Placing a Female in Pet Home, need opinions please
 

OK, darn I have a headache from this. I am looking for a pet home for our 2 yr old female. Because of her skin condition spaying her before placing her is not an option right now. I have decided to place her with an adoption agreement, originally I wasnt going to provide registration papers at all but thought it would be nice of me to consider once proof of spay was received. I have someone interested, from the beginning I told her she would get no papers at this time. So she tried again and says can we reconsider because of proof of ownership. I turned around and told her, her proof of ownership would be the adoption form. She said fine, not a problem. A week has passed with us chatting, all was well until today before we planned for her to pick her up. Once again, this time can I give her a copy of her AKC. After much thinking I said no, no copy, no original. I did offer she could see them and gave her the AKC#. I have explained my thoughts on this, I dont see why they are necessary when you are adopting a dog to a pet home. Am i missing something??

You could give a copy with the date of registration marked out so you are unable to use it to register any dogs by her. That date is all people need to register litters of puppies. I would think that would be fine?? That is what I would do until proof of spay is done. Unless you don't feel right about that either. You are the seller after all!!

Below is some of what she wrote on the 2nd reason why she wants a copy..........

The reason we asked for a copy was for the vet. He wants to check back through her bloodline to see if the skin problem she is having is heriditary. It will give him a much better idea of how to treat her if he knows if this something she inheridited from her mother or if she developed this on her own. It will also show that if this is a heriditary condition we can contact the AKC and stop the breeding from her mother so that no other puppy has to go through this. As you have done we have asked other people too, including the AKC and they say we should be leary of people who will not give up the papers, because the papers actually belong to the dog not the owner.

I would find a new pet home and forget this one.

I would have reservations about letting this person adopt my girl. Dogs are adopted out all the time without papers so that should not be a red flag to anyone. Once the vet finds out what the condition is what does it matter if it's inherited or developed, shouldn't it just be treated for what it is? I wouldn't trust the situation...especially since you are letting your female go un-spayed.

She wouldn't need the dogs papers to trace her lineage, a copy of the pedigree should be enough. Alot of breeders don't sign over the papers until proof of spay. I don't know why this woman is so troubled by it.

I would be leary of this person. Something doesn't sound right.

Just remember , you are offering the dog for adoption , you get to do things your way. If someone wants papers, when you told them no to begin with, Red flags should be going up for you.

AKC , does not care about her skin condition and will not pull her mother from a breeding program, and as far as I know vets do not know enough about a yorkie pedigree to help you out there either, sounds like a bunch of bull to me.

You need to protect your girl , I have never heard of any vet that would not spay a dog with a skin condition either....

Sounds strange to me.

I don't know where you are located in PA - But I have a friend who lives in Northern NJ (along Rte. 80) and we have been searching and searching for a female for her.

My friends name is Patty and she is over 50. She is single and her adult daughter lives with her. They have a bird and a cat. They have a had few pets over the years, but have all passed on.

Her last dog was a Maltese and just recently passed away. It took a while but Patty is finally ready to open her home again. AKC paper do not matter to her at all. And I can guarantee you 100% that she would have her spayed, no doubt about that. She has a great relationship with her Vet.

Anyway, if you are still looking for a home for your female and think Patty would be a good candidate, please PM and I will give you Patty's contact information so you can speak with her further.

Thanks!

from a person who has no desire to ever breed my dog, papers are really not necessary. If she really has no intentions of breeding her then why is she so hooked on getting her papers? Because she knows she can ask more money for the pups if they are registered...I could be wrong

100% correct you should move on she is not serious.

Yeah, something doesn't sound right too... I advise to find a new pet home. Goodluck!

Yea, this person sounds way to hung up on the papers, I would be very leery of her intentions. You told her from the get go, no papers:eek:
Martha

You should jump on this!! This lady sounds perfect:)

I agree.

There is no need for the papers if you don't want to breed (IMO). It sounds funny to me that this person keeps bringing it up when you've told her that she can't have the papers...

I agree with everyone else...don't do it :thumbdown :thumbdown
I have two that I do not have papers, did not want them, I am not ever going to breed I could never give the babies up :D

I agree with everyone else. Especially if you offerend to show them to her, what more could she want? By just showing them to her, that should be enough.

Thanks, I needed to feel that I wasnt the only one thinking something is not right. She sounded nice, even met our dog already but since she had met her on the very same day she contacted me to express interest we did not let her take her home and I told her we needed more time to make sure we selected the right home. I just didnt feel comfortable handing our dog to someone I hadnt had much of an opportunity to get to know. This is a first for me to encounter someone like this about papers, turned me off from the beginning but I gave her a chance, it was not an issue for the past week we have talked, I was going to let her adopt, until it was brought up again today. I felt like I must have stupid on my head, I know AKC has nothing to do with a dogs health, Vets checking out the health of lineage, wow wldnt that be a blessing for us breeders, a miracle Vet. None of her reasons made any sense to me and even after telling her what I know it hasnt stopped her from replying to me.

dray,
I called like 6 Vets and none would want to spay her right now and not until her condition is more under control. She also cannot be vaccinated and most Vets require they are before performing a spay. Her skin condition is Demodex, they do not want to cause her immune system to lower.
I havent been able to commit to the daily/weekly x-care she requires, which is why I decided to start looking for a pet home that could continue.

She must be in bad shape , what are they treating her with for the mange?

She replied to me and this is what she had to say......

You are missing the whole point. Anyone can adopt her without the papers that is not going to stop them from breeding her, especially someone who runs a puyppymill. Anyone can tell you they will agree with you and sign the papers but there is nothing stopping them from not getting her spayed and breeding her. They won't care that she doesn't have papers. The only problem they will have is not being able to sell the puppies for $800 - $1000, they will just sell them for $500 or so. They are not going to be worried about her condition which I feel is the bottom line. Like I told your husband I have been looking for a Yorkie puppy for a while now and have no problem paying $1,000 for one with papers. We answered your ad because she was an older puppy, with health conditions, you weren't that far from us and we have no interest in doing any breeding. Since I am home all the time I thought that it would be great to be able to help a puppy who needs consistant care instead of getting one that won't need me much after a few months. It was on the suggestion of my doctor that I get a dog. You can screen people till you are blue in the face but you are never going to be 100% sure of what their intentions are. All I can say is that the only interest we have in her is to correct her condition to the best of our abilities and have her for a family pet, besides I don't think that I'm healthy enough to deal with all the mess of breeding and puppies. The ultimate decission is up to you to do what you feel is best but please let me know so that I can start looking around again if you do decide to not let us adopt her

Our first Yorkie had Demodex...it can be treated but it does take time, money and a real devotion to their care. Once Boog got over the initial case and treatments he never had any trouble with it again and when he was better we had him neutered. I wish you luck finding a home for your little girl...it's out there and you'll know when you find it. :)

Hmmm.. that's a toughie... she seems so sincere about it.

Even though I have no interest in breeding, I like having my pets' registration papers. My youngest cat came from a wonderful show breeder and was spayed early before I brought her home. Her breeder had sent the litter registration in late and didn't have the papers to give me when I took her home and said she would mail them to me as soon as she got them. Well, she was really busy and kept forgetting to send them (I was almost afraid I was never going to get them)..I e-mailed her several times to remind her and finally got them. My cat was already spayed and obviously I didn't plan to breed her, but it's still important to me to have her papers. I just like having them and getting a copy of the pedigrees. I know it's just a piece of paper but I like having them.

I don't know this person interested in adopting your girl so I'm not siding with them at all...they may in fact have bad intentions..I don't know. But I just wanted to show that some people do like to have the papers even if they just have their dog for a pet. I would only place the dog with them if you felt 99.9999% certain they'll be a good home for her and have her spayed. If you place her with them, I wouldn't give them the papers until after she is spayed.

I will try and repost this and hope it doesnt come up twice:rolleyes:
She is being treated with Ivermectin oral liquid daily, weekly baths with antiseptic shampoo(malaseb or chlorhexidine). She was on clavamox antibiotics for a month but finished. She doesnt have the hair loss like you see in some pictures but has lots of dandruff/crust.

I am glad she is getting the meds and bathing that she needs to get better or at least control it. Some dogs will be fighting this forever. It can be a lot of work , I hope this woman is well enough to take care of her.
She sounds like she really wants her, maybe she would settle for a copy of the papers until the spay is done.

Well said! I have 2 babies... one female (1.5 yrs old) and one male (7.5 months old) both AKC and both spayed/neutered but I still wanted their papers. I guess you just have to go with your gut instinct about this lady. :) Good Luck!

Our Pug was found to have that condition on her head when she was about seven months old. We treated her with the baths and meds and etc that were very expensive. It never did spread but upon learning of this, our vet spayed her when she finished her course of medication

Please just remember, anyone can write anything and make it sound good. If your gut is tellling you that something is wrong then go with your gut. I have learned over the years to learn to trust my inner voice. It would be one thing if it was a vase but this is a living creature and if you are wrong and this is a bad situation then a lot of harm could come to your dog.

If you are not interested in turning your dog over to a reputable rescue organization who is trained in finding a good home then I suggest you call the Humane Society, animal control and also rescue in your area to see if they know anything about this person. Did this person give you a vet reference? Then call this vet to see what they know about this person.

My gut is telling me something is wrong with all of this. I would rather error on the safe side for my dog.

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I would simply tell the interested party I have decided to keep and treat her..when she 100% and spayed you will think about placing at that time..thanks for understanding....and Good bye.
If this person takes your female, it is only the start of your headaches...