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NanaDtreasures 03-17-2008 08:23 AM
I am so sorry
I was hoping she'd make it
I hope the others continue to do well
How sad :(
(((((Dee))))))

katelin 03-17-2008 08:30 AM
Is mom eating at all?? Poor little guys. We'll be thinking good thoughts about all of you.:love:

Sugar's Mom 03-17-2008 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1854817)
Believe me, I know how you feel and you have all my sympathy. Did the mom ever have anesthesia before this time?

This information about feeding newborn puppies has been passed on to me by a very successful show breeder who has been breeding Yorkies for two decades. He told me that the quickest way to set back newborn puppies is to feed them before they are old enough to handle more than their mother's colostrum. I didn't know this before because my vet would always have me tube feed them and I can tell you I did not always have the best outcome.

Good luck. I hope your puppies pull through.
thank you for your kindness. no, she hadn't had it before. The puppies weren't even due for about two more days but mama started struggling to breath and wheezing like an asthma attack. she laid down and wouldn't get up when she did, she couldn't walk so I took her to the vet and he thought she might die if we didn't get the puppies out. he was right about that I think so I agreed and given her breathing problem she didn't do well at all. Plus, I am so pissed at my vet. he only kept her one hour and told me to bring her home. As soon as I walked in with her, she started seizing. He told me to rush her back but I was afraid to do that. She stopped after two seizures but the babies were screaming every breath (effects of the anesthesia). mama couldn't even raise her head up until late the next afternoon so I was trying to calm babies down ,take care of mama, take care of the boy that had his intestines put back in and whew!!!!!!!!!! Well, you can imagine. The three that are left are thriving tho. Thank you for your well wishes.

HallTx1203 03-17-2008 11:13 AM
Ms. Dee.....My thoughts and prayers are with you and the new babies....If anyone can do it, It is you......

Joyce

Rae Rae 03-17-2008 11:17 AM
Dee I'm so sorry about your puppies. I'll keep them in my prayers that their going to be o.k.

Sugar's Mom 03-17-2008 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HallTx1203 (Post 1855653)
Ms. Dee.....My thoughts and prayers are with you and the new babies....If anyone can do it, It is you......

Joyce
thank you Joyce. I think we are on the uphill now. The three remaining puppies are thriving altho I do believe I have another Little Ms. Thang in the bunch. 3.5 ounces. mama is back to her sef and altho she doesn't seem to have an abundance of milk, the babies are growing. I haven't fed them since yesterday. so, i think I can breath now!!!!!:)

Ladyhawk 03-17-2008 12:22 PM
Dee, did your vet speculate on what caused the breathing problems before the c-section and the seizures afterwards? I know this isn't her first litter and she had no problem in the past. What was his prognosis?

ARCHIE 03-17-2008 12:33 PM
I just can't imagine keeping a cool thinking head at a time like the one
you just went through.
Prayer's coming still for the remaining little ones and glad to hear
Mommy is coming back to being herself. Hope you can get a good
night's sleep and rest with a peaceful mind tonight.

011011 03-17-2008 01:20 PM
Dee I am sorry for your loss,you have been put through the ringer ,mentaly and physicaly,whew girl.Glad things are on the mend and maybe you can have some down time now.

Sugar's Mom 03-17-2008 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1855793)
Dee, did your vet speculate on what caused the breathing problems before the c-section and the seizures afterwards? I know this isn't her first litter and she had no problem in the past. What was his prognosis?
No, he didn't other than the fact that her babies were pushing against her lungs. She sounded just like she was having an asthma attack. I think her age might have had a lot to do with it. She turned five last week and this was to be her last litter anyway. but he almost admitted he overdosed her . that is what caused the seizures. I am beginning to think all he knows is what I tell him. She should have never been put under but i got scared because she had five babies. After the fact, he told me her lungs were clear but I wasn't a nurse for twenty five years for nothing. I know her lungs were junky. I also got scared because she couldn't stand up or walk at all. She has always had five and no problems.

Ladyhawk 03-17-2008 02:07 PM
I know it must have been frightening for you when she wouldn't walk. Is she on antibiotics now? Did he ever mention drawing mom's blood, spinning it down to a clear serum and injecting it into the intraperitoneal cavity of the puppy's abdomens? It's a way for the pups to get mom's antibodies when they can't get the colostrum. I just learned about it and find it so logical. Sometimes it amazes me what these vets do not know. I'm so glad that your mom and her 3 angels are doing well. I hope you get that show puppy that you have been yearning for.

Sugar's Mom 03-17-2008 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1856004)
I know it must have been frightening for you when she wouldn't walk. Is she on antibiotics now? Did he ever mention drawing mom's blood, spinning it down to a clear serum and injecting it into the intraperitoneal cavity of the puppy's abdomens? It's a way for the pups to get mom's antibodies when they can't get the colostrum. I just learned about it and find it so logical. Sometimes it amazes me what these vets do not know. I'm so glad that your mom and her 3 angels are doing well. I hope you get that show puppy that you have been yearning for.
No he didn't mention any of that. i thought she was going to die right in my arms. I don't know now about a show prospect. i have a tiny one and one larger one (girls) I am still hoping tho. i swear, it anything like ever happens to me again, I am quitting. i mean it. it has just been awful but I think we are past it now. They finally got large enough for me to dock their little tails today. Waiting until tomorrow to do dewclaws tho.

Ladyhawk 03-17-2008 03:19 PM
Bless your heart. I hope you have smooth sailing from here on out, you've earned it.

WalnutHill 03-27-2009 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1853693)
I have raised many litters and just want to let you know that the overdose of anesthesia that almost killed these pups mama and caused her to have seizures and sleep for almost two days is what killed this puppy. These puppies didn't have a chance to get colstrum or anything else from her. my other one died because it was born with it's intestines outside the body. Thanks for the link tho. I already have the pet Drops and have used them daily. if I seem a little grouchy it's because I am. sorry.
I know this is an old thread, but I just wondered how common it is for pups to be born with the intestines on the outside. One of our little ones was born with the intestines outside - our vet said that she has tried to "fix" about 50 newborns with the same issue, and only 2 ever survived. The little one we had lived about 36 hours.

We had a "fading" puppy a few months ago that died within 24 hours - I am wondering if this was maybe why? Basically, if you aren't there to see the baby born, the mommy could just keep cleaning and cleaning the baby and continue to pull the intestines out, and you'd never "know" why the pup didn't make it.

I just wondered how common it is and if there is a reason why they are born that way (genetic, nutritional deficiency, etc). I mean, is there a way to prevent it?


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