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Sugar's Mom 01-12-2008 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1667746)
I don't know why you think there is nothing closer than five gens back. i counted 11 champions just now in his three with Ch. Crosswinds Custom Imprint being his grandsire. As far as Roberta and her Rothy's Rene-gade, my Renegade is only named after him. I believe I said that. I am not hung up on the line. I think it is nice that he is in Renny's pedigree and I really liked the name but the stuff in the front of renny's pedigree is just as impressive, maybe more, than the stuff at the tail end of it. depending on who you talk to.

i stand corrected by MYSELF:D Guess I need to learn how to read pedigrees and count the gens better. Sorry Tami.

yorkiekist 01-12-2008 03:18 PM
One of my dogs has a similar pedigree to Renny. I never showed him as he doesnt have "ring" attitude. Charkara lives is Surprise, AZ, Le Chaz is in New Mexico(I think) and Tea Time and Magshire are in Colorado. Lots of dogs have Rene'gade. He produced soooooo many champions and champion producers. Code Talker wasnt shown as he ended up being to big, but Gater ws a big boy also. Good luck with your boy!!And puppies!

Susan123 01-12-2008 03:47 PM
With all this talk about that beautiful boy "getting around" I figured I should check my dogs lol. Lo and behold, he's 3 generations back.

Good luck with your boy

Sugar's Mom 01-12-2008 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 1667881)
With all this talk about that beautiful boy "getting around" I figured I should check my dogs lol. Lo and behold, he's 3 generations back.

Good luck with your boy
He was a beautiful dog wasn't he. I have a magazine with a color picture in it. Sure looks nothing like my Renny. Renny favors the Crosswinds lines, I think. he has taken his size from the Shomar's tho. It was so funny when I first got Renny, I was gaga over seeing Renegade in his pedigree but as I begin to research the names up front, I am really impressed and blessed to have a dog of this calibur. I still like those little ole feisty Judabob gals tho. I wish I could find me a couple more like kandy and Frankie but the oldd Judabobs are very hard to find and most are about as old as mine. I wouldn't want a younger one that was born after Mrs. Parsley sold the line.

Susan123 01-12-2008 06:58 PM
Like Yorkiekist said, Gator's produced so many champions and champion producers. He's a legend for sure....

I think you're right about the Judabob line.... unless a good breeder got a few and knew what they were doing.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 1668381)
Like Yorkiekist said, Gator's produced so many champions and champion producers. He's a legend for sure....

I think you're right about the Judabob line.... unless a good breeder got a few and knew what they were doing.
From what Mrs. Parsleys daughter told me last Summer, the line has fallen into the hands of a very unethical breeder but the kids ruined the linee before it was sold. I was planning on driving to Florida to bring two or three girls back directly from the kennel.. Frankie and Kandy's sire is still living and being used for breeding but their Dam passed from a blood clot after an unexpected C-Section. So very sad, Mrs. Parsley hass Alzheimers. But, her children are the nicest people ever. They just had no interest in perserving the line.

CO_yorkie_momma 01-13-2008 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1666971)
5 generations back is not close but with Le Chaz closer it looks good. This little guy should be able to stand on his own. When I was in NY last year I walked up to Bobbie (Rothby) and proudly announced that I have a dog out of her gator. She kinda rolled her eyes and said "how nice". I wondered a little until I realized that he's in half the dogs in this countries ped. My mentor told me Sunday to stop telling people where Connor came from and tell them where he's going. Aim your boy for the top!
I bet that made you feel real good:( . She could have at least put on a smile and tried not to be such a snob. Connor is doing great and you should be proud of him. :thumbup:

CO_yorkie_momma 01-13-2008 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1666952)
Yers under future stud.
Thanks Dee, I missed it the first time. It says he is black and gold but his picture doesnt look that way.

Susan123 01-13-2008 08:20 AM
That's a real shame, she's worked so hard to produce a nice line. I'd rather the line end then for it to be ruin with bad breedings (If it were my years of work). Bless her heart, it must've hit her fast for her not to plan well.

Ladyhawk 01-13-2008 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1669064)
I bet that made you feel real good:( . She could have at least put on a smile and tried not to be such a snob. Connor is doing great and you should be proud of him. :thumbup:
Well, I'm a newbie and I've had to learn that tossing names around is not going to impress these old timers. You have to be ready to show them through your actions. They could care less about the names behind your dog if your not behind that dog in the ring. Connor just needs coat because I have ruined it so often during my learning process. Structurally he's got it so with some patience we'll get there. Mom just has alot to learn. He's throwing beautiful pups and is endlessly patient with me so I couldn't have asked for a better first show dog. Not bad for a little no name.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1669069)
Thanks Dee, I missed it the first time. It says he is black and gold but his picture doesnt look that way.
he isn't. he will be the correct blue and gold if he head finishes turning:confused: he is mostly dark blue on his body now with a little black left. His mother and father are both blue/gold and all his "kin". i don't have a clue as to why the breeder put black and gold. I always put the parents color on my puppy papers becausee everyone knows they are all born black/tan/gold and they are going to turn.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 1669147)
That's a real shame, she's worked so hard to produce a nice line. I'd rather the line end then for it to be ruin with bad breedings (If it were my years of work). Bless her heart, it must've hit her fast for her not to plan well.
I think it did and Susan, did you know that even tho she founded the Judabob line and finished many championss herself, she championed as many Wildweir dogs as she did Judabob. That was surprising to me. She was the ultimate show woman "back in the day" she is close to ninty years old now. In fact she might have passed. it was March last year when I was heading down that way and called to inquire. her daughter and son talked to me for hours on two different days. One of Mrs. Parsley's sons and HIS son had just been buried the day before I called and she wasn't even aware of it. i only wish I had gotten to know her before all this.

YorkieRose 01-13-2008 10:42 AM
Gator
 
I loved Gator, but would be interested in knowing how many of you actaully saw him in the flseh...he was no a small Yrokie, infact Bobbie said shedid nto show him for a long time due to size, he was so much bigger then pups in his class..and even after she took him back to finish and special, many judges did not look at him twice in BOB...

YorkieRose 01-13-2008 10:58 AM
Lol
 
Tami...if you want really "unimpress", toss out names to old timers..you are only as good as your next best thing..LOL if the dog is not champion himself or its parents AND grandparents, we seldom look further in the pedigree...

The puppy/dog itself is generation one, parents two, grandparents three...

I am not putting any dog down who's pedigree has or will be discussed...but this is the way it is...we can breed so carefully for 3, 4, 5 generations and see it turned into average pet quality in one breeding..by two gens is pure pet...this sounds harsh, but I tell you the truth...i

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1669481)
I loved Gator, but would be interested in knowing how many of you actaully saw him in the flseh...he was no a small Yrokie, infact Bobbie said shedid nto show him for a long time due to size, he was so much bigger then pups in his class..and even after she took him back to finish and special, many judges did not look at him twice in BOB...
he really was very pretty. I thought he looked small and dainty in the color picture I saw of him. Just goes to show, looks can be deceiving. renny is a big guy. I hope the judges look at him. you never know what a judge will like. he only weighs five pounds but has a long neck andd longer legs than I like. kind of gangly looking. he is a sweetie tho. but I am hoping his babies will throw back to his parents and Frankie's side.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1669523)
Tami...if you want really "unimpress", toss out names to old timers..you are only as good as your next best thing..LOL if the dog is not champion himself or its parents AND grandparents, we seldom look further in the pedigree...

The puppy/dog itself is generation one, parents two, grandparents three...

I am not putting any dog down who's pedigree has or will be discussed...but this is the way it is...we can breed so carefully for 3, 4, 5 generations and see it turned into average pet quality in one breeding..by two gens is pure pet...this sounds harsh, but I tell you the truth...i

You are correct as always pat. Anyhow, this thread was meant to post my joy over possible new babies for my first time stud. not to discuss pedigrees. BUT, I took MY OWN thread off topic. No one to blame but lil ole me:p i will eagerly be waiting for that 28th day ultrasound and then waiting to see what gorgeous babies I have. i know I am counting my chickens before they hatch but i would like to be able to keep a couple of girls out of this litter if they look to suit me.

YorkieRose 01-13-2008 03:18 PM
male
 
You have a lovely potential, I wish you all the best with him and what he produces, which I am sure will be very, very nice. He is far from big...compared to Gator and should have no problems..

Ladyhawk 01-13-2008 03:32 PM
Big does fine if they are a great dog otherwise. Look at Chandler, weighing in at 6.5 pounds, he's the number 1 yorkie in the country.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1670073)
You have a lovely potential, I wish you all the best with him and what he produces, which I am sure will be very, very nice. He is far from big...compared to Gator and should have no problems..


Thank you so much for your encouragement. You and Tami are the best!!!!!!

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1670116)
Big does fine if they are a great dog otherwise. Look at Chandler, weighing in at 6.5 pounds, he's the number 1 yorkie in the country.
Well, we got the 'big' working hard on the "otherwise":)

YorkieRose 01-13-2008 05:49 PM
size
 
6.5 is notbig IMO...seriously, Yorkies of 10/12 yrs past were BIG...I saw many 8 and 10 pound champions being specialed...so at 5 pounds I would say Rennie is ideal size today...

topknot 01-13-2008 06:23 PM
Against many of the other Toy breeds - a larger yorkie just is seen better in the Toy line up, not to mention the all breed line up. It is just a known fact.
T.

Sugar's Mom 01-13-2008 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 1670485)
6.5 is notbig IMO...seriously, Yorkies of 10/12 yrs past were BIG...I saw many 8 and 10 pound champions being specialed...so at 5 pounds I would say Rennie is ideal size today...
he has been doing well at conformation. Major problem right now is that he gets carsick every time he rides. i have been taking him out every day this week and in less than a milee he is sick. Don't quite know how to handle that since we drive an hour each way to conformation class. any ideas?

topknot 01-13-2008 06:30 PM
He is still young. They usually grow out of it. You can put more air on him from the A/C or fan up and that seems to help my younger ones going for a ride for the first time. I understand and have been there showing a 6 months old and she threw up from being car sick. The air does seem to work. Let me know if it works on him too.
T.

YorkieRose 01-13-2008 06:35 PM
size etc
 
I can admire any size and I do like them a touch bigger...

Carsickness is a problem for sure. I had a male who got so sick he couldn't sit up after a few barfs..I got scared. People say ground Ginger works, no clue how much....my daughters Yorkie got sick for a couple years, then we hit on putting her in a wire cage..as long as she can see out, she is fine, a closed carrier made her sick.

Brooklynn 01-13-2008 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 1670595)
He is still young. They usually grow out of it. You can put more air on him from the A/C or fan up and that seems to help my younger ones going for a ride for the first time. I understand and have been there showing a 6 months old and she threw up from being car sick. The air does seem to work. Let me know if it works on him too.
T.
I still have a yorkie that is 2 and still gets car sick so I give a half of bonine 30 minutes before traveling even to my 6 month old and it works wonders. I don't have to worry about throwing up :)

pea496 01-13-2008 07:13 PM
Conner was a year old before he got out of being carsick. Good luck on your new babies. I'm sure they will be beautiful.

Ladyhawk 01-14-2008 04:34 AM
Danali gets car sick too. The judge had me take her around twice trying toget some animation out of her last weekend but she just didn't have it in her. I was told to give them a ginger snap but I may try a bromine as well. She usually loves to show cause she's an attention hog, I really felt bad for her. She was so wet when we got there that I had to take the blow dryer to her. I was feeling a bit green as well from 3.5 hrs. in the back of the van so we made a sad little team. Dee, the best way to do it is just get in there and go for it. Take your guy to the special in March and let Laurie help you out. She's a wealth of information and a wonderful encourager and you'll have the best time.

Sugar's Mom 01-14-2008 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1670663)
I still have a yorkie that is 2 and still gets car sick so I give a half of bonine 30 minutes before traveling even to my 6 month old and it works wonders. I don't have to worry about throwing up :)
I have dramimine. Wonder if that will work? I am afraid of giving him something that will make him drowsy. I sure don't want him to be asleep and not perform well. he is 14 months old so he ought to start outgrowing this. He got so sick last week, I had to take him to the bathroom and wash hiss face and beard before I could work with him in the ring. Does the bonine make them drowsy? I am going out today so I can get him some.

Sugar's Mom 01-14-2008 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1671151)
Danali gets car sick too. The judge had me take her around twice trying toget some animation out of her last weekend but she just didn't have it in her. I was told to give them a ginger snap but I may try a bromine as well. She usually loves to show cause she's an attention hog, I really felt bad for her. She was so wet when we got there that I had to take the blow dryer to her. I was feeling a bit green as well from 3.5 hrs. in the back of the van so we made a sad little team. Dee, the best way to do it is just get in there and go for it. Take your guy to the special in March and let Laurie help you out. She's a wealth of information and a wonderful encourager and you'll have the best time.
I am planning on taking Renny and Pretty Tail (Jewel Theif) both but now that I have bred Renny, those babies will be due about March 12th so that might put a damper on things.


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