[QUOTE=Mardelin;3387008]Just the fact that this breeder advertised in the local newspaper SCREAMS volumes. Picking a breeder from the classifieds is not something I would recommend anyone to do.

Hey! But, check it out....just do a meet and greet and evaluate.....ask questions, write answers, ask to see a contract......come back here and ask more questions....Do not, I say do not put down a deposit.[/QUOTE

I have to say...I advertise locally because I do not want my dogs shipped. I like to meet my puppy parents, watch them interact with my babies and...help them chose the puppy best suited for them. I am not a puppy mill or a backyard breeder. I agree.. go and meet the breeder and all of their dogs, then be the judge. I am not a member of the YTCA but, I am a damn good breeder who loves her dogs.

You make a good point. Why do the need to advertise. If you go by what they say, they don't have any puppies to sell to you anyway.

I see nothing wrong with this, and that's why I link YTCA breeder referral list, as there is usually a breeder who can be reached locally. I really believe it's so important for a puppy buyer to approve the conditions in which the dogs are kept, and not take anyone's word for it. I know most good breeders don't believe that you should breed before you have homes for the offspring, but I understand that some pet breeders will breed as a way to suppliment their income, and while I don't recommend this, I always think it's better to support a breeder where you can be 100% positive that the dogs are being treated property. I'm glad you are a breeder who doesn't want her dogs shipped, and this SHOWS me that you love your dogs!

Right there is the lie. Remember the white puppies were showing up in the show kennels first, born to champions. Upstanding long time members of the YTCA are beinhg told they are liars, that those white puppies never existed.

Why does the YTCA have a referral page? Well for one, as stated previously, it gives newbies a good place to start contacting people. Generally, even if they aren't selling pups they can be a wealth of knowledge or perhaps recommend another breeder who might be selling. I personally like the YTCA referral list as a RESOURCE. Resource as in yes it requires research like anything else.

It isn't a lie if they believe it to be true with their own resources. Granted it might not be accurate information and there may be white pups in the lines. I have no idea because I have not done genetic research and I am not a breeder. However, there is a big difference between LYING and just posting what you think is the correct information. Lying is intentionally being DISHONEST. They think they are correct and you think you are correct. They would have to be convinced otherwise and still say that for it to be a lie.

If "pet" breeders are breeding and able to suppliment their exhisting income then I question their breeding practices. I have been developing my own lines for the past 4 years and have lost more than my yearly salarey as a fulltime Deputy Sheriff due to horrible breeders!

You are under the misconception that only YTCA breeders hold a wealth of information.
There are Non YTCA breeders who just as capable to educate people about the breed and how go about to obtaining a nice pet puppy with out paying
a $ 2000- $ 5000 price tag.

That was uncalled for.

If you want to have credibility, you research before you put things on your website. this isn't just some Joe Schmoe that put up a website. this is an organization claiming to be the leading authority in the US on the yorkshire terrier breed.

And they put things on their webswite stating that NO WHITE DOG WAS USED IN THE MAKEUJP OF THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER. and THE WHITE GENE IS NOT IN THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER BREED.

Maybe someone should direct them to this thread, so they can correct their errors. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-tricolor.html

He is the one that said it first. The big man should not need someone to take his blows for him. He can sure dish them out readily enough. Up until his comment, the discussion stayed pretty civil.

I'm not saying they hold a TON of info and they are so great. I said you have to do you RESEARCH with anything, including the YTCA.

They are, however, a better place to start for research than a random google search! I've seen what comes up on those searches because that's where I started and you cannot tell me that a google search FILLED with mills is the place to go for pup search advice. :mad:

It is just another resource for new buyers if they are looking. It is less likely to include mill breeders or people who will lead you astray. I'm not saying non-YTCA don't have the same advice, which is why they should also utilize places like YT, but it is harder to steer random people over the internet to a good non-YTCA breeder in the area if you haven't been there yourself or bought from one in their location. It is just easier to give them the jumping point of the YTCA, but if people had local non-YTCA recommendations they could speak up in the thread like anyone else. Hence, forum.

I'm not against non-YTCA breeders. I have never said otherwise. I just said I think the YTCA is a good source for information and I think it is good they have a referral page. It isn't like I put anyone else down, jeez. I have no misconceptions thank you, you have misconceptions about me.

Why have you lost so much money due to horrible breeders?

The YTCA would have more credibility if they did their research before posting mis-information.

Unbelievable.

You always do this with words, Jeanie. The man said that anyone with an IQ higher than that of a potato would know why certain things are done. He did NOT call someone out as having an IQ below that of a potato. But....hey...look at the context in which YOU used it.

This thread needs to be closed. Congratulations to the person who turned it...you know who you are. Why not go help some people rather than looking for more controversy...happens all of the time and is mighty old. You surely did nothing to help this OP find a puppy.:thumbdown You were more concerned it seems in protecting those who might PM him. Just the same stuff different day I suppose.

He called you a potato? I must have missed it... In that case that was uncalled for on his part.

I wasn't taking blows for him, I just thought it was uncalled for. It still is.

No, he did not! My guess is she knows it....but just in case she does not, I suggest she go back and read what he said once again.

While you are trying to advance the claim that non YTCA breeders are just as capable to educate people, you are trying to generalize every YTCA breeder as one who will only sell you a pup for a hefty $2000-$5000 price tag. This is simply not true. The YTCA member that I spoke to was not suggesting I pay ANYWHERE NEAR $2000 for my pup, in fact she cared more about finding a good caring home, and that's with only having two pups available.

Misinformation or not about whatever color or whatever does not mean they don't hold good information on how to avoid mills and breeders who treat their dogs like s***. That is what this thread was about. To help this person avoid MILLS. They never even ASKED about partis for crying out loud!

I'm done with this thread. I did my best to help the OP with their search.

Just so you know, I like partis, in fact I was considering having my second pup (in approx. 3 years) be a parti. I just don't agree with bashing the crud out of the YTCA just because they don't agree with partis. I can still think they have some valuable info.

Ok, what are you talking about now. I did not call you a Potato....go back and read again slowly what I said. Any with the IQ ......go ahead.

BTW, it was nice when you offered to sell me a pup back in March or April for $800 and breeding rights, but I guess you forgot that. Yes Jeaniie, you PM'd me with that offer. That was after I asked why Parti;s cost so much, and your bud came out to attack me and try to get me banned,.

I do not need anyone here to take a blow. When I say something I mean it, and can stand on my own. Now again, why are you here, and why did you and the other lady go and ruin this thread?

Ya we all know they that is. The one who started with the insults.

I have never offered to sell you a pup. Sorry but you must have me mixed up with someone else. :rolleyes: I'll go check my PMs

You? Make sure you talk to a YTCA Breeder next time Jeannie. Ask questions, and buy the standard.

You must be looking in a mirror because you are the only one who hurled an insult.

I am sorry but you did offer to sell me a Parti for $800 and full breeding rightss. You words were, "not all breeders" are expensive. Sorry if you forgot!

Do not waste your time. Some are here only for their own self serving purposes. You roll in the mud with a Hog, get dirty.

I have every right to buy and breed parti colored, blondes, goldens and any other color I choose to.

I dont belong to the YTCA so therefore I am not goverened by their show standards.

The standards for the judges to judge by. They are not the law.

This entire thread is USELESS to the OP, now where is he going to go when he needs MORE HELP!?

OH Ya I found that. I told you what I sell mine for, and you told me what a fine breeder I was.

Thank you :D

I don't recall anything about breeding rights.

That's my point, exactly. Their research directly contradicts what Jenie's does. Accusing them of lying doesn't promote the conversation nor does it promote the case for Parti's.

Fact is, the AKC is not going to change it's standards and DQ's unless and until the Parent Club does. Calling them liars and badmouthing them every chance one gets isn't likely to make them welcome you with open arms.