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MadDeDo 12-18-2009 05:08 PM
Holding Tail Down
 
I am watching a pup for show, and she is not wanting to hold her tail up. What can I do to encourage this?

jolissa 12-18-2009 06:54 PM
I have had this problem myself. I learned how to fix this problem on the Ceaser Milan show. On his show the dog was afraid of everything. His tail was always held down. He explained the you need to keep the tail up. So the dog will have attitude with his tail up. I was at a the yorkie specialty and a friend of mine could not get her yorkies tail up. Some of my friends tried to help her. I decided to try too. I put her tail up rub it gently and started to walk with her. Each time I stopped I did the same thing. Within a few minutes her tail stayed up. My friend took her in the ring and did the samething. It worked. I do use this at handling class too if my yorkie is alittle nervous. It really makes them feel more comfortable, happy and Attitude. Hope this helps you.

Mardelin 12-18-2009 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jolissa (Post 2921661)
I have had this problem myself. I learned how to fix this problem on the Ceaser Milan show. On his show the dog was afraid of everything. His tail was always held down. He explained the you need to keep the tail up. So the dog will have attitude with his tail up. I was at a the yorkie specialty and a friend of mine could not get her yorkies tail up. Some of my friends tried to help her. I decided to try too. I put her tail up rub it gently and started to walk with her. Each time I stopped I did the same thing. Within a few minutes her tail stayed up. My friend took her in the ring and did the samething. It worked. I do use this at handling class too if my yorkie is alittle nervous. It really makes them feel more comfortable, happy and Attitude. Hope this helps you.
Good suggestion. I usually rub the back of the tail as I'm holding it up and instead of keeping the dog in a stacked position while the other dogs have their turn with a judge we play with a toy.......gets their mind off of their fears.

tjdmom 12-18-2009 07:04 PM
I'm having the same problem with my Libby. I did notice at handling classes this week that it is starting to go up! Yeah! I hope it continues and stays there!

bjh 12-18-2009 08:37 PM
I have notice that some yorkies will hold their tail up nicely when moving but when they come back to the judge and stop their tail will go down. Does that count off a lot? I know baiting and getting them excited with a toy will sometimes help them keep the tail up when they are just standing still.

Mardelin 12-18-2009 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2921736)
I have notice that some yorkies will hold their tail up nicely when moving but when they come back to the judge and stop their tail will go down. Does that count off a lot? I know baiting and getting them excited with a toy will sometimes help them keep the tail up when they are just standing still.
According to the handler that taught me, grooming, handling and presenting a yorkie......the reason for yorkies doing fine on the go around and on the down and back, but dropping when they come back to the judge is the yorkie begins to think to much.......how to circumvent that is when presenting the yorkie & just before you get to the judge, before you stop pull out your toy, stand to the side and get the dog's attention. It works. Whether or not the judge counts the tail dropping is dependent on the dog, how well it presented itself and how showy it was before that point.

jolissa 12-18-2009 08:58 PM
When I rub the dogs tail I say," were's your tail, " so it has a name to what I want him to do. I practice this saying and get him excited, so his tail goes up. Now some of my yorkies who have had this problem don't anymore. They put it up on my command.;)

bjh 12-19-2009 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2921744)
According to the handler that taught me, grooming, handling and presenting a yorkie......the reason for yorkies doing fine on the go around and on the down and back, but dropping when they come back to the judge is the yorkie begins to think to much.......how to circumvent that is when presenting the yorkie & just before you get to the judge, before you stop pull out your toy, stand to the side and get the dog's attention. It works. Whether or not the judge counts the tail dropping is dependent on the dog, how well it presented itself and how showy it was before that point.
Thank you for your input. That makes lots of sense.

bjh 12-19-2009 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jolissa (Post 2921661)
I have had this problem myself. I learned how to fix this problem on the Ceaser Milan show. On his show the dog was afraid of everything. His tail was always held down. He explained the you need to keep the tail up. So the dog will have attitude with his tail up. I was at a the yorkie specialty and a friend of mine could not get her yorkies tail up. Some of my friends tried to help her. I decided to try too. I put her tail up rub it gently and started to walk with her. Each time I stopped I did the same thing. Within a few minutes her tail stayed up. My friend took her in the ring and did the samething. It worked. I do use this at handling class too if my yorkie is alittle nervous. It really makes them feel more comfortable, happy and Attitude. Hope this helps you.
Good advise. I have heard others say this, just keep rubbing the tail up and saying 'tail up' to the dog while you are doing it.

When you mentioned Cesar Milan I could not help but chuckle when I recalled an episode where someone had a larger dog that would not hold his tail up while gaiting. Cesar had the guy tie a rope to the dogs tail and walk the dog with his tail being held up with a rope. It worked, before long the dog was relaxed and moving with his tail up.

Mardelin 12-19-2009 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2921916)
Good advise. I have heard others say this, just keep rubbing the tail up and saying 'tail up' to the dog while you are doing it.

When you mentioned Cesar Milan I could not help but chuckle when I recalled an episode where someone had a larger dog that would not hold his tail up while gaiting. Cesar had the guy tie a rope to the dogs tail and walk the dog with his tail being held up with a rope. It worked, before long the dog was relaxed and moving with his tail up.
While I thorougly enjoy Cesar and putting aside he sides with PETA and HSUS, his training is marevous. But, I also remember an episode where he was working with 2 yorkies.....and stated that it was the hardest breed he's ever worked with. These little guys get something in their head and it's tough to get it out. I am an advocte of clicker training, it's pulled dogs out of some tough situations.......

bjh 12-19-2009 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2922002)
While I thorougly enjoy Cesar and putting aside he sides with PETA and HSUS, his training is marevous. But, I also remember an episode where he was working with 2 yorkies.....and stated that it was the hardest breed he's ever worked with. These little guys get something in their head and it's tough to get it out. I am an advocte of clicker training, it's pulled dogs out of some tough situations.......
I need to get me a clicker, I have not tried that yet. I also still need to order a flat rat.

Doesn't tail set and tail length also effect how well a dog carries it's tail? I have seen some yorkies that just don't seem to like to hold their tail up. I have one pup, almost 8 months old, that her tail looks like it is vibrating she wags it so much, her dad's tail does the same thing. Really cute.

tjdmom 12-19-2009 07:28 AM
Has anyone heard of SATZ training? It's similar to clicker training...
SATZ stands for Saft Alternative Teaching Zone.....

Mardelin 12-19-2009 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2922012)
I need to get me a clicker, I have not tried that yet. I also still need to order a flat rat.

Doesn't tail set and tail length also effect how well a dog carries it's tail? I have seen some yorkies that just don't seem to like to hold their tail up. I have one pup, almost 8 months old, that her tail looks like it is vibrating she wags it so much, her dad's tail does the same thing. Really cute.
The wagging can be worked around too. Tail set does have much to do with top-line....I do have a girl with a slightly low tail set (not my breeding), but she held her tail at the right level when she was being Championed.....

There are some downloading training instructions on clicker training......the key is making sure you condition the puppy first.

bjh 12-19-2009 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2922014)
The wagging can be worked around too. Tail set does have much to do with top-line....I do have a girl with a slightly low tail set (not my breeding), but she held her tail at the right level when she was being Championed.....

There are some downloading training instructions on clicker training......the key is making sure you condition the puppy first.
Thanks Mary, I will check it out. At what age should clicker training begin?

Theresa, I have never heard of the SATZ training. Have you tried it? How does it compare to the clicker training?

Mardelin 12-19-2009 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2922049)
Thanks Mary, I will check it out. At what age should clicker training begin?

Theresa, I have never heard of the SATZ training. Have you tried it? How does it compare to the clicker training?
I usually begin at 3 months of age. The conditioning


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