Using a crate like a punishment turns their bed/den area into a cage...have you ever just done a time out...like just putting her in another room away from you...distraction and just taking away love and attention is far more effective thAn, psychological, physical and fear induced punishments.

Be sure you use a dog whistle..otherwise you'll annoy yourself...and they in general seem to be more effective for some reason according to the trainer here you give command, blow it, give command...and repeat up to three time in repetition...if it doesn't work doggy tie out in the room...for up to 1 mn. then repeat...repetition is key for training.

Geez I'm an opinionated poster on this thread lol!

Any who I have always found it amazing of dogs we bark stuff at them they can't possibly understand and expect them to obey...and yet eventually they do...but they bark at us and we don't even try to understand we just shush them...

I bought one of those little things that you put a battery in and if they bark more than twice it emits a sound that hurts their ears although we can't hear it. It works pretty well. You can set it anywhere and it has a range. You can pick them up at petsmart.

However, I might say, that it isn't with me everywhere and my little ones just need to 'let it all out'. Makes me nuts sometimes, and I really don't know what to do. I guess I don't train well or something, my dogs don't have the best manners. :(

A bark off? I don't think it "hurts" their ears it's made to distract them the frequency of some anti rodent plug ins can hurt dog's ears though...if someone knows otherwise I'd really like to know...I bought several many bark offs to put outside...stinky neighbor dog would go crazy barking at my dogs in our yard from its kennel-we were here first too.

Shared fence-so glad they moved. Their dog had to be kenneled outdoors even because it was so territorial-would attack the fence-its was dangerous couldn't let the dogs or kids in our own back yard unattended for the longest time.
LOL your dogs don't have manners-mine are all lil naughties too!

Sorry, bought the collar this week too. I've tried everything...not a "lazy" owner. Once she starts, it esculates and nothing can calm her. The pet owner I spoke to said it was a static shock that gets their attention...distracts them enough to break the bark cycle.

I'm soon to move in to a condo and can't have her barking incessantly. I'll admit that I feel torn with the method, but I'm hoping this will be a useful tool. Mind you, I've yet to even remove it from the box...

When and if you do remove it from the box you should try it on yourself first...I'm serious notice my previous comments I tried my aunts...on myself not my dogs...
Might also want to take a moment and read this thread over and watch the vids...http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...g-bad-dog.html
best of luck...

Thank you, I will try both.

What does everyone think about the spray collar? It doesn't hurt them. It's like a squirt bottle I guess. I don't know anything about it myself, as I don't own this or any other bark deterrent. Sounds much better than getting shocked though.

PetSafe Deluxe Little Dog Spray Bark Control - Training - Collars, Tags & Leashes - PetSmart

OUCH! Citrus in my eye! :eek: :p
Sorry I couldn't help that...Apparently it's not supposed to sting...I think if you are going to do it to your pet (anything besides good old fashioned effort in training without aggression) you need to try it on yourself and of course research everything first.
Isn't there something online listing warnings about these spray collars and nasal issues...:confused: hmmm if I was going to get and use one I'd look that up prior then make my decision...:rolleyes:

1. I'd be careful to only use any collar under supervision...
2. this video is for a shock collar..."specifically made for small dogs...up to 55 lbs":eek:
3. Spray vs shock...

OOPs I didn't say that right here:

1. I'd be careful to only use any collar under supervision...
2. this video is for a shock collar or spray collar I'm confused from the beginning of it to the end..."specifically made for small dogs...up to 55 lbs":eek:
3. Spray vs shock...did anyone else notice the mini schnauzer turn and think about biting the guy holding him when the collar "gave corrective stimulus?" hmmm...stand back...
4. Video advises, "do not leave on your dog more than 8 hours in a 24 hr period"...I'd ignore that and only have it on for training periods...isn't the point to train a dog or is it to be lazy and have a crutch tool?

Trueeee! And if its only shoots out to scare the dogs, why does it have to be scented or citrus whatever? Why can't they use a form of pressurized air or something? :confused:

I live in a 3rd story apt. right by the stairs. I hear people coming and going all hours of the night if i'm in my l.r. Princess sleeps by the front door for the first part of the night and used to bark frantically all hours of the night, esp. at the guys across the hall with the pug she despises. they come in and out, let the door slam, stomp up & down the stairs, whatev.
I tried yelling at Princess, giving her a little love tap on her butt, distracting her, whatever i could do just to get her to be quiet.
well i was at the store one day and saw the product called "pet zoom, sonic trainer". it was $10.00, offered to send an annoying frequency to dogs, should be used with positive reinforcement, etc. so i bought it. didn't open it til i came home and researched it, found the web site with tons of "testimonials", looked up the ill effects it may have on the dog, etc. basically all i found was that it is very similar to a "synthetic" dog whistle. so i started using it, though very rarely, i've prob used it less than a dozen times the last several months. i paired it with the "no barking" command and immediately lavished praise on her once she was quiet. the barking has been reduced sooooo much. i still praise her when she's quiet and she is still learning. but the point is that she is not learning to fear the sound, rather the sound is getting her attention so she can hear my command. she is not perfect, but i do not expect perfection. we talk, she barks, that's life. with this cheap tool and some very cheesy praise i was able to restore peace and void the fear of getting a noise violation. it has also been successful to teach her the "drop it" command which is verrry useful when you have a 90mph yorkie running around with a cotton ball!:rolleyes:

as for the shock, static, spray collars i just watched "it's me or the dog" the other day and victoria went on and on about how harmful they are on so many levels. not only do they cause great physical pain and discomfort, they also encourage anxiety, fear and aggression. have you ever licked a 9volt battery? i have once:eek:, and no, that was no damn static from the carpet! i've shocked princess with static from the air before & felt very guilty, and she was very unforgiving.

hope we can all peacefully gain control of our households, with our yorkies by our sides.:aimeeyork

btw, sorry this turned into a novel!:confuse8::snore::exclaim:

I can speak on the ultrasonic bark deterent, as I tried it and it did not work for me at all. She barked her way up and down the house so I returned it. While there, discussed the options with an employee that has the shock collar, with the assurance that it is no more than static, and decided to try it knowing the 30 day return policy ( pricey ) I felt uneasy and have not taken it out of the box, am returning it today and exchanging it for the citrinela. Will give that a try instead.

Let me just say that this is a last ditch effort dispite some implying those of us with this ongoing problem are "lazy owners". This is my 4th or 5th method and I have yet to find success. Once she get's going...there's no calming her down...it escalates and she barks her way into a frenzy. I need an alternative that will get her attention, so to break the cycle. Sadly, otherwise, when I move to a condo I may have to consider placing her elsewhere. That, above any spray collar, will break both of our hearts.

I totally agree. I think this is very good advice. Remember, dogs bark to alert the rest of the pack and yes, sometimes it becomes an awful habit but we as owners have to take more responsiblity and step up to the plate. (and I think you are by the way by just asking) First of all, you do need to teach her what quiet is. And then you have to remember that you really don't want no barking do you? Like if someone is breaking into your house, you do want her to alert you, don't you? But I do know that some dogs can really get going. I promise if you work on that for just 15 minutes a day, you can correct this. Maybe have someone outside your home help. I'm not sure what triggers her, maybe the doorbell? So set that up and allow 2 barks and then give the quiet command. And remember, extra yummy treats for being "quiet" are nice too. I like to sure chicken or liver. And finally, at night I did have one dog that would get spooked by certain things (the fan in the summer etc) and he would start barking but I found that when I placed him in a crate next to my bed, he felt a little more secure then and was fine so she just may be feeling very insecure. My boy eventually grew out of that and sleeps in bed with me now which I do feel is important to them feeling secure and part of the pack - not necessarily in bed but in my room with me.

QUOTE=tjdmom;3461323]I totally agree. I think this is very good advice. Remember, dogs bark to alert the rest of the pack and yes, sometimes it becomes an awful habit but we as owners have to take more responsiblity and step up to the plate. (and I think you are by the way by just asking) First of all, you do need to teach her what quiet is. And then you have to remember that you really don't want no barking do you? Like if someone is breaking into your house, you do want her to alert you, don't you? But I do know that some dogs can really get going. I promise if you work on that for just 15 minutes a day, you can correct this. Maybe have someone outside your home help. I'm not sure what triggers her, maybe the doorbell? So set that up and allow 2 barks and then give the quiet command. And remember, extra yummy treats for being "quiet" are nice too. I like to sure chicken or liver. And finally, at night I did have one dog that would get spooked by certain things (the fan in the summer etc) and he would start barking but I found that when I placed him in a crate next to my bed, he felt a little more secure then and was fine so she just may be feeling very insecure. My boy eventually grew out of that and sleeps in bed with me now which I do feel is important to them feeling secure and part of the pack - not necessarily in bed but in my room with me.[/QUOT

Sounds like good advice. That is how I trained Tibbe not to bark at his shadow but to bark appropriately.

Gotta love Victoria! She not only tells people what she thinks is acceptable and not but she educates people as to why! I watch her show whenever I catch it one, have read her books, articles etc online...it was because of her barking 'education' that I allow my dog two barks before they are given a command to shush...