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PETA (post #2) It is interesting that Ms. Newkirk used the word "speciesists". All words.come defines taht word as follows: 1. The discrimination against, and pxploitation of, animals by humans in the belief that humans are superior to all other species of animals and can therefore justifuy putting them to their own use. One of the animal rights mantras is that all animals are created to be equal to all humans, and hould have the same rights as humans. Just in case it still isn't clear to you what their agenda is, there are a few quotes from Ingrid Newkirk. "one day, we would like to end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. (Dogs) would pursue their nautural lives in the wild....they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and sit there and watch TV." ---The Chicago Daily Herald, 3/1/90 "In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether." - - Newsday, 2/21/88 Who is Ingrid Newkirk, and why should we care what she has to say about anything? In the 1970s, Newkirk worked for the Mongomery County (Maryland), and then for the District of Columbia, as an animal protection officer and deputy sheriff, before becoming DC's first female Poundmaster in 1978. She co-founded PETA in 1980 with established animal-rights activist Alex Pacheco. (1) PjETA stands for People for the ETHICA Treatment of Animals, but in my opinion, there is nothing ethical in what they do. Ms. Newkir has very close ties with several groups identified by the FBI as known terrorists groups, such as Animal Liveration Front (ALF). The animal rights groups are very well organized, and when you check closely, you will see many of the same names sitting on the boards of these radical groups. They are intertwined and closely linked through their finances, and the work that they do. PETA operates on annual budget of $29,000,000. Most of this is from donations made by ordinary citizens that don't know the real work of PETA. Many people think that they are out to save the lives of animals after seein all of their ads on TV and in the newspapers. That is why millions are donated to them each year. In Virginia, the home state of PETA, in 2004, PETA adopted out 361 animals, and euthanized 2,2u78, according to their records. (2) Those figures aren't good. That means they euthanized 86.3% of their animals and only adopted out 13.7%. These figures come directly from PETA's Annual Report and from their 2004 Tax Return. It doesn't seem like they used that $29 million for the betterment of the majority of the animals that they came in contact with. So where is the money going?. It is being spent for publicity to raise more money for one thing. It is also being used for Legislative purposes. They have placed key people in the city governments all over the country to try to influence legislation to take your pet ownership rights away. And they are having a lot of success with it. You need to understand the basic difference between the "animal welfare" groups and "animal rights" groups. Although the names might sould like they have the same objectives, there is a big difference. Animal welfare groups are working to see that allo animals are treated humanely. Animal rights groups are working to see that all ownership of animals comes to an end. |
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PETA (post # 3) As I said, PETA has close ties with many other organizations. One of those orginzations is the Humane Society of the Unitited States (HSUS). People donate millions to the HSUS each year, thinking that their money is going to save the lives of millions of animals. Nothing could be further from the truth. The HSUS does not own a single animal shelter anywhere in the country. Although, many shelters have the words Humane Society in their names, they are not associated in any way with the HSUS. The HSUS does not sponsor any spay or nueter clinic anywhere in the country. They do donate a very small percent of the annual budget to a few local humane societies, around $2 million annually, which just happens to be less than the amount that they spend in travel ewach year. Their major money is sent on fund raising and legislative activity. In 2005 they spent $28 million in for public mailings, $6 million in vegan educatio, $10 million in legislative campaigns and litigation. Their income for that year was close to $125 million. The HSUS was founded in 1954 as an animal welfare organization. But in the early 1980's, just about the same time as PETA was founded, they began to change to an animal rights organization. In the 19990's the personnel began to change to better fit with their new purpose, and today many of the personnel at HSUS have ties to PETA, including the current President, Wayne Pacelle. This is an interested quote from Wayne Pacelle: "we have no ehtical obligation to perserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding.....One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." - Animal People News (May 1, 1993) (3) When you combine other statements that he has made, with the above statement, in my opinion the meaning of this statement is that if we could spay and nueter all animals, we could eliminate pet ownership within one geration. "one generation and out" would mean to me that they are gone and are eliminated in only one generation. Quietly sitting back and maybe not being aware, we are now allowing the HSUS to make presentations at our local schools, with the definaite purpose to educate our children about how bad pet ownership is, to indoctrinate children to the thought tat animals should be free and not kept as pets. They are doing this in the same way they have infiltrated city councils and local governments all across the country, quietly and matter-of-factly. "Shortly after taking office, Pacelle announced a merger with the Fund For Animals which have assets of over $20 million, and the Doris Day Animal League. The combined group estimated its 2005 budget at "over $95 million" and also announced the formation of a new "political organization," which will "allow for more substantial investment of resources in political and lobbying activities." |
I watched the special documentary about the PETA and the history of the founder of this group. It is nice to see these things being discussed here on the open. I also do not agree with their cause or with their way of doing things. I personally know a very wealthy EX- supporter that withdrew all of his financial and moral support after watching the same documentary. It shows how did everything started, their motives and the strategies they use to advertise their cause. If all the money they raise was going to the welfare of animals would be one thing, but like MARDELIN explained, they have their 'own cause to defend". For the ones who support PETA , i suggest you do a bit of research on the personal life of the woman who started it all. Pay close attention to her personal choices when it comes to "having kids" and pet ownership. She makes her choices very clear her self. I am worried to post here my impressions after watching the interviews and the way she responded to the questions asked. And it was definitely bad "propaganda" to their organization since it did show their "raw" side. I can safely post it here that some people need psychological help! And that may be very case of some starting organizations that claim to be good to society, but actually only reflects the disorder withing their own emotions towards other humans and other live creatures who share affection with the humans. I may have crossed the line with my statement here. I hope not. But if you never read or know anything about the foundation on this group... well... read and research about it ! YOU MAY BE UP TO A SURPRISE ! |
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You're entire post was one of the most shocking I've ever read here at YT...but this sentence really blows my mind. To another poster, no one here has to tell me that I "need" to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare. Who are you to OWN the definition? I'm seriously asking that question, at this point? I mean really, I'm respectfully asking...? Animal Rights is not a dirty phrase, thank you! It is not shameful. I am deeply saddened by what I've seen in this thread. And yes, it's personal. I ask to be treated respectfully, as a member of PETA. I have never disrespected your memberships in organizations, please do the same for those members here at YT who choose to be members of PETA. |
PETA (post #4) So that is where we find ourselves today. With the HSUS and PETA combined annual budges of over $124 million for political and lobbying efforts to take away our rights to own animals. And that figure does not include the many splinter organizations that have been formed from these two major organizations. We are in an uphil battle now, and it will be the fight for our lives to keep our rights to own pets. There are going at it from many different angles. One way is to bet Breed Specific Legislation (BSL passed. The banning of Pit-Bulls all over the country is a good example. That has caught on like wildfire. The animal rights groups have said if they can just get one breed banned, then it will be easy to add others to it at a later date, until eventually all breeds are banned. Another way that they are going about it is to have mandatory spay and neuter laws in place. Just think about it, if all domestic animals are spayed and neutered, when they die, there will be no more comestic animals. Those same words have been said by Wayne Pacelle, the President of the HSUS. They have a very well thought out and planned agenda, and they are counting on the ignorance of the American people to get their agenda accomplished. Well gues what: Ignorance can be overcome by education. The American people may be ignorant about the facts, but they are not stupid. They can be educated. We were ignorant before 9-11, and look what effect that had. It caused all Americans to become educated and unite and fight to prevent that from happening again. The difference here is that we are being attacked from within our own country. We are under strong attack by the animal rights groups, and I hope that we don't just stand by and allow it to happen. The animal rights groups are publicly stating that we need to get laws passed so that they can close down all the puppy mills and commercial breeding facilities that have their animals living in inhumane conditions. Just about weveryone would agree with the idea that animals should be treated humanely. But that is just the vehicle that they are using to try do do away with all animal ownership, period. And that is not a statement that they are being all that public about. You can become active in this fight by telling your friends and neighbors what is going on. You can be an instrument of education. You can also fight this kind of legislation when it is presented in your area. Go to the City Council meetins and make your voice hears. Write letters to the state and federal government officials to offer your services to be on any animal related committee. In short get the word out to any and all your friends that own pets. Let them know what is going on. If enough people stop funding the animal rights organizations, we can put them out of business. There is not much that they can do without operating funds |
OMG, Mary :(! Let's see...I'm a PETA member who just rescued, fostered, and am now doing the PETWALK for a PITBULL. How would you like to label me? :( :( :( http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-guidance.html |
WOW! I just read 2 posts making reference to PETA members and terrorism.......REALLY? I've been called a hypocrite and now a terrorist? And please stop plastering the same old articles over and over again and telling me to do the research like I'm some idiot that doesn't research my causes. I've never been quiet about my beliefs in PETA and I refuse to be now but to assume that I don't know what the organization is about is just ridiculous. I don't agree with everything they do, but I agree with quite a bit of it and I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm also trying to be respectful to those you that do not. I'm always so sad when these threads become repetitive of all the hundreds of other PETA threads. I'm especially saddened by the judgmental and hateful nature of this one. With that said I'm going to renew my PETA membership and I feel good about it. |
PETA (post #5) The next time you think about making a donation to any of these organizations, you had better think long and hard aout whether you really want your money being spent to take away your rights. PETA HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES FARM SANCTUARY FUND FOR ANIMALS DORIS DAY ANIMAL LEAGUE EARTH SAVE GREEN PEACE PHYSICIANS FOR RESPNSIBLE MEDICINE ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT FRIENDS OF ANIMALS IN DEFENSIVE OF ANIMALs Right now the HSUS has started their "FIRST STrike Campaign". I find taht an iteresting chocie of names. At visualthesaurus.com they define first strike as follows: First strike: An attack that is intended to seize or inflict damange on or destroy an objective. Most people think that attack is on inhumane treatment of animals. They still don't know it is an attack to take your animas away from you. Last year over 10 million people donated money to the HSUS because of their massive spending on advertising. Most of those 10 million people had no idea what their money was actually goint to support. Better places to donate your money that will fight for your rights to own animals are listed below. These groups are working hard to protecty your right to own animals, and to expose the true agenda to much of the animal legislation going on all over the country. NATIONAL ANIMAL INTEREST ALLIANCE NAIA | National Animal Interest Alliance SPORTSMEN"S AND ANIMAL OWNERS' VOTING ALLIANCE SAOVA Working to identify and elect supportive legislators AMERICAN DOG OWNERS ASSOCIATION http://www.adoa.org/index.cfm You can either make your donations work for you or against you. That decision is yours to make Footnotes for REference: http://ww.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/456 www.nokillnow.comPETADVACreporting.pdf http://www.animalsscam.com/quotes.cfm http://ww.activistcash.com/organization overview.cfm/oid/136 Now let me add we live in the US and have the right to think for ourselves and chose our beliefs........Many of us don't agree with each other on various subjects, we should agree in each other's right to chose those beliefs. |
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I just know that I'm pretty involved with pet legislation and the dog world......and you know what a researcher I am and don't back anything unless I study all the ins and outs. |
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Debate is not meant to offend but to inform. I base my views by the information that I receive. I look at both sides and then form an opinion. I have yet to see a logical or ethical reason to support PETA and those that act on their behalf. I have not seen one post that lists any positive actions that this group has done. If there are.....list them and we can debate those. Respectfully, Pam |
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Why is it that when faced with the facts with articles about Peta , the arguement changed from a discussion about their practices to a forum where you are being disrespected? Before I would support any group or organization, I would be fully informed and educated on their pratices and ready to provide documentation to support my position. If you have such information I would gladly read it and then form an opinion based on it. Debate is debate, provide facts.........no whining allowed. |
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OK! Did a google search; it was on HBO and originally aired in 2007. Don't know if they plan to air it again soon. |
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Thanks Mary! Dang....I just knew it would be an HBO thing...and I don't want to pay for anymore cable fees:rolleyes: |
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I am a News Junkie a History Junkie and a Research Junkie. if it's out there I will find it...LOL Definitely have my nerdy side......:rolleyes: |
PETA is, indeed, against the breeding of dogs. Any dog. PETA Media Center > Recent News Releases : PETA Erects Tombstones to Protest Westminster Dog Show's Contribution to Shelter Dog Deaths PETA Erects Tombstones to Protest Westminster Dog Show's Contribution to Shelter Dog Deaths Grim Reaper Confronts Purebred Dog Enthusiasts With Grim Reality For Immediate Release: February 12, 2010 Contact: Virginia Fort 757-622-7382 New York -- Beneath a banner reading, "Every Dog Bred Means Another Dog Dead," PETA supporters will set up a "graveyard" with 40 tombstones--one to represent every 100,000 animals killed in animal shelters each year because of a lack of good homes--outside Madison Square Garden. When: Monday, February 15, 12 noon Where: Westminster Dog Show, Madison Square Garden, west side of Seventh Avenue at 32nd Street "When people buy a dog or cat from a breeder or pet store, they are subsidizing more breeding and at the same time denying a homeless animal in a shelter the chance to find a home," says PETA Vice President Daphna Nachminovitch. "Because animal shelters are so severely crowded, people who buy animals instead of rescuing them give shelters no choice but to euthanize healthy, loving animals." Each year, U.S. animal shelters take in an estimated 8 million animals--mostly dogs and cats. Half of them must be euthanized for lack of a good home. If you wish to learn about Ingrid Newkirk...simply google her name and the word interview. I will admit the info on their animal adoptions has always confused me, as PETA is located here and there is no PETA run shelter nor a shelter located at their facility. If one wants to have their animal euthanized free of charge...that is a service they offer. |
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February 17, 2010 Check out these two articles regarding the animal rights protest at Westminster Dog Show last night. If the links won't work right now, it's probably due to the large number of hits. Keep trying. Scottie Sadie wins Westminster after PETA protest - Yahoo! News Click on the SLIDE SHOW LINK directly under the picture of the animal rights extremist for many more pictures including the two demonstrators holding their signs up in the middle of the show ring during Best In Show saying: "Breeders Kill Shelter Dogs" and "Mutts Rule." A second article can be found at: Sadie the Scottie wins Westminster after protest - More Sports - SI.com The national legislative agenda of these radical zealots is to end all dog and cat breeding and ultimately all dog and cat shows. Eventually all pet breeding and pet ownership. They'll say anything and do anything to achieve their agenda. Less than 7% of animals in shelters are purebreds. True animal lovers don't let their friends donate to HSUS, PETA, ASPCA, Animal Legal Defense Fund and Texas Humane Legislation Network. Donate to your local animal shelters and Responsible Pet Owners Alliance! |
Until people fully understand what Animal Welfare organizations are and why they go after AKC then this heated debate will go on and on. Everyone can point fingers at PETA but please show me where AKC protects the dogs. I believe PETA has done more to help end animal misery than AKC has ever done.. AKCMission Statement THE AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB IS DEDICATED TO UPHOLDING THE INTEGRITY OF ITS REGISTRY, PROMOTING THE SPORT OF PUREBRED DOGS AND BREEDING FOR TYPE AND FUNCTION. FOUNDED IN 1884, THE AKC AND ITS AFFILIATED ORGANIZATIONS ADVOCATE FOR THE PUREBRED DOG AS A FAMILY COMPANION, ADVANCE CANINE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING, WORK TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL DOG OWNERS AND PROMOTE RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP. AKC also spends huge sums on $$$ on lobbyists...just go to their website to see all the legislation they are fighting ... = more puppies being born but protecting all breeders at all costs. AKC is the biggest supporter of puppymills by allowing registrations = more puppies being born and more being euthanized http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf http://images.akc.org/pdf/2008_annual_report.pdf In 2007 $6,584 in registration revenue In 2008 $10, 162 American Kennel Club - July 2007 Chairman's Report Chairman’s Report July 2007 A myriad of challenges and responsibilities face your Board of Directors and management everyday. Maintain a registry with the highest integrity so necessary to AKC breeders. Support and supervise the nearly 20,000 AKC approved events held every year. Lead the fight for improving the health and welfare of our dogs. Provide support and leadership in combating ill-conceived legislation which negatively affects our sport and our dogs. To accomplish these goals it is necessary to have a modern and efficient organization. Our annual budget of over 65 million dollars requires careful attention. As I have said before, our not-for-profit organization is not a business, but it must run in a business-like manner. All of our efforts to direct and grow the sport of purebred dogs are only possible if we generate the funds to support it. For many years the income from registrations paid for almost the entire budget of AKC. That has changed dramatically. In 1981 registration revenues accounted for 96% of AKC’s revenue. By 2006 that figure had dropped to less than 50%. In 1946 we registered slightly over 200,000 dogs. We peaked in 1992 with just over one and one half million. In 2006 we registered 870,192. We estimate that perhaps 20% of the dogs registered become involved in the sport. From that figure it is easy to understand that the registration dollars from those who did not involve themselves in the sport contributed mightily to support those that did. With a decreasing registration it is becoming apparent that not only must the Board and management develop new sources of income, but also that the sport itself must be prepared to contribute more to participate. It is possible to analyze our revenues by placing them in three groups: 1) Core revenue from the sport, 2) Core revenue not sport-generated, and 3) Alternative revenue. Core revenue, both sport and non-sport, is generated from AKC programs and services, such as registration, event and recording fees, magazine subscriptions, and pedigree sales, etc. Alternative revenues include sponsorships, licensed products and credit card royalties. While the great bulk of our annual budget expenditures are directed to the sport, we estimate that only 25% of our income is generated as “Core Income from the Sport.” Our reality is that the sport must share a larger portion of the costs of our sport. We must continue to address our declining registration problem. We must aggressively pursue alternative revenues. At the same time we must continue to be severely disciplined in our expenditures. When we achieve new alternative revenue, it is with the realization that this type of revenue is always less certain on a continuing basis than core generated income. What sells today may not sell tomorrow. I have shared with you these thoughts and figures because to understand what AKC is capable of doing one must appreciate the bottom line of our budget. Both the Board and management are optimistic that AKC has a bright future firmly committed to our tradition and goals and supported by a strong financial position. I say, clean up AKC and maybe I could believe they (breeders) really do care about the millions of animals euthanized every year. |
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It's good to see all viewpoints and decide for yourself. I for one don't want my rights to own a pet taken away...... |
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You are right AKC is not trying to take away your rights as a breeder...but how many animals have to die before we do start taking away some rights and AKC has to shoulder some of the blame for this mass killing of animals because they issue registrations to volume breeders. They do this for revenue so dog shows can go on. Why do you (any breeder) have the right to help kill millions of animals a year...when will the breeders say enough is enough. When will breeders come forward and stop protecting breeders who are cruel and inhuman to their dogs...AKC won't (•The standard penalty for anyone convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is a 10-year suspension and a $2,000 fine). Big deal. Why can't AKC and breeders figure out a way to help these animals instead of letting the majority of breeders just make $$$ off of these animals. I see AKC writing they care but I certainly don't see their actions doing anything to help the animals. New Hampshire House Bill 1624, which seeks to impose many unreasonable and unnecessary restrictions on responsible dog breeders and owners, will be considered by the House Environment and Agriculture Committee on Thursday, January 21. The American Kennel Club and our New Hampshire federation, the Dog Owners of the Granite State, both oppose this measure as it is currently written. We encourage all responsible dog breeders and owners in New Hampshire to contact their elected representative and the committee members listed below. Respectfully urge them to not move this bill out of committee without significant amendments. The American Kennel Club strongly supports humane treatment of dogs, including an adequate and nutritious diet, clean water, clean living conditions, regular veterinary care, kind and responsive human companionship, and training in appropriate behavior. The AKC also supports reasonable and enforceable laws that protect the welfare and health of purebred dogs and do not restrict the rights of breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously. The AKC opposes several provisions in the current bill, including: • Limiting any person from owning more than 50 intact dogs over the age of four months. The AKC believes that numerical limits do not address potential underlying issues of responsible ownership and proper dog care. • Requiring any person having more than 10 intact dogs over four months of age to provide specific care and condition requirements; and abide by existing state operation standards for pet shops and animal shelters. This limits owners from breeding females in consecutive heat cycles, and from breeding any dog that is younger than one year of age, without allowing owners and veterinarians to determine what is best for dogs. Additionally, qualifying breeders who keep dogs inside their private homes will be unreasonably forced to incorporate into their homes the costly building standards that pet shops and animal shelters are required to use. • Mandating that all debarking, tail docking, and surgical births be done by a licensed veterinarian and with anesthesia. The bill defines “tail docking” as the docking, cutting off, causing, or procuring the docking or cutting off of the tail of a dog over five days old. However, a six-day-old puppy would not be able to endure the anesthesia required by this bill. A workable alternative would leave the decisions regarding the best care to a treating veterinarian. • Authorizing any duly appointed agent of any humane society, SPCA incorporated in the state, or animal control officer, on the Agriculture Commissioner’s initiative or pursuant to complaints, to investigate possible violations. This may effectively deputize individuals not trained or sworn in as public officers, and allow them to enter and seize private property. |
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So does this mean you support dog fur from China? Animal testing for hairspay ? cosmetics? The list could go on and on... Or do you just care about your dogs and the show world? I bring all of this up because if you are against PETA then you need to be against AKC because all they do is bury the misery that is brought on by some of their actions in the dogs world. They are not clean either... |
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), with more than 2 million members and supporters, is the largest animal rights organization in the world. PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs. PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest campaigns. I am against animals suffering for anyone and I believe BREEDERS have to be the ones to step up in this country and fix how broken our system is...or most breeders are really farmers just producing their yearly crop. I don't think anyone can turn a blind eye to what is going on in this country...Help to fix the problem instead of pointing fingers. |
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