OK so post once with your opinion and then leave it.

Going on and on and on and on with this pathetic baiting and name calling just makes me think less of you. It really doesn't convince me that you have a valid point or that you are anyone that I would listen to.

Again - JMHO.

It absolutely is against the rules, however, very few people admit they are brokers even when it's obvious.

No prpblem at all. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I will not sit back and let some shyster bring possible hard to a Pup for a few bucks. What you think of me personally, well, I could care less. Name calling? Every word is in the dictionaly! Got a problem, take it up with Webster.

We can hope, Steve! Good breeders would not give this request a serious thought. It says a lot about a person's own character when they try to convince us of what great buyers she has by telling us how much money they have -- like that will make them more compassionate, educated on the yorkie breed, and experienced with tiny puppies. As long as a prospective owner has enough money to take care of food & health needs, I could care less if they are above the 6-figure income bracket.

Second of all, I lost my husband to cancer and I can tell you there was NO time for a new puppy during the last months. We were often in the hosptial for days, even weeks on end, and then serious nursing required when we did get to come home. I would never have taken precious time away from spending with my dear husband and I would not cheat a new puppy out of critical bonding time. It was difficult enough on the adult pets we had. Asking why a person with a terminally ill husband would want a puppy is a VERY GOOD question for a breeder to ask. Even those without a puppy to meet the OP's demands, ask questions for the benefit of others who may be contemplating it. New breeders are not always as aware of all the scams and poor placement considerations. So just asking the right questions can often give them things to think about. It is part of the ongoing teaching environment I appreciate at Yorkietalk! If there is no problem and the OP really thinks they are doing a good thing here, why would they object to quesitons? Don't they question prospective buyers when they sell pups?

You can tell from the instant defensiveness in the OP's posts that she knew her requests were not going to go over well, which leads me to think she probably is at least aware what she is doing is wrong. Snotty comments to others just for their questions was out of line and whether she likes it or not is telling people about her character. Good breeders look for clues like that when considering puppy placement.

I do hope if Yorkietalk breeders are really contacting her they reconsider!!! It saddens me to think we have breeders among us interested in no more than the $$$ they get from a pup. If the whole story is even true -- I can tell you from personal experience, this is not the right situation for a new puppy. Sometimes we get so highly emotional when terminal cancer is involved that we make hasty ill-thought out decisions. Not uncommon to want an affirmation of life like a new pet, but the best thing you can do for a person in that situation is say, "I am sorry, I can't do that." The lady will appreciate it later. At the worst if the story is not true, then heaven only knows what sort of situation the puppy will be sold into. Could someone be contemplating breeding a tiny for more tinies? This OP says no. The problem is you just don't know and this business of wanting the puppy the same day is an added red flag to me. It seems like they don't want to give a breeder long enough to really find out anything about what is going on here. Most breeders do not let you go home with a puppy the same day you contact them as they need time to do some research, get some references (esp. from their vet), find out about other pets/children/family members. They also want to see you interact with the puppy, visit with you long enough to see some of your personality (unless it was already evidenced by flippant remarks and insults weilded on a the YT forum), and generally decide if the person is a good potential puppy owner.

There are plenty of websites where you can click the BUY NOW button and get your instant puppy sight-unseen with no references or questions asked. But any breeder who would care that little for their puppies are probably going to send you a sick, parasite-infested, poorly-bred puppy with serious emotional/social issues, if you get any puppy at all, that is.

Thank you!

On another forum I have used in the past (weight loss)
OP meant Off Plan. I was a little confused.

When you use the words "pathetic baiting", it seems like you are the one that's trying to bait someone. :confused:

But you see....he does have a valid point and he is someone that you should listen to.

The opinions of others were posted, but then the OP came back with her witty retorts attempting to justify her searching for a "tiny teddy bear" for a "friend". I don't really believe anyone has been pathetically baiting her or calling her names.....just pointing out some inaccuracies in her story and stating their opinions on her "brokering".

Since this thread, like every other one here on YT, is potentially a learning tool for other members; let's take a look at everything that sent red flags waving about the OP.

1- This person is a breeder who should know better than to be looking for a tiny.

2- A really good breeder doesn't have puppies ready TODAY for the first tom, dick and harry that walk through with an open check book.

3- A good breeder would not consider placing a young tiny with a home that has all the earmarks of being too busy to properly care for it.

4- A good breeder doesn't use the term "teddy bear" in describing a yorkie- that's a marketing term.

5- A good breeder knows that the tinies should never be placed so early, they have special needs that need to be attended to, tests that should be done before placing them in pet homes.


And on and on and on...

Therefore, you can extrapolate that anyone PM'ing the OP to "offer" a tiny at a rather large price tag, may be deemed a less than desirable breeder.

JMO.

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To be perfectly honest I am sick of people jumping into discussions making out that some members are 'bullies' just for stating their opinion or asking a simple question.
This is a public forum and whenever you post a thread you should fully expect to get a wide range of opinions in your replies. Take off your rose tinted glasses and step into the real world. If I was looking to buy a puppy I wouldn't expect a breeder to tip toe around me, I would expect them to grill me with questions to make sure I am the right sort of person to sell a pup to.
I dont think that any questions here were wrong in any way, they were perfectly good questions and something I would have expected if I were the OP.
And I see no name calling either, could you point it out please just incase I missed it.

I think posts like this NEED to be addressed with questions and pointing out potential problems. Why? Because Yorkietalk is a learning environment for many. A new dog owner or maybe even just someone thinking about getting a yorkie reads this and without replies, they may get the idea it is acceptable behavior. A new breeder reads here and may be so excited about selling a puppy (as many go into breeding thinking it a way to make money) they would jump on the chance for a buyer unless they read of some of the problems they should consider. Maybe even the OP could learn some things, although they would not admit it here. You never know though, they might just start doing thngs differently -- from peer pressure if not from intelligent and compassionate decision making.

Not one person besides the OP called names. Steve mentioned "low-lifes" but that was not directed at the OP, it was saying there are "low life" out there.

Now maybe you could read YOUR posts in this thread and ask yourself what you added of substantial benefit to anyone? I am always amazed at those who think others should not be posting their opinion, but then add their own. Then if I am not mistaken, you tell others to post their opinion once, and only once -- yet you post again! You chide them for name-calling (and I find no evidence of that except for the OP) yet YOU say they are "disgusting" to you, "pathetic baiting," "juvenile squabbling," not someone you would listen to, and you think less of them. You sort of insult the entire forum when you "wonder why I belong to this website." Hmmmmmm ..... sounds like a lot of insulting, and sort of name-calling language to me. So, IF you want to tell other people what to post and what not to post, you might want to adhere to the same set of guidelines you ask of others. ;)

Brings to mind a couple of good quotes (quotes only- don't take them as any sort of attempt to censor your posts):
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I wonder why these questions were not answered! ;) Jodi, you make it hard for those who forget the twists and turns their posts have taken! That's the thing about telling lies, they do come back to haunt you! BTW this is not name calling. When a person says BOTH " I've never been to a dog park" and "Met a fellow yorkie owner this morning at the doggie park." -- one has to be a lie, what the person telling this lie is, well I leave that to the readers.

When you post information in a public forum it becomes public, shocker. That means you have now opened yourself up to questions and criticism. By posting it in the first place you have accepted this fact. So once you post something about say the state of a terminal illness of a family member, it is fair game for questioning and probing. If you don't want it brought up or dug into, don't mention it.

Now moving right along...

This person sends up a lot of red flags for me and I would never sell nor buy from them...

And on another, perhaps unrelated, note: How many dogs can one person want to buy/be looking for? It doesn't seem quite right to me... I mean I know the little guys are like potato chips and you can't have just one, but seriously??? Looking for tiny, gold, parti/biewer, chocolates, 2 females, etc. AND she's supposedly a breeder too??? Yeesh that seems like a lot of dogs to me :p

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Yeah I wonder? :rolleyes: It's very clear why the OP is here. I think we should just all ignore her from now on. I remember her, every single thread she posts is controversial, argumentative, and very defensive.

i wish admin and mods wouldn't be so fair sometimes, having to wait until someone actually breaks a rule to ban them, when sometimes it's so very clear of their intentions.

And for the members who feel like they hate it here and hardly ever post anymore, why are you still here?