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Lorraine 06-12-2011 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3564342)
That is your opinion about the structure and temperament, Disappointment? I think not. Myself I find them to be exquisite compared to the U.S. Yorkie. To me there is no comparison to the beauty and grace of the Yorkies not from the U.S. They are very very proud of their yorkies. Anyone can judge for themselves.
Here are a few sites to look at.

WEBVISION*4YOU - yorkshire terrier portal

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:: Devils of York ::

..::CAMBRIDGESHIRE::.. Yorkshire Terrier, Jorkšírský teriér

http://www.pinkerlton.hu/

Českomoravský klub chovatelů Yorkshire Terrierů
And that is your opinion.
And yes I know full well the European yorkie.

Breezeaway 06-13-2011 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 3564054)
You are right, most although not all in Europe will sell to anyone, no contract as contracts are illegal there.
However if you are looking for something for the show rings as Europe does not show the same as we do nor do they look for the same in a show dog as we do therefore do not select their breeding stock same as we do in Canada and the US, you will be disappointed. They do not have the structure or temperment for the most part. They usually are much bigger as well compared to here. Of course there are exceptions especially those breeders that are working with North American breeders which is where many are trying to get breeding stock from. Many show breeders won't sell over there anymore unless they know the European breeder very well once it was discovered contracts are nonbinding in Europe.
Many very good lines got away from good breeders over here because of that issue.
I wonder if they say the same thing about the Canadian dogs as you do about them? Its not nice to put down other countries show dogs.

Lorraine 06-13-2011 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3565789)
I wonder if they say the same thing about the Canadian dogs as you do about them? Its not nice to put down other countries show dogs.
Many of our Canadian dogs have AKC championships and Canada and US show breeders select for much the same traits in a Yorkie. And yes some European breeders would crique ours but many try to get one of ours from some of the top showlines in the US or Canada.
If you think stating the obvious is rude to Europe breeders then that is your opinion and the European breeders that admire and are getting dogs from US and Canada know what they are looking for and why they are doing that.
IF you will notice, I said MOST meaning not all Yorkies in Europe are not great compared to OUR STANDARDS which are just different. They mostly breed for what they want we breed for what we want.
If you were a show breeder you would know what I am talking about.

shodanusmc 06-13-2011 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 3565847)
Many of our Canadian dogs have AKC championships and Canada and US show breeders select for much the same traits in a Yorkie. And yes some European breeders would crique ours but many try to get one of ours from some of the top showlines in the US or Canada.
If you think stating the obvious is rude to Europe breeders then that is your opinion and the European breeders that admire and are getting dogs from US and Canada know what they are looking for and why they are doing that.
IF you will notice, I said MOST meaning not all Yorkies in Europe are not great compared to OUR STANDARDS which are just different. They mostly breed for what they want we breed for what we want.
If you were a show breeder you would know what I am talking about.
:thumbup: Totally agree with you Lorraine. If I recall, the Westminister Yorkie Champ was a Canadian Dog. Why go out of the North American Continent for a Pup? Well, maybe if I wanted a Parti I would.

Lorraine 06-13-2011 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3565858)
:thumbup: Totally agree with you Lorraine. If I recall, the Westminister Yorkie Champ was a Canadian Dog. Why go out of the North American Continent for a Pup? Well, maybe if I wanted a Parti I would.
Show breeders in US and Canada who are very serious about the breed will not sell to anyone looking for a show dog without doing a lot of background check and the buyer has to be pretty convincing they are not wanting to just breed and market the good lines teh show breeder has worked so hard to produce. Someone looking for just something to breed will not be considered.
Yes the winner for the Breed Yorkshire terrier at this years WEstminster show is here in Canada, owner/breeder/handled and they live about 1/2 hour from me. The Canadian dogs actually did very well at those shows, GNY Club and YTCA club shows held in those few days before WEstminster started. I know the Canadian dog bred back east that won one of those specialties, can't remember which specialty is Canadian bred and goes back to many canadian dogs in the pedigree. There were other Canadian dogs there as well that did very well in those very large shows.

tegamom1 06-13-2011 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3565858)
:thumbup: Totally agree with you Lorraine. If I recall, the Westminister Yorkie Champ was a Canadian Dog. Why go out of the North American Continent for a Pup? Well, maybe if I wanted a Parti I would.
Yes Steve, there's some of that wonderful Canadian breeding behind the Spice boys!

shodanusmc 06-13-2011 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tegamom1 (Post 3565914)
Yes Steve, there's some of that wonderful Canadian breeding behind the Spice boys!
Indeed there is, and it shows. Too bad that Basil and Caper will never be shown. They are just lovable little pets and will lead the good life. They do have some of that Canadian Westminister Champs blood in them. But they have a Texas Twang bark! You have a great week.

Breezeaway 06-13-2011 05:39 PM
:dogzzz:

lock57 06-14-2011 06:26 AM
Now I am by no means an expert on the Yorkshire Terrier but have done some research on the breed. The Yorkshire Terrier originated in Yorkshire---Lancashire ENGLAND which is part of EUROPE! I think that genetically speaking your dogs would not be to far removed from these EUROPEAN ancestors. Also the UK standard reads:
Temperment: Spirited with even disposition.(I think I'd want a dog with that temperment).
Size: Up to 3.2kgs. which in American units is 7lbs. hmmmmm sounds very familiar!
Also the AKC states no standard for temperment!!!!

Breezeaway 06-14-2011 07:13 AM
:yeahthat: :thumbup:

shodanusmc 06-14-2011 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by lock57 (Post 3566384)
Now I am by no means an expert on the Yorkshire Terrier but have done some research on the breed. The Yorkshire Terrier originated in Yorkshire---Lancashire ENGLAND which is part of EUROPE! I think that genetically speaking your dogs would not be to far removed from these EUROPEAN ancestors. Also the UK standard reads:
Temperment: Spirited with even disposition.(I think I'd want a dog with that temperment).
Size: Up to 3.2kgs. which in American units is 7lbs. hmmmmm sounds very familiar!
Also the AKC states no standard for temperment!!!!
True, but would I go to England to buy one? Many terrific Yorkie breeders here that breed to the Standard, and color.

Breezeaway 06-15-2011 03:47 PM
:lol tears

Breny 06-19-2011 03:18 PM
I own a gorgeous doll from Budapest. LOVE HER!!! She is drop dead gorgeous and I would never trade her for the world. I love her personality. I can't say enough about her.

Lorraine 07-02-2011 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lock57 (Post 3566384)
Now I am by no means an expert on the Yorkshire Terrier but have done some research on the breed. The Yorkshire Terrier originated in Yorkshire---Lancashire ENGLAND which is part of EUROPE! I think that genetically speaking your dogs would not be to far removed from these EUROPEAN ancestors. Also the UK standard reads:
Temperment: Spirited with even disposition.(I think I'd want a dog with that temperment).
Size: Up to 3.2kgs. which in American units is 7lbs. hmmmmm sounds very familiar!
Also the AKC states no standard for temperment!!!!
Yes the Yorkie originated from England. However, if you knew anything about genetics, breeders in Canada and the US were selecting breeding stock for what they were looking for in a yorkie which over time was not the same as European show breeders. If you knew breeders from even 30 years ago, at that time they were selecting for different than today. High winning in the show rings Yorkies from the 50, 60's perhaps 70's would not get a second look today.
So here we are many many decades later and there are differences between the European/England Yorkie in the show rings and those found in the show rings in Canada and the US.


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