I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU....YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE YOUR MONEY. SINCE SHE IS TWO, I THINK A LOWER PRICE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE

Abby I hope you find a forever home and someone to love you until the end of time!:) Praying for a good home for you sweetie....

Well Said Jazzy Girl!! Elaine

I can understand waiting to see if a puppy is going to be of the breeding standards you are trying to achieve. If she/he does not meet these standards by the age of 1 yr and maturity; then selling the dog.
However, imo, that is A LOT different than keeping a dog for 2 years, letting her have 2 litters and then deciding she has "flaws". If her ears did not stand up by a yr old, it's a pretty safe bet--that they will never stand up! She most likely also weighed 9 lbs or close to it, at a yr. However, she still had 2 litters, in her 2 yrs of life--"flaws" or not. Why get rid of her now?? It makes no sense to me, other than this poor dog being treated like a money making asset.

Not trying to be argumentative but, imo if a breeder can not keep every adult dog they have and have had for years and used for breeding purposes--then maybe they have too many dogs. To sell a dog because it is no longer a money maker--is ethically just a few steps above a dog broker or a puppy mill, imo.

If a breeder wants to give an adult dog a new home and charge nothing--is a different story. Not that I could ever give away a pet that I had and loved not matter what "flaws" they may have. But apparently there are many people that can do this. Fine, that is your business and your conscience--but at least give these dogs the dignity of not being sold to the highest bidder. Have they not already made you enough money??

I fully agree that most pets adapt very well to being rehomed. I have had a lifetime of rehomed pets, that we have loved and cherished. However, an adult animal that is rehomed does come with a past history. They have memories of past experiences whether they be good or bad. To give a perfect example: my Jazzy Girl is a 4 yo old Shih Tzu that we got from our local Animal Shelter. She was 3 yrs old and had at least 3 litters in her lifetime and was pregnant with her 4 th litter when she was put out like yesterdays garbage. Why? Because her last pregnancy was a mistake. She had been impregnated by a much larger dog. Therefore it was impossible that she could continue the pregnancy. Rather than deal with this, her former owners just opened the door and threw her out. When I first found her at the Animal Shelter she was so scared, so shy, yet such a sweet heart. It took her awhile to understand that human touch meant love, but once she came around--she was and still is a total love bug. She is the sweetest dog you will ever meet. How anyone could get rid of her is beyond me. But the point I am trying to make is she did come with memories and feelings. To this day, as loving as she is---she will not give kisses. It is almost like she has a fear of giving a kiss. She is and most likely will continue to be very afraid of loud noises, raised voices--even in laughter, and all new things. She gets herself so upset that she will literally shake her whole body. The only thing that calms her down is holding, rocking and hugging her like a baby.
So yes, I agree that rehomed pets can do very well and most times end up in better homes. However, they do come with excess baggage and memories. To purposely sell an animal because they are no longer providing financial gain--is just plain wrong--imo.

That was a very well said post Jazzy. You made some really good points.

and little Jazzy really got lucky when you found her and took her home :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: poor baby - she must have had a sad life before you.

I can't believe how some dogs are treated. I've always thought I wanted to work in a shelter but I don't think I could do it and sleep at night ...my mind never shuts off as it is these days.:(

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Tina...you can NOT be serious......you know that smaller bitches do finish right????? She is absolutely adorable........and which YT will be at the door waiting if she does not get any bigger........:D

Nice to see you girl.....

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I have decided to answer some of the questions from some you. And then I hope this will be finished. I also want to thank others for their comments.

1 st. What does KWIM stand for???????? This was from Monofone.

2nd Abby cost Judy $1500 dollars and like alot of others on Yorkie Talk was told she would be AKC standered size.

3rd Abby has had 2 litters her first litter was 2 boys Judy the owner couldn't sale them, no one wanted them for $500 so she gave them to family members instead. The 2nd litter now is on line here for sale. No one has contacted her about them. They are beautiful pups BUT they are males and they are already a little over 4 lbs at 4 months. Yes she had 2 boys again no others. And they are 4 months old one had his ears up the other dosn't. Judy is asking $500 for them. They are AKC register but they are going to be large dogs like their mother. No one really wants them that big. So JUdy will probably give them to family or friends again, it is time for them to have forever homes... It is not the pups fault or the parents the father weighs 3 1/2 lbs Judy now knows they are not taking after him.

4th For the ones that says Abby has given her weight in gold is wrong Yes she has had two litters with a different male used this 2nd time but the same results again.. Judy is trying to build a sound breeding program. It is not Abby's fault that she has "flaws" as someone said but Judy cannot keep every dog even if she is treated as family. It is time for her to find a forever home she is only 2 yrs. Judy wants to know the family that gets her. If they are not worthy of Abby then no matter how much they offer for her, she will not go with them. period.......

5th If you look on here in the for sale area you will she that others have older dogs that are not pups. And they are selling them in the neighborhood that Judy is selling Abby for. The right person would be happy to buy her and others at that price, and you know that they would be finding a forever loving home, Could it be said that if she was sold for alot less and (Abby is not spayed) that someone could just use her as a breeding animal and not care for her at all. Judy is the owner not me. I am only her friend that was trying to do something nice for Abby and 5 male puppies to find the best home possible. Judy is the one that will have the final word on her babies.
Judy has right now 5 male pups, 2 studs, 1 female pup that she is keeping which is 3/4 yorkie & 1/4 maltese age 8 months she is the daughter from the last litter of Judy 1 female spayed 1/2 & 1/2 Maltese that is 4 yrs old. She will not sale this one this was her 2nd baby. Then she has Izzy which is 2 yrs old and the mother of 2 little boys for sale she also had 2 girls which is sold. and then we come to Abby. So that is a total of 11 dogs in one house. They are not kenneled they are in her home recieving love and attention....

6th If someone is interested in Abby why havent' you called and talked to Judy and see about the price that offends some of you maybe a deal could of been worked out. Now I don't know..

7 I read all of the messeages to Judy to let her know what she wanted to do about what was being said to me. I Am not the owner only a friend that had permission to try and sale her babies.

8 Everyone has opinoins(IMO) and that is fine but when you go on the attack then you are trying to force your opinions on someone else instead of making a suggestion. You get get more bees with honey instead of vingear just "IMO".

9 I just hope Abby finds a really loving home that wants her for her.. Like someone said at least there won't be any surprizes she is already grown up...

10 I hope this ends this attack and your questions are answered. Because you didn't just attacked me you attack a lot of others that are breeders.

11 Now with all that said Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Hi Stareneo...i did post in this thread and know my post was not an attack - I intentionally didn't bring up her 'flaws' (ears weight etc) because she IS a cutie....I hoped my post gave you something to think about as we see people all the time looking for lower priced yorkies.

but rather than look at the comments as someone attacking - why not see them for their postive value - maybe she'll find a good home if the price was a little lower ?? Isn't that the plan ???

When I read the original post - I DID feel bad for her too, it did sound like she had no worth and was being resold strictly for her flaws - and if they're so big that her owner doesn't want her - why price her over 500 $ ??? I think that's what prompted Jazzygirl to post what she said.

the thing with these kinds of forums it they are also discussion boards - and what you may see as an 'attack' ....is to others, an opinion.

EDITED - ps - we're all about the dogs here lol - you have to realize when you read posts like in this thread - her best interest is WHY people responded...and I really do hope she finds a great home.

Red98vet no yours was not an attack and I understand that. You have been on here for awhile and you have helped a lot of newbies and the mentors and teachers here. Normally I would of just ignored the more outspoken ones. But this time... I thought I would just answer some of the questions as nice as i good.
If anybody is really interest in buying or getting more info on any of the pups and dogs that are for sale in this thread they can contact the breeders and try to work out a better deal on the amount that they are selling for.
I don't have all the answers I just love my two babies and take care of them and try to learn what the teachers and elders can teach me here.
Let us just hope Abby finds a wonderful forever home for the holidays. And her boys too.
Happy Holidays to everyone:aimeeyork

Same to you :) :) and you did answer the questions answered :thumbup: when it's real heartfelt passion sometimes people can come on strong :eek: - and you're right - pricing can be discussed in pm's - but when it's discussed on the site it offers some insight that we normally don't see (people new to buying yorkies etc) ...I remember when looking for Chanel...I didn't know about sites like this and wow - did my eyes get opened

did she find a home yet ??? She sounds truly sweet.

I certainly am not attacking anyone. Yes, everyone has an opinion and are free to express it, especially on a discussion board. That is what a discussion board is for--to discuss and state your opionions, etc.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone, however that is, and will always be, my opinion regarding getting rid of an animal when it ceases to be a money maker. And that is excatly what is happening in this situation. The dog produces puppies that are very difficult if not impossible to sell, so therefore she no longer has any value to her owner. She will now be sold and replaced with another female that can produce puppies that can make the owner a profit. Unless I am reading the posts incorrectly or I am missing something--that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.
As I said in a prior post, I personally could never get rid of an animal that I raised and loved for 2 years in my "loving and caring" home. However if others can do this, that is their business and their conscience. I just feel bad for the poor dogs. They may not be human but they still have feelings and can feel confused, rejected and afraid.
Again this is just my opinion, but I could no more give away one of my pets (let alone sell them) then I could have given away one of my kids.
IMO, when you take on the responsibility of an animal it is for the long haul. If the animal does not meet the breeding standards you need to gain a profit from breeding it--that is just the chance you take. Pretty much like with many things in life. If the animal is not suitable for breeding then you don't breed it. You took a chance and it did not work out, however you still have a loving and loyal pet that is attached to you and hopefully you are attached to it.
I, like many others on this board, have a Yorkie that was sold to me as AKC standard and is not. I also paid a substantial amount ($1,200.00). Am I disappointed that she is not more breed standard--yes. However, I love her dearly and could never even think about selling her. We are all so attached to her, she is part of the family. I have not sold or given away any family members yet---and there are some that really test my love, lol--So I certainly would not start selling or giving away my animals, that give me nothing but unconditional love and happiness.
Happy Holidays to you too!
BTW, KWIM means: know what I mean.

sorry, just dont understand how anyone can have a puppy for 2 years and
then sell them away.. breeder or no breeder... just my opinion.....
never in a friggin million years.....

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Jazzy Girl ;As I said in a prior post, I personally could never get rid of an animal that I raised and loved for 2 years in my "loving and caring" home. However if others can do this, that is their business and their conscience. I just feel bad for the poor dogs. They may not be human but they still have feelings and can feel confused, rejected and afraid.

Never say never..... Never is a long time. Things can happen in a instint thaat can change your life for ever...

I can see you are very serious and vocal in what you believe and that is good for you. But not everyone can be like you that is what makes the world go around.

We could debate this for a live time and still be at odds. One point that is missing here is Abby.
Someone out in this world needs and wants to love something maybe Abby could be that something and both are the winners in this.

Remember someone had to sale one of their pups for you to have and love. Why didn't that person keep your yorkie instead of selling her?

Life is not fair but isn't it better when you can find a forever love and home?

I don't know what Judy is going to spend her money on it is not any of my business or yours.
Where do you think some of these better taken care yorkies come from?
Yes there are people out there that just wants your money and doesn't care about the animals please go after them and change them.
Because everyone on here wants the best for their furbabies.

Thank for answering my question about KWIM. I am not to good on just the initials thing :).
I hope that I didn't offend anyone with this.

Life is to short to be angry all of the time.

starleneo,
I agree to disagree. We obviously have very different views and that is fine, and we are both entitled to express our different views. The world would be pretty dull if we all thought the same.

I agree that life can change at the drop of a hat and hit you blindsided. I have had my share of life's upheavals, believe me. However, unless I was physically or mentally uncapable of caring for my animals, I could not give them away nor sell them. If the day ever came that I could not care for my animals they would still stay in the family and would live with my daughter. She loves them as much as I do.

I do not think a true comparison can be made between my Yorkie being sold at 10 weeks and a dog being sold after 2 years.

Again, I agree to amicably disagree. No intention on my part of trying to offend or attack anyone. If I came off this way, it was not my intention. It's been interesting to hear your opinions.

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Jazzy girl:friendsh: