people have an issue with. Any which way you look at it, it's irresponsible and many have a low tolerance for it.
Generally speaking, if your outlook on breeding is to jump in haphazardly and let the chips fall where they may, then you are likely not going to find many answers or much support here. It's something I really like about YT--people are primarily concerned with the health and well being of this breed...the feelings of the breeder come second.

Originally Posted by tskinner (Post 2618392)

I would think though that coming here to get information would be more valuable than you get get from any books. Granted, there are also mentors, vets, dog shows, etc that one should contact as well but if I had decided to breed I would want to come here and talk with seasoned yorkie lovers. You have some valid points.