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Originally Posted by Myzzbrat (Post 968492)

I know I am still new to this site and Yorkies in general. You all have really good strong points but in reviewing some of Marlene's post she did state that Lexi's line threw big litters. It was a post where a fellow YT member was looking for a blonde. I've personally talked with Marlene on the phone and i was very comfortable about the information about the pups and their parents. Now just in general i thought was rule of thumb was not to breed until their second heat.. but there is no guarantee anywhere that there is to be a difference in one heat to the next. The only thing is the pup maybe to young. I think its up to the breeder and her vet if Lexi was in good standing/form to be able to breed. Now I have a son whois 7 months and he was born w/ a minor VSP and PFO in other words one of his valves was open and the blood flow was going the opposite way. The only long term issues if it was to cause a problem is he may have weight issues or feeding issues and would need to have medication to help. Now at 7mos they can no longer hear his heart murmur. In babies/puppies if the murmur is minor enough there are good chances they can close on their own within the first 6 months to a year. Anything after a year you would definately have it reevaluated or unless problems occur before hand. Now my son's murmur has closed on its own and you can no longer hear it. I will not have a second opinion taken unless he starts having issues in other areas that gives a sign there is still something open. This is standard w/ babies and murmurs.. Yes you can have a second opinion and when i was recently at the local ER the nurses and the Dr's treating my son could not hear his murmur and he had normal sinus rythm. You also need to understand that Marlene is a first time breeder.. You learn by trial and error. She is also a newly mother herself w/ a newborn just a few weeks old. How much harder is everyone going to be on her. I have learned a lot from this site in the last few weeks and will continue to learn. That is what we are all here for right?? Please remember its a learning experience not a war bashing hate.

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Hi there I have what I would consider a Blonde. She just had her first little on 12/5/06. She had a total of 6 puppies...unfortunetly two didn't make it.
The breeder I bought her from told me that all females from her line tend to give out a big litter. If you are interested let me know if not I understand good luck on your search.

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I think you missed the point. It's about "honesty"! That has nothing to do with her being a first time breeder or a new Mom.

But if you want to talk about being a breeder... then just let me say I think she had every intention of breeding from day one. And when you decide you're going to do something like that, I think you should do some "research" first. It's called being responsible breeder.

I'm not sure why you brought up Lexi having a big litter or being blonde. I didn't see anyone mention that. But now that you have... that was a really good reason to get a second opinion on her heart murmur - not to mention that it was her first heat. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that she did get any other opinions - before or after. JMO Anyone can say after the fact "oh yea, I got a second and a third opinion". But if you go back to her original posts, she "never" mentioned a "second or third vet"!

I am kinda surprised that you say you are not going to look any further into your child's situation unless he starts having other issues. He's your child and you do or don't do what you think is necessary or in his best interest, but I can tell you that - I would.

What is a "war bashing hate"?

I asked questions because I was interested in buying a pup from her. She did not answer them. I did some research on her right here and found out about the "possible murmur". I told her that I wouldn't be buying the pup. She asked if there was anything that she could have done and I asked her to please be honest with any potential buyers. She didn't - so I brought it up. People have a right to know these things.

Yes, this is supposed to be a place to learn and when she found out, she posted about it. I think she asked and people responded not to worry but to keep a eye on it. But none of them knew that Lexi was about to be or already bred. And again, I believe their advice was to keep an eye on it. She didn't. Where's the learning there?

By big litter did you mean in numbers or size. Because again she states in her for sale thread that these girls should be a good breeding size 5-6 pounds. But, her mother is 14 pounds and her brother is 9 pounds. :rolleyes:

Oh btw, are you buying a pup?

I hope that this gives you a little more insight into the situation and if you want to hear another side of the story I think you should reread rnnw62's post or contact her yourself.
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I think the breeder should sell her w/o her papers this way the new owner or mommy wont be able to under breed the Yorkie Standard. Is there any way you can tell us who the seller is. I am a first time buyer and yorkie mom and I dont intend to breed until i'm comfortable with the breed and beside my book knowledge i've gained I want to gain hands on experience. So someone like myself wont mind a wavy haired yorkie. Because if and when I do deside to breed I can always purchase a breed standard yorkie.

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Is this you? So you would ask the seller to sell this pup w/o papers because she has a cotton coat, but a possible heart murmur, oversized, and without a health guarantee is ok???

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 969267)

I think you have made your point, and if your not going to get a puppy then move to a different thread...This fellow YT is trying to sell her puppies and everyone on here I believe can read for themselves, I am sorry but to suggest things about another YT is wrong unless you have proof...She has been up front, if you don't want one that is your choice .....:( There is no need to continue to bash another YT member....:(

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 969292)

:thumbup: :thumbup: You are right, she already repeated herself over and over, if she is not going to purchase and she made her point why keep going:thumbdown :thumbdown. Sometimes YT is depressing with all the fussing:(

I feel we are all grown here and can make our own decisions:(.

I am just wondering if you purchase a pup then find out there is a possible murmur would you still expect to pay the agreed upon price? Or would you keep the pup and your money? If not, when do you think this would be an appropriate scenario if at all?
If that is the case, I wouldn't expect to receive papers or is this incorrect? Nor would I expect to breed the pup either but that is just my opinion

I think we need to keep in mind that we all love our yorkies and hope that no one would take advantage of any of them and the fact we love them so much we want what is best for them and hope to ensure that what we get is what we expect so that we can love them for a very long time. As many people that have been on this board can vouch...even when you do your best to research and screen breeders problems can and do still happen. Those people would most likely agree you do want to research, ask questions and when you think there may be a problem you address it.

I haven't posted on this site in quite awhile but I do try to keep up and educate myself and feed my yorkie addiction. I am not sure of another reason why anyone would follow the threads, surely not to bash people.

Just my opinion................

I think CJ should just get over it.

i belong to another forum and on it you are forbidden to post to a for sale thread unless you are seriously interested in the puppy. All this stuff we see on here about nearly every dog that's posted would not be allowed and someone would be banned if they break the rule. My thoughts on this thread is that Cj should have posted her opinions and dealings with this breeder in the 'breeder review' forum. Most people look at that every day. i know i do. I look to see if anyone has reviewed me as a good or even as a bad breeder so if it was posted there, the word would get out.

I agree with you but what if someone knows someone has posted is a scammer or a bad breeder. Isnt it better that if someone knew that they could post to it to warn others?

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 970361)

I agree with you but what if someone knows someone has posted is a scammer or a bad breeder. Isnt it better that if someone knew that they could post to it to warn others?

In the REVIEW forum or in pm's. i might even have told this person to post what they know but i'm not even sure if it is the same person or not and once it was posted, it should have stopped at some point. Someone did contact me about someone and I didn't know anything about the breeder but it seemed they did and i told them they ought to post it. i don't even know if this is the same person or not. But the point has been takeen so it ought to stop. I mean after three or four days now, I'm sure everyone knows.

I think in whatever thread the issue arises in is appropriate. I think it's all of our duties to protect each other from making the wrong decision when looking for a new puppy.

In my opinion and just my opinion, I think the selling puppies on this forum has created too of argument

Dee'slilyorkies-

I just visited your site and thought I'd just say that I think the silouette you have on the home page of your site is of a silky and not a yorkie. The tail carriage is wrong and so is the height to length ratio.
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I LOVE it otherwise.:thumbup:

I'm glad this person(s) posted up about this breeder, but like I said before regarding the heart murmur, they really can grow out of it and it's no more of a congenital defect (depending on the type of murmur) than having dew claws are. The valves often can and do mature and strengthen and no one really knows what causes the minor defect in the first place...nutrition? My post isn't intended to provide any defense, just facts. And you all know, I'm sure, whether I would purchase a puppy from her or not and that I'm biting my tongue, but in all fairness, give it a rest.
The points neccessary have been made and I really think it's time to move on. I hope a moderator closes this thread w/ a quickness.

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer (Post 970489)

yes it is time to move on. i didn't do the picture you are speaking of. webmaster found it on the AKC site someewhere (I think). I just about went off on you. LOL, I thought at first you were saying my dogs are silky's. then I read it again.LOL

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lol, NO! :eek: I'm glad you re-read my post. ;)

Tell that webmaster to get you a better silouette, it doesn't do your site justice. Thats' funny....sorry about that! :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 970426)

I think in whatever thread the issue arises in is appropriate. I think it's all of our duties to protect each other from making the wrong decision when looking for a new puppy.

I agree. Especially since I'm sure we have so many visitors (non-registered members) who pass through here, just read the sale postings, and NEVER see any other threads. They deserve education and warnings as well.

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I just visited your site and thought I'd just say that I think the silouette you have on the home page of your site is of a silky and not a yorkie.

(offtopic, but I noticed this too when I visited there)

Well for those of you that care to know...my little girls have found loving forever homes. I'm proud to say that one of them now resides in Cali with a loving family....Sugar Pie you are missed! Lucky for two of the girls that got to go to the same home and they aren't far from us only a few miles. So we'll be able to see them as they grow up. I still have one little girl waiting for her forever home. I just figured I would update everyone and let them know what's going on since they've been in the forsale post.

Marlene