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MinMuf1 03-31-2008 05:27 PM

As the Owner of several "Off" colored yorkies (three Chocolates and a Biewer), I was initially shocked to see so many colors in one litter. And, even tried to remain neutral minded on your overall post and not pass judgment. But, after seeing pictures of blues as adults with little to no hair as seen with Rae Rae's little girl, I personally would not intensionally breed for blues. As unique and healthy as the Parents may be, IMO it just doesn't seem right to knowingly put your puppies overall health at such a risk right from the start. I certainly wish your babies and their future Owners the best of luck.

yorkiecrazy 03-31-2008 05:49 PM

Congratulations!!! They are beautiful!!

izzierj 03-31-2008 05:52 PM

It sounds like from your birth announcement that you are a very loving person and wanted to share your joy....Alot of viewers got on your case...I know they have their reasons, but the puppies are here now...Just be the caring mom you can be...I'm sure prayers go out to you and your new arrivals....:) :) :)

ckuz13 03-31-2008 06:37 PM

wow,, lots of info. So where does that leave all the silver yorkies I see. I am looking at some pups now from one silver/tan parent..is this a color flaw? just curious?

katelin 03-31-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieAZ (Post 1888453)
No...like I said your post sounded intentional and was a shocker for some. Can't read every post and remember them all. I'm glad you did not breed her again intentionally knowing about the LS. I hope and pray for you and the babies that they are healthy.

Thank you for your kind thoughts. Like KDAHMEAN, I may have to face some pretty tough decisions with these puppies. It would be most appreciated if those decisions could be discussed here (and perhaps grieved over here). :(

whitney_faulkne 03-31-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by izzierj (Post 1888731)
It sounds like from your birth announcement that you are a very loving person and wanted to share your joy....Alot of viewers got on your case...I know they have their reasons, but the puppies are here now...Just be the caring mom you can be...I'm sure prayers go out to you and your new arrivals....:) :) :)


I agree. That is the point I was trying to make but I guess it did not come out right. I think we should all think positive. This forum to me, is to send out congrats and prayers to the new babies. I hope they are healthy and happy!!

whitney_faulkne 03-31-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 1887922)
I think people have been informative in their posts. And have wished her well for the future of the pups.
I find if you are an upcoming vet/vet tech I would think you would agree with the educational/informational post about blue borns :confused:

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

I never once said I believe she should breed her dogs, because I dont believe anybody should for purposes other than keeping the top of the breed alive. As many animals as I see on a daily basis that have been hit by cars, abused, neglected, or even are sick because of genetic problems, I encourage many people to spay/neuter or atleast to breed ethically and with all proper testing and research on their dog and their pasts. I was simply making a statement that must have come out wrong. I believe she came to this forum looking for somebody to share her joy with her. These puppies are alive and healthy for the time being. I believe we should all think positive and pray. She knows the breeding was wrong, as she has stated. Not everybody has been informative in their posts. Many people have jumped down her throat. I just hate seeing that done.

oopsmyhalofello 03-31-2008 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ckuz13 (Post 1888829)
wow,, lots of info. So where does that leave all the silver yorkies I see. I am looking at some pups now from one silver/tan parent..is this a color flaw? just curious?

I believe your just seeing a really light blue adult coat when you see the "silver" yorkies.



For the OP, congrats on your large litter, I would love to see how their coats mature so please keep sharing pictures. I hope your blues do end up to be healthy and full coated adults

PrestigeousYT 03-31-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by whitney_faulkne (Post 1888994)
I never once said I believe she should breed her dogs, because I dont believe anybody should for purposes other than keeping the top of the breed alive. As many animals as I see on a daily basis that have been hit by cars, abused, neglected, or even are sick because of genetic problems, I encourage many people to spay/neuter or atleast to breed ethically and with all proper testing and research on their dog and their pasts. I was simply making a statement that must have come out wrong. I believe she came to this forum looking for somebody to share her joy with her. These puppies are alive and healthy for the time being. I believe we should all think positive and pray. She knows the breeding was wrong, as she has stated. Not everybody has been informative in their posts. Many people have jumped down her throat. I just hate seeing that done.


Thanks for clearing that up Whitney. ;)
I do wish the best for these puppies and their new owners.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Sunnie 03-31-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ckuz13 (Post 1888829)
wow,, lots of info. So where does that leave all the silver yorkies I see. I am looking at some pups now from one silver/tan parent..is this a color flaw? just curious?

I think there is a big difference in "silver" yorkies. They have lighter colors than a steel blue yorkie, BUT they do not have a possible death sentence hanging over them because of their coloring. A Blue born puppy is facing a whole lot more than just a different color. IF they live, and IF they stay healthy, that in itself is a miracle in my opinion. Yes, some survive. They are the exceptions. I just think there is a difference in a "flaw" such as silver hair and a "defect" as in a blue born puppy.

I am in no way trying to say that these babies don't deserve a chance. And if they were mine, I would do whatever I could to keep them healthy and pray that they stay that way. All I am saying that I think is wrong is that once a pair has had this kind of DEFECT, they should not be bred again no matter what. EVEN though the other puppies survived and seem to be doing ok. THey are the lucky ones. And luck always runs out sooner or later.

As for a silver tan parent. If you are not buying a puppy to show, there is no reason not to get a silver/tan or a black/gold or any color as long as it is genetically healthy.

ckuz13 04-01-2008 07:31 AM

Oh good..thanks. to the OP think only positive thoughts..Nature happens..

Sugar's Mom 04-01-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by oopsmyhalofello (Post 1888999)
I believe your just seeing a really light blue adult coat when you see the "silver" yorkies.



For the OP, congrats on your large litter, I would love to see how their coats mature so please keep sharing pictures. I hope your blues do end up to be healthy and full coated adults


yes, what people call silver is really just the lighter blue. i have three and they have gold instead of tan. beautiful

Julz 04-01-2008 01:08 PM

How did it go at the vets?

YorkieAZ 04-01-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Julz (Post 1890371)
How did it go at the vets?


Just what I was wondering...hope all is well.
I'm on the edge of my seat here!

spoiledgirls 04-01-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kdahmean (Post 1879697)
Yes, his name is Snickers he is 4 pounds and is 16 months old

He is so cute! Congrats! You have every color of the rainbow in that litter! They are adorable! Still can't believe all the colors!

pepe mint 04-01-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Julz (Post 1890371)
How did it go at the vets?

what did I miss???? someone is going to the vet?

Julz 04-01-2008 06:36 PM

No, you didn't miss anything:) . They almost always go to the vet on day 3 for a physical and to get tails and dew claws removed.

pepe mint 04-01-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Julz (Post 1891145)
No, you didn't miss anything:) . They almost always go to the vet on day 3 for a physical and to get tails and dew claws removed.

has it only been 3 days??? sorry...i have not been able to pay much attention to YT the last few days so I'm a bit out of the loop LOL

I hope all is going well.

SexyJessi257 04-01-2008 08:21 PM

hey guys im new n i have questions?? wats the diff w blue n black yorkie?? they look black to me. wen i went to the vet, they described my Abby "blue" i saw a post saying to look at a site about blue yorkies?? r they not as healthy as the rest? sorry if i sound dumb but i only had my Abby two weeks and im new to this whole thing

MindieRose 04-02-2008 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyJessi257 (Post 1891319)
hey guys im new n i have questions?? wats the diff w blue n black yorkie?? they look black to me. wen i went to the vet, they described my Abby "blue" i saw a post saying to look at a site about blue yorkies?? r they not as healthy as the rest? sorry if i sound dumb but i only had my Abby two weeks and im new to this whole thing

Welcome :)
Blue is a color, where "blue born" is more of a genetic condition. The gray coloring in a yorkies coat is called blue. That is normal. Yorkies are considered blue and gold, blue and tan, black and tan, black and gold, and now some are chocolate, although not standard, it is not an unhealthy color. Blue borns though have a much higher fatality rate as newborns, and if they do thrive at birth, they can go on to lose a lot of their hair, and have significant skin and health problems. It is rare because no one wants that to happen. If it were rare, but good, the reputable breeders on this board would be breeding blue borns all the ding-dong-day long.
Basically, its like two adults getting married that carried genetic markers for a very potentially fatal genetic disease, in the hopes that they would make babies that had the disease. Makes no sense. And just like when something like that accidentally happens, you hope and pray that the child thrives and does well, but most people would never go on to have more children once they know what will happen.

txshopper73 04-02-2008 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 1891460)
Welcome :)
Blue is a color, where "blue born" is more of a genetic condition. The gray coloring in a yorkies coat is called blue. That is normal. Yorkies are considered blue and gold, blue and tan, black and tan, black and gold, and now some are chocolate, although not standard, it is not an unhealthy color. Blue borns though have a much higher fatality rate as newborns, and if they do thrive at birth, they can go on to lose a lot of their hair, and have significant skin and health problems. It is rare because no one wants that to happen. If it were rare, but good, the reputable breeders on this board would be breeding blue borns all the ding-dong-day long.
Basically, its like two adults getting married that carried genetic markers for a very potentially fatal genetic disease, in the hopes that they would make babies that had the disease. Makes no sense. And just like when something like that accidentally happens, you hope and pray that the child thrives and does well, but most people would never go on to have more children once they know what will happen.

Perfect way of explaining! :thumbup:

MrsPeanut 04-02-2008 04:26 AM

Holy Cowwwwwww
 
I just caught up on this post. Wow, some of you ladies on here are pretty tough. This was one of the most heated discussions I have read so far. I just have to say though ladies this is the nursery. Even if you agree or disagree this is a section to congratulate the new arrival of beautiful puppies. Getting angry and upset is not going to change the fact that she bred her dog. If you disagree with what she did don't post on her thread post in the general section. If you really feel the need to send her great information that's great but there is no sense in upsetting her or yourselves when she is just trying to share her new family. So to the lady who started this thread, I say congrats and I hope your new family lives a long and happy, healthy life. I am sure when and if you decide to sell them you will be decisive on the new owners and that the puppies will have loving and wonderful homes that will take good care of them throughout there lives weather live long or not. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :p

SexyJessi257 04-02-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 1891460)
Welcome :)
Blue is a color, where "blue born" is more of a genetic condition. The gray coloring in a yorkies coat is called blue. That is normal. Yorkies are considered blue and gold, blue and tan, black and tan, black and gold, and now some are chocolate, although not standard, it is not an unhealthy color. Blue borns though have a much higher fatality rate as newborns, and if they do thrive at birth, they can go on to lose a lot of their hair, and have significant skin and health problems. It is rare because no one wants that to happen. If it were rare, but good, the reputable breeders on this board would be breeding blue borns all the ding-dong-day long.
Basically, its like two adults getting married that carried genetic markers for a very potentially fatal genetic disease, in the hopes that they would make babies that had the disease. Makes no sense. And just like when something like that accidentally happens, you hope and pray that the child thrives and does well, but most people would never go on to have more children once they know what will happen.

ohhhh thanks. u explained it so well. well i personally think Abby is black, not "blue". wat do u think from lookin at her pic?

pepe mint 04-02-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyJessi257 (Post 1891603)
ohhhh thanks. u explained it so well. well i personally think Abby is black, not "blue". wat do u think from lookin at her pic?

they may have been referring to what her adult coat will be????? it's hard to see much in your avatar but my bad eyesight doesn't see a blue born pup in your avatar.

MindieRose 04-02-2008 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SexyJessi257 (Post 1891603)
ohhhh thanks. u explained it so well. well i personally think Abby is black, not "blue". wat do u think from lookin at her pic?

From what I can see in the avatar, she looks like she is a pup? She doesnt appear blue born from what I can see. Her face hair will lighten to be either tan or gold, and the black that is on her back will most likely turn either a dark or light gray. Its possible it can stay black, but you wont know until she is older. If you go to the general forum, you can read on one of the stickied threads on the top about coloring and the changes that her coat will make as she is growing. :)

sugamamee 04-02-2008 01:09 PM

Amen!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 1891460)
Welcome :)
Blue is a color, where "blue born" is more of a genetic condition. The gray coloring in a yorkies coat is called blue. That is normal. Yorkies are considered blue and gold, blue and tan, black and tan, black and gold, and now some are chocolate, although not standard, it is not an unhealthy color. Blue borns though have a much higher fatality rate as newborns, and if they do thrive at birth, they can go on to lose a lot of their hair, and have significant skin and health problems. It is rare because no one wants that to happen. If it were rare, but good, the reputable breeders on this board would be breeding blue borns all the ding-dong-day long.
Basically, its like two adults getting married that carried genetic markers for a very potentially fatal genetic disease, in the hopes that they would make babies that had the disease. Makes no sense. And just like when something like that accidentally happens, you hope and pray that the child thrives and does well, but most people would never go on to have more children once they know what will happen.

How can people not reprimand someone who has KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY bred for a genetic disorder... its not right... And if these messages make her think twice next time then... maybe we'll be able to save some puppies from suffering uh?

I hope those puppies do turn out healthy.

trini&coco 04-02-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunnie (Post 1888121)
I try to always post positive and have stayed out of this conversation so far. But that being said, I will say that I think your puppies are adorable. All puppies are adorable, but I am sad for them too. I HOPE they do beat the odds and grow up healthy. I just cannot agree with intentionally breeding a pair that has already birthed blue born puppies. Its like when it is the first time, shame on me.. the second time, shame on YOU! When you breed 2 healthy dogs with no known genetic defects, and you have a puppy with a defect. It is not your fault. But when you deliberately breed that pair again and have more puppies with defects. SHAME ON YOU. It is then YOUR fault. NO innocent puppy should have to go thru what these puppies may have to go thru. It is like playing russian roulette with thier lives.

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

I completely agree about everything you said!!!

kdahmean 04-02-2008 05:05 PM

Thank you very much the puppies went to the vet and got their tails and dew claws removed and all are alive and doing well.They will be 1 week old tomorrow.



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Originally Posted by MrsPeanut (Post 1891528)
I just caught up on this post. Wow, some of you ladies on here are pretty tough. This was one of the most heated discussions I have read so far. I just have to say though ladies this is the nursery. Even if you agree or disagree this is a section to congratulate the new arrival of beautiful puppies. Getting angry and upset is not going to change the fact that she bred her dog. If you disagree with what she did don't post on her thread post in the general section. If you really feel the need to send her great information that's great but there is no sense in upsetting her or yourselves when she is just trying to share her new family. So to the lady who started this thread, I say congrats and I hope your new family lives a long and happy, healthy life. I am sure when and if you decide to sell them you will be decisive on the new owners and that the puppies will have loving and wonderful homes that will take good care of them throughout there lives weather live long or not. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :p


Brynn-N-Kody 04-02-2008 06:12 PM

Just a point I would like to make!!!!
 
I have been reading all these wonderful posts and it just makes me so proud to come here where people take this breed so seriously. I know some people think they are being attacked when they post pictures and then get positive and NEGATIVE opinions this is a place where people can definetly give their opinions, quite frankly that is the beauty of posting and people need to realize that YorkieTalk is a WEALTH of information, you have a problem people give suggestions and are always there to help. As far as this particular subject has been going is just that, someone decided to post pictures of their "Blue" yorkies something I have never heard of and then received posts regarding concerns for these babies obviously this person is a breeder and knows this color is not normal, which brings me to my point. I looked back at a particular thread that this person had posted I believe it stated "What colors are these babies?" in 2007.So, She was aware last year that this was an unusual color but yet in one of her posts she says she has a 3 and 1/2 year old "Blue" yorkie that was perfectly healthy. If she was aware of this color 3 years ago then why did she start a thread last year asking about this color, and then to top it off she has a NEW litter as well!!!!!

TeddyandTiffy 04-03-2008 10:32 AM

Rae, Rae U're baby is cute & please don't take this the wrong way it's not directed toward U or U're baby at all. & can I ask what skin conditions U're could have with U're baby? I'm just trying to learn more about this :) I am glad U'res is healthy.

I do have to say they all are cute as can be, but to breed for this to me isn't right. All this is just my OPO.

But can U tell me that U can 100% guarantee that U're babies of this 7 litter will not loose their coats or have skin problems such as Rae, Raes' has? Is there some sort of testing U do on U're babies to allow U're new adopted parents to know this will not happen to the puppies they adopt from U? Just because it may of not happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

As far as U're spay/neuter contracts, not everyone follows them so how can U be insured that others that adopt U're babies will not breed for these colors? If I should ever ever have puppies like this I would have them spayed/neutered before they ever left my home as this is not AKC Standards.


CH.Galfreds Stonehaven Zack

I went to the site but couldn't find any photos of him, so is these colors through him or who (U're male or female)?

I do wish U the best with them all. :)


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