it all depends on the vet i guess, and what type of incision they are going to do to close. Since the tail is bigger, they can't just close it will a stitch and some glue like babies. ummm, i would venture to guess that they'd want the whole tail shaved because they'd at least want a clipper blade in length to ensure enough room to close and keep everything sterile. And seeing that they tail once docked is about that length anyway, there wouldn't really be an area of hair left.

Dee,

You know that screening doesn't always cut it....There have been several breeders on YT that have sold dogs to people they thought they had developed a relationship with via the internet, the buyers were YT members too....some of the breeders suffered and some of the buyers suffered..

I know that it can even happen between those that know each other on a personal basis....but, there is less chance if you buy a dog from someone that you can visit their facilities, put your hands on a dog and develope a relationship with the breeder. Especially when you are purchasing a show or breeding dog.

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Mary...I think it is the accepted thing in Europe..they do not seem to fault them for it..

I saw an Italian dog once in NY (long time ago)..I was talking to the handler and mentioned the ears were so well set and tiny..honestly they almost touched. The handler told me they all tie ears and we were so silly not to...I was so dumb I had to ask someone what "tied" ears meant...
I do not recall ever seeing a natural ear set as close set as most of those on Sweetblue site...it does make a striking picture. Good ears are very high on my list..

Yes, I know that screening doesn't always cut it. But it helps weed out a bunch. Heck, you know from being on here, that there have been two or three times I have screened YT members, thought they were great had many phone conversations with them, then found stuff out and cancelled the sale and returned their deposits. it has happened to me at least three times right on here. i will cancel a sale in a heartbeat. I guess the point I was trying to make is in regards to the comment that reputable breeders do not sell on puppyfind. Some do. But, I have even encouraged people that have contacted me that it is always better if they can find a breeder close by so they can go and see the puppy. I believe that is still the best way to go but is not always an option.

Good ears are high on my list too.

I remember showing Denny, Ch This Time Grand Slam...his ears are so tight it's unbelievable...don't remember where I was showing him, but it was Jackie Stacy who was judging.....she ran her hands through his top knot so roughly looking to see if they were tied....but, what was so amazing she put up a dog that had huge ears and they were Eastie/Westie....

The point I was attempting to make is just that, it's best to be able to meet your breeder and the breeder meet you, see your dog and be able to put your hands on it....I know where you live it's not a big metropolis....so, it's not always an option......but, it is the best way.

I would never advertise my pups on YT or any other internet source or newspaper. The only thing that will come up with my name with yorkies, is on the YTCA website. My puppies are either sold before they are born or when I have screened buyers from a referral.

Donna
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Amen to that Donna and I do know that you have a waiting list prior to the breeding.

I learned about tied up ears from Jackie Hungerland... I was showing Taz and when I put him on the table she looked at him and then looked at me and then she ran her fingers just like you said and I asked her, "What are you doing?" (because I had never seen that done before) and she told me she was checking to make sure his ears were not tied up... I hadn't realized that pple did that so I asked my mentor who explained in more detail... She gave me BW...

Good ears are high on my list too...

Any other opinions on these females?

YorkieNewbie22, may I ask from what country this dogs are?

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The reason I'm asking , because I just recently got 2 dogs from Russia myself. More or less good breeders in Russia know each other and since they are often go to the dog shows all over the Europe they may know the breeder who is selling this pups.
I also agree, that the fact that this dogs are on a puppyfind.com is not a good sign. It took me more than a year to find the "right"dogs.

The puppies look pretty but you are seeing them advertized online. You don't know for sure if you'll get the same puppy if you were to buy without physically seeing the puppy first. I will say this...I bought Radar without seeing him in person but I knew who I was getting him from. I knew their dogs and their lines and they have been showing for years. That would be the only way I'd buy a dog I didn't see first. Anyway that is my opinion and again I wouldn't advertize my dogs online.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

http://www.happyblue.hu/

The lady I am dealing with is named Krisztina, it would awesome of you to ask to see they have heard of her or not.

I have had multiple people contact me, or found info on the net with dogs from this kennel and they have been into showing for years and have sold dogs to several people who are very satisfied with the business they have done.

They are from Hungary. What kennel may I ask you got your new dogs from?

Just giving an opinion! Me being a reputable breeder doesn't need the internet to sell puppies for show. In fact...I wouldn't sell a show dog without "FIRST" knowing the person personally, knowing their intentions and doing a total screen. I would have no clue what my dogs would be doing in another country. JMHO.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I completely understand! Then maybe you can help point me in the right direction? I am somebody that does not have ANY yorkie friends. My family and friends oo's and aw's at my little MiMi, but they dont know a thing about dogs and breeding. So I have little to start from and even less to learn from. :(

I'd start out by attending local shows in your area. Go watch the yorkies in the ring and start talking to the exhibitors and gaining their trust. When I started out I didn't have any yorkie friends either. I started by attending the dog shows and then joined a local yorkie club. In my opinion it takes some time to get the right yorkie for you. There will be show exhibitors and breeders that will be happy to mentor you just find the shows in your area and get started there. I hope this helps.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Well I can go to local shows in my area, I am shy and I would feel odd just walking up to people and introducing myself while they were busy trying to show their dogs. I could try and catch the ones I like after the shows? :D How do I start up a convo? Sorry such a silly questions, but I have a hard time talking to people I dont know.

While I could understand not feeling comfortable advertising your babies on the internet (i might take that route as well, I will probably just place puppies with people I know and family), but how do you feel about buying from breeders that advertise on the net, would ever buy from them or you think I should stay clear?

I guess i just feel really intimidated by others since I have read and heard that show breeders can be a little...eh....not so nice. I am a nice person and want to make some yorkie friends, but its hard when you heard so much negative. I am sure there are nice breeders out there that dont mind helping.

There are lots of YT people here in California, maybe I could meet up with them and maybe hang out at a show with them so they can point out things for me and be there if I have questions?

You would go up to the exhibitors "AFTER" they show LOL :) And you're not asking silly questions at all...attend several shows first watch the yorkies in the ring figure out what kind of yorkie you like. Just watch for awhile until you feel comfortable approaching someone. Some show breeders can be mean but once you prove yourself wanting to do this and committing yourself you'll gain their trust. I'm a nice person LOL. I love to talk yorkies but again I'm still considered new even after showing just 4 years but I wouldn't sell a show yorkie to anyone yet because I don't feel comfortable doing it since I am still trying to develop my own eye for a good show dog. Until I know I feel confident in my own choices with my own breeding then only will I sell a show dog but to only those I know. I would never buy from online. I have certain breeders I would buy from anyway and they don't advertise their dogs for sale on the internet or paper.
I hope this helps in some way. Feel free to ask anything and I'll try and answer the best way I can.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Thanks for the advice! I've already checked when the next specialty Yorkie show in La will be, its not until Oct 08. But I dig around and try to find some in other areas that I can travel to. Thank god my hubby is so understanding and willing, he is ok with traveling with me so I have that on my side! He loves the dogs too! You should hear him baby talk to MiMi LOL!

Here is the second females ped, her name is Chip
 

Durrer's EZ does It





F: Durrer's beautiful stranger

M: durrer's candycane



Father: Chippendale of happy blue Billy joe of the rman road- Majestic magic charger





M: Jambalaya of happy blue

Vooddoo of happy blue





F: Durrre's beautiful stranegr





Mother: Hip Hip Hurrah of happy Blue Mosquito du gue de L'adour- durrer's high flyer



M: Whoopee of happy blue

The smaragd of the royal crown cher

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the format got all messed up, i dont know how to post it any other way... :eek:

My hubby loves the dogs too! I have too many so he can't travel with me because someone has to stay home with them LOL. It's nice to hear you are willing to wait and attend shows. Do more reading and homework and when the time is right you will find the right yorkie for you. I know some it's taken over 2 years for their first show dog so it will take patience. I was lucky it didn't take me that long. I love showing it's a passion of mine. I would rather show than breed that's for sure but alas I feel I have to breed for that next show dog! :) I love this breed so that I'm willing and was willing to do whatever necessary to do what is right for the breed.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Where are you from? I know there is a show in the LA area this weekend that Mardelin (Mary), my breeder/mentor/friend will be attending. If you would like, I'll try to get the info from her or see if I can reach her and have her fill you in. She's wonderful to talk to and as you might have noticed, very informative.
Glad to see Donna is also helping. She is also very helpful and quite nice..(Now don't go and get a big head, Donna. lol)

Nawww no big head here LOL I don't have the energy for that LOL. I'm actually still learning myself.

Donna

Oh please do let me know the info for this show! I would LOVE LOVE to go! I am from the Mojave Desert area, about 2 hours away from LA, but I am willing to drive and I am quite used to it actually. I have to drive a good distance to even get my groceries lol.

Sure...the name of the kennel is Smilain / breeder SMIRNOVA Marina
she is here #3 http://www.sweetyblue.com/sweety/Pri.../Challenge.asp
I also talk to Mini Shop's breeder and Kochav Ha-Carmel's breeder and many more in different forum and on the phone, but most of them don't speak English very well...
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I posted the question about the kennel you are thinking about getting the dog. I'll keep you posted.

YorkieNewbie22 If you live in LA area you can look here http://ytcofla.homestead.com/MeetingDates.html

or here:
http://mollymariespretties.net/links.html