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livingdustmops 04-22-2010 02:45 PM
Jim, thanks for the article..I had not seen that before. Here are many that I have read right off of the AKC website.

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/delega...pt02_forum.pdf

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gemy 04-22-2010 02:46 PM
Okay some of the changes we as breeders and pure bred dog enthusiasts could ask for is:

1. Only provisional championships given until each prov CH has submitted breed specific health tests .. such tests as required to be first recommended by the breed specific national clubs to the AKC and then agreed to by the AKC.
2. Any volumne breeders must test for all breed specific issues for the dam/sire and submit those test results to the AKC prior to being able to register their dogs with the AKC, as well as DNA testing on dam/sire.
3.All breeders must submit DNA sampling for their dogs into the database.
4. For working Breeds, one working title must be earned before full CH is given as well as all the health tests as described in number one above.
5. All breeders will show that all pups they wish to permanently register with the AKC will be temperament tested to breed specific requirements.
6. Every breeder of over 50 puppies a year will be inspected annually to conduct a full audit of safe breeding practices, kennel conditions, health procedures, socialization regimes,.


This is only a start

livingdustmops 04-22-2010 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3097331)
Okay some of the changes we as breeders and pure bred dog enthusiasts could ask for is:

1. Only provisional championships given until each prov CH has submitted breed specific health tests .. such tests as required to be first recommended by the breed specific national clubs to the AKC and then agreed to by the AKC.
2. Any volumne breeders must test for all breed specific issues for the dam/sire and submit those test results to the AKC prior to being able to register their dogs with the AKC, as well as DNA testing on dam/sire.
3.All breeders must submit DNA sampling for their dogs into the database.
4. For working Breeds, one working title must be earned before full CH is given as well as all the health tests as described in number one above.
5. All breeders will show that all pups they wish to permanently register with the AKC will be temperament tested to breed specific requirements.
6. Every breeder of over 50 puppies a year will be inspected annually to conduct a full audit of safe breeding practices, kennel conditions, health procedures, socialization regimes,.


This is only a start
I am going to have to think about some of your suggestions...:)

I really would love to see AKC get out of the volume breeder business..period and I would love to come up with ideas to help them make more $$$ so their dogs are the premier dogs as they used to be.

I am totally opposed to volume breeders and I am sick of what happens to those animals along with the financial responsibility put on the public (taxes) and rescue organizations.

Woogie Man 04-22-2010 03:21 PM
Gemy, I like your start. I've wondered why breed specific health testing wasn't required for conformation. I mean, dogs are being championed to prove they are breed worthy. How can that be without requiring health testing? This omission makes it appear that conformation is basically a beauty pageant. I know some breeders do go the full measure in testing their dogs, but without it being required, it really defeats the main purpose of showing.

Now, how do you get Andrew Hunte out of bed with the AKC?

Honestly, AKC has created more problems for itself beyond show requirements.

dwerten 04-22-2010 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097353)
I am going to have to think about some of your suggestions...:)

I really would love to see AKC get out of the volume breeder business..period and I would love to come up with ideas to help them make more $$$ so their dogs are the premier dogs as they used to be.

I am totally opposed to volume breeders and I am sick of what happens to those animals along with the financial responsibility put on the public (taxes) and rescue organizations.
hey what about the financial responsibility of us uneducated pet owners lolllll who buy from them loll

livingdustmops 04-22-2010 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3097570)
hey what about the financial responsibility of us uneducated pet owners lolllll who buy from them loll
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying? or meaning?:)

dwerten 04-22-2010 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097057)
I would love to know if this is going on in other countries also with their top Kennel Clubs. Is this a universal problem?
have you seen the videos on youtube of the king Charles cavalier breed in England and what is happening with them - syringomyalia - so i think they allow things in other countries as well that are hurting the breed



dwerten 04-22-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097574)
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying? or meaning?:)
lol this statement below as when the owners cannot afford the vet bills due to poor breeding they end up with the rescues or in the pound

I am totally opposed to volume breeders and I am sick of what happens to those animals along with the financial responsibility put on the public (taxes) and rescue organizations.

livingdustmops 04-22-2010 05:42 PM
Yes, I am fully aware of this and what happened in England with Crufts. That is another whole issue....my question was more directed at mills and not the breeding/health process.

dwerten 04-22-2010 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097599)
Yes, I am fully aware of this and what happened in England with Crufts. That is another whole issue....my question was more directed at mills and not the breeding/health process.
oh ok as it upsets me that they are aware of this and still breeding these dogs :( it is so sad as the dog and the owner suffer when they should not be breeding these dogs.

it is just heart breaking as many new pet owners do not know what a puppy mill is - I know i did not :( Trust me you start learning alot more when your dog becomes sick though :( of what mistakes you made

livingdustmops 04-22-2010 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3097607)
oh ok as it upsets me that they are aware of this and still breeding these dogs :( it is so sad as the dog and the owner suffer when they should not be breeding these dogs.

it is just heart breaking as many new pet owners do not know what a puppy mill is - I know i did not :( Trust me you start learning alot more when your dog becomes sick though :( of what mistakes you made
The Crufts situation was not because of mill dogs..it was of because of breeders trying to breed to a standard or what they thought were judges desires for certain breeds looks in a dog. At some point people (breeders) forgot the health of the dogs. They almost crippled the german shepard because of this, many dalmations are deaf..but again this is another whole topic and is not due to mills.

dwerten 04-22-2010 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097620)
The Crufts situation was not because of mill dogs..it was of because of breeders trying to breed to a standard or what they thought were judges desires for certain breeds looks in a dog. At some point people (breeders) forgot the health of the dogs. They almost crippled the german shepard because of this, many dalmations are deaf..but again this is another whole topic and is not due to mills.
ok thanks yeah still makes me mad lollll I will stick on topic - i just get tired of seeing so many sick dogs when some of this stuff can be avoided including the puppy mill puppies

Woogie Man 04-22-2010 06:09 PM
Those videos are sad to watch. The complete lapse of ethics is unfathomable. Not only are the breeders using these studs relentlessly, the judges are awarding ribbons to dogs they know are unsound. Not directly related to this issue, but it does show there are problems within other K.C.s.

megansmomma 04-22-2010 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3097620)
The Crufts situation was not because of mill dogs..it was of because of breeders trying to breed to a standard or what they thought were judges desires for certain breeds looks in a dog. At some point people (breeders) forgot the health of the dogs. They almost crippled the german shepard because of this, many dalmations are deaf..but again this is another whole topic and is not due to mills.
This is such an informative top regarding the AKC and I agree that breeding for show and mass breeding are two totally different topics. I am very interested in the idea put out by Gemy. :thumbup: That is a very different spin on this issue. How would you go about putting something like that into play?

livingdustmops 04-22-2010 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3097635)
ok thanks yeah still makes me mad lollll I will stick on topic - i just get tired of seeing so many sick dogs when some of this stuff can be avoided including the puppy mill puppies
It can be avoided if people would do their homework about breeders and petshops before they rush into purchasing a dog in a lot of cases. Also as more states bring on puppy lemon laws and breeders have to pay bills etc then more changes will come about. Not all diseases can be stopped .. it is almost to late in some breeds situations but I know AKC is paying for some health testing and many breed clubs along with their rescue/foundation organizations are also.


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