What am trying to say is that I dont have to go to a show to have a judge tell me that my yorkies are stantard to the breed.

It does take some years to breed correctly and that is taking the years of experience from a show breeder or a good breeder that knows the standard and from their years of experience. You shouldn't just take a yorkie that's in standard and breed it just because it's standard...you must know the ins and out's of breeding....
My rule of thumb is more than 3 faults then it's not of quality for breeding :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

IMHO, You can read and study until you are blue in the face and breed until you "think" you have the perfect specimen of the breed, but without hands on evaluation and competing with others of the same breed, you cant get the whole picture. How can you judge movement and structure without showing? Many details are missed and knowledge is not gained by NOT showing. Showing only benefits your breeding program.

I am disagreeing with this point, not on the ethics of good breeders. I totally agree with YOU, about not just sticking 2 yorkies together because they are standard. But I dont think its right for this poster to say that only show people should breed because they have learned the standard.
I think if anybody puts enough time and plenty of research into the yorkie, that they also can decide on what is standard and what is not.

So then again we come to the point, that you can only breed if you show!!!!!
So who sets up this rule, the judges, the people who show, the people who beleive that only show people have the right to breed.
So I have no right to breed. Guess I better pack it all in now then. Stupid me!!!

Ok think about it this way...wouldn't it be fair to say that actually going to shows and watching what's out there, getting to know the show breeders/exhibitors and seeing what's being shown and what should be bred and not be bred because TRUST ME there are some dogs in the ring that shouldn't be there and are bred....so, looking at it from a show breeders experience go to shows see what best fits the standard and talk with those breeders...to me that's one sure fire way of learning the right way whether you show or not :)
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

You have a right to do anything you want. What I am saying is that it only benefits you, the breeder, to compete in the show ring. If you want to know if your dogs are conformationally correct, how do you judge it at home? Who do you compare to? Do you compare your dogs to a book or the neighbors dog?

Yes that is a good way to think about it. And actually thats just what I have been looking into. :) . I have never been to any shows, and thats something that I really want to do. So I have been checking out to see if we have any lined up here. And as soon as 1 is close enough to me, I'll be at it.:D .

And anything that benefits me is good, I no. But that is still saying to me that only show people should breed. Maybe we should just agree to disagree on this 1. But I still think that there are some very good breeders out there that dont show.

I'm not saying pack it in because sounds to me you want to do the right thing but what we are trying to point out is go to the shows, talk to the breeders and find what best fits the standard and do more research and you'll find what type of yorkie you like because not all show breeders will agree on what they like in a yorkie. Thats why it's so hard to breed these fabulous creatures. Even judges don't judge the way I like but I know from being in the show ring and being around the shows and finding my mentor has helped me in what I do know.
This is going to be long but it's to show you the difference in what a show breeder/exhibitor differs in their interputation of the standard in the ring....I know some exhibitors that like nothing but a long beautiful coat and cute face but have no regard as to the structure and movement, the texture of the coat or the color, they convince themselves that that black coat is actually a dark steel blue ( I have to laugh at those people because they are color blind cough cough ). Then you have those that like nothing but a pretty head and small ear set and forget about it may have health issues as in an obivious bad rear maybe even crippled but in that hard stack we are taught to do hard to see how the rear is crippled unless you are watching it show in the ring....so you see it is important to get out to the shows see what's being show and if it's up to standard and if you find one you like and it's what you find to be the best representation of the breed get with that breeder and get to know them prehaps let them mentor you.
I hope this helps in some way as to why going to a show and getting to know what's out there is very important!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

. Yes I am trying my best to do the best for the breed. So I guess what I have done is have the kids before I got married. :D

I think we all agree that the number one priority is health of our yorkies and those we produce...That being said ...A yorkie with beautiful movement and great structure is one with a sound body...Often times a dog high in the rear is also suffering from poor knees...The whole outside appearance is part of the whole picture of the Yorkie...

I did not start out showing but I did sit ringside for about 5 years or more watching, comparing, and learning...Then we started exhibiting, getting to know some yorkie show folks, getting the opportunity to actually feel the structure of other yorkies...Learning from others with more experience than myself...It all has been very beneficial and we have gained so much from it all...It really helps to develop your eye for evaluating your dogs...

It is our responsibility to make the breed we have chosen and love to be the best it can be!...Their future is in our hands!

~Laura

I'm clapping my hands for you!!! YAH!!!! Well said!!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorksire Terriers

Yes, it was well said!!!!

I want one of those ringside table covers LOL I love it!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Did I say you were a BYB, Dee? You've started showing with UKC. Find a mentor or stick with Rose as a show buddy and keep it up. If you want to produce excellence you're only going to acheive it through education. Learning from those who have gone before you in the show ring is the place to start. Some things require hands on and personal eye examination and that can be found at shows and breed club meetings.

Oh my gosh isn't that the truth! I don't know Sugar's Mom and I'm not directing anything at her :) But for me hands on and by attending shows and my breed club I learned so much and I still continue to learn by going to the shows. I've met some wonderful people. I wouldn't be where I am today if not for my mentors and going and continuing to show! :)
Personally, I don't care for the breeding aspect of this, showing is where my passion lies..

I'd be a doggy midwife if there was a call for it but showing is where the education and the contacts are made. It's easy to evaluate the obvious, the topline, earset, balance in the face and squareness of the body. Where I still need help is in evaluating a good front and rear, correct pasterns, and proper angulation. In so many areas correct structure is related to soundness as in bowlegged rear contributing to LPs. It's all connected and just too important to not get out there and put the work in to learn all that I can. Some day I hope to have developed a great eye, for now I'll pass everything through my mentor and other show veterns.

There is so much for me to learn also! You can come be our doggy midwife if you want LOL..I hate the whelping part UGH UGH UGH!

[quote=Brooklynn;1697113]:D Darn it.....I just knew it....lol
Debbi who thought she'd been banned. First I couldnt get yorkietalk AT ALL...
Then I could read but not post ...

By the way, I noticed that Groveshires has Squirrel's Porshe Boxster now. Are any of your dogs out of him? He was part of my pedigree search for Carly, she is his great grand daughter.

I've always been fascinated with dog and cat shows. I think it would be so much fun to show personally. But, like you, I have no interest in breeding. Even if I have a show quality animal one day, I don't want to breed it....too much work LOL. Dog shows seem to be so different than cat shows. I've been to more cat shows than dog shows & both of my cats came from show breeders (my youngest one came from a wonderful show breeder that I've had many conversations with). In the cat world, there is also a spayed/neutered class called Premiership...the standards are still the same, but the cat is spayed/neutered. I may be interested in trying that out one day...buying a show quality cat from my breeder and showing in premiership. I would be all fun and no breeding :p Because cats have a spayed/neutered class, it's easier to get into the cat show world. If you've gained the trust of a cat show breeder, they'll sell you a spayed/neutered show-quality cat to show in premiership...it teaches you how to show and gets you started in the show world...without them worrying about you screwing up their lines. I think it's kindof neat. Maybe I'll try that out one day. Showing dogs sounds fun to, but probably more than I'm willing to get involved in LOL. I'll probably just stick to buying well-bred pets :)

Sorry...I know that was really kindof off-topic but just something I'm personally interested in

I don't have Squirrels in my pedigree I don't think...Radar is out of mostly Aero out of Canada and VERY little NicNak

Hey anything that is light and fun to talk about is always a breath of fresh air...but I'm not really into cats LOL...I do breed but I'm not fond of it but it sorta comes with my passion. If I didn't have to breed I wouldn't but I can't afford to purchase a show dog every year LOL and then show it and then again breeding isn't cheap either...but at least I have my own dam and sire which I think are the best! I love my male! He's the ultimate in my opinion LOL...I just love his lines!

I guess I just think it's neat that the cat show world has a place for spayed/neutered cats too. So you can still show but not breed. The spayed/neutered cats are held to the same standard as the unaltered cats. I guess there is really no point to the Premiership other than fun & the love of showing since you aren't breeding these cats, but I think it's a fun option for those that love to show but don't want to breed. And, like I said, it makes it easier on showing newbies because most cat show breeders are willing to sell a spayed/neutered cat to someone to show in premiership because they can't screw up the breeders lines. So it's a good way for a showing newbie to get started out in the show world

No, you didn't and I was only joking around with you. I know you know I am showing a little. AND, I am hoping to meet you real soon and learn from you:)

It is so hard to find a mentor in this area. Rose and I have had to wing it on our own with the showing andd breeding also. The show breeders we know here are no more than a puppymill so we don't want to fool with them and as far as regular breeders, well, Rosse and I are about the only ones that have a decnet breeding program. One of the disadvantages of living in rural kentucky. Even most of the shows are an eight hour drive for us so we are really limited but trying hard.

Keep it up :) Working hard for what you want will be a big reward in the long run! :)

Donna

Well you gals keep on trying. I no yous will succeed. :thumbup:

Delores here is three Show breeders/YTCA members in KY.
There are several more responsible show breeders in your state that are not YTCA members but definitely not puppymills.

Moonlight
Constance Conn
London KY
40741
(606) 843-0204
(606) 843-0204
Moonlt@iwarp.net
P A S R

Orwick
Robert Owen
Elizabethtown KY
42701-2159
(270) 737-1079
owen@kvnet.org
P S

Stringer's
Anna Stringer
Bowling Green KY
42103-9076
(270) 781-4742
ceara98@aol.com
P A S