I have been in rescue long enough and seen enough problems for me to feel very comfortable saying that Joli is not going to live well with other pups. I am not one to categorize a pup easily....aggressive pups do not frighten me. I have taken them into my home and they have done well...BUT I draw the line with a pup that latches on to do harm...and does not let go. Not only are the other pups stressed...but so is the aggressive one. We want what is best for Joli and I believe a home without other pups is that.
As for YHR's guidelines...we don't have anything etched in stone. Our goal is to assess the needs of our foster pups and do what we think is best for them. We expose them to as much as we can and evaluate them and then do our best with their interests in mind.

Do you think thay aside from being in a single dog home she's a canidate for antianxiety drugs?

You sound like this is an extreme case and I had Scoobers on prozac for almost a year it help with fear aggression and his separation anxiety.

I'm sure you know only extreme cases require meds but if her behaviir was alarming to you after all your experience it must be shocking.

I really hope someone steps forward quickly for this lil gal, with these issues she needs permant placement in the right home right away.

Maybe this issue isn't from a lack of training and socialization could be something else

She could definitely use a behaviorist but it is not something that Ashley has been able to do.

YHR cannot take her in. I kept her for a week on a trial and it simply is not something I can handle with my pups here. We do not have a home that is willing to risk the lives of their pups and we are not going to take a pup in and keep her in jail.

Yes, she is extreme. And, yes, perhaps someone could foster her successfully, but we cannot provide it and I don't know anyone in this area who could.

It is easy for someone to look and say oh, this can be done and that can be done, but the reality is that rescues are jam packed and overwhelmed and do the best they can. Nothing in life is perfect.

Sadly, her home that she has always known brought another pup in and this is when her problems were noted. All of the things that you have brought up have been discussed with her owner.

I am so sorry this little one hasn't been placed yet. I pray that maybe a retired couple with no other furkids will find it their hearts to take her in and love her.

Good News!
 

I may have found Joli a home! It came about more or less randomly. I was bugging my boyfriend and said he should post on his FB, and almost immediately one of his highschool friends messaged him and said that her mom had been thinking about getting another yorkie (she had one years ago). She is home almost all of the time, all of her skin kid are grown and she doesn't have any other dogs. Everything I have heard about her is really great and I hope it works out. My BF talks to his friend fairly often, so if it works out then we will still be able to know how she is doing and maybe visit after she has settled in. She is staying with her tonight and her potential new mom is going to call tomorrow and let us know how everything went. So everyone pray/send good thoughts that Joli is being bonding well. She seemed to like her a lot and didn't freak out when I left, so hopefully all goes well.

Thanks for all the thoughts.

Best wishes to Joli. I hope all goes well for her.

Hope all went well for Joli.

Oh, Ashley, I do hope this works out for all!! Prayers that it will!

Oh Ashley this sounds so good. I pray that this new home will work out for Joli.

We are keeping all paws and fingers crossed.

I can't wait to hear something.

Hope she joins Yorkie Talk!

I hope this works out Ashley...keeping fingers crossed! Keep us posted please.

Just read this thread, cant wait to here how it goes:)

Not trying to throw a spanner in the works here, but this is the part I personally don't understand....

Why would the first dog, who is 2 yrs old, get rehomed? Why wouldn't a home be sought for the newcomer? It seems like it would be easier to place the new addition given the respective temperaments.

Perhaps the following post will help you understand a bit more. The bottom line is that Ashley was not going to just dump her pup like so many that I see....she has stuck it out and done what she thinks is best.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3871411-post42.html

Praying it works out!

I have heard from the new family a couple of times in the form of short texts and it sounds like it is going really well. She is starting to become her sweet and affectionate self with her new mommy! ( :( at new mommy, but also :) at liking her new mommy) so this seems like it is going to work out. They seem more afraid that I will "take her back" if they say anything about her being bad than wanting to give her back. I still don't want to say it is permanent until she has been there longer and they have had a chance to see more of her personality. Though if she isn't around any other dogs hopefully she wont ever have to see her true bad side.

I have extreme mixed emotions about the whole situation. I miss her deeply, but I truly think she will be happier. And my poor bf was crying the day after she went to live with at the new home when he was trying to sleep. :( she was the first real pet that was (almost) his. Somi even seems sad though she was the one being attacked. And I know my Joli must be sad missing us. But I know in the long run we will all be much less stressed and it will be a better situation. (though the only ones that seem only happy about the situation are my roommates cats, which have taken full advantage of Joli being gone by constantly roaming my room and eating Somi's food. They always think they are starving and Somi is not nearly as territorial as Joli. Stinking cats)

Thanks for everyone for the good thoughts and prayers. And thanks ladyjane snd YHR for all the help the last few months!

Has anyone visited the home of the new owners?

I would not liek to ask or insis in suggest but repeat some advice already given numerous times, for anyone in this situation.

Even when a dog is re-homed the issues aren't solved. I really hope the new owners consult a behaviorist and use that information to work with a trainer and learn to work with these issue Joli is having.

I hope they continue to work with the vet she has previously seen and if meds can aid in this through the retraining etc I hope they are all open to it. I personally innitial found it both funny to suggest and ludacris to put a dog on antidepressant to deal with behaviors issues such as aggression and anxiety-it works though.

I hope the new owner joins YT to share in the continuation of Joli, and to utalize this place as we all do as well-and of course I hope this situation works out for everyone.

I can only imagine how terrified they would be to say anything negative after accepting her into their home the fear of her being taken back must be a huge burden for them to bear right now.

Question: Is there or was there any type of re-homing contract?>something like that could make everything very clear and put everyone at ease-perhaps too late here but I'd hope others would consider this.

Joli has not ever been aggressive with people. We have successfully placed two very aggressive pups over the past few years...both of them were horrible, just horrible with other dogs and wonderful with people. They now live in SINGLE PET HOMES and are doing fantastic. We stay in touch with the owners....and one of our members has seen the one who was placed three years ago and she is FINE.
It is not true that the issues cannot be solved by moving a dog aggressive dog to a single pet home. Joli is fine with people....and not with other dogs.
As for this home, I have no clue because YHR had nothing to do with the placement...I can only assume that Ashley was very careful in this. She has spent a lot of time talking with me about how to find a good and responsible home.

I don't follow you. If a pup is happy and well adjusted away from other pups....why do you think meds are in order for Joli? She is a very well adjusted pup from all I could see while I had her...and she was that way with Ashley from what I gathered. Other pups set her off!! This sometimes does happen...and the easiest solution is to find a single dog home. If that did not work, then I suppose all of your other suggestions might be in order....but I can tell you I would never medicate pup just because she wanted to be with people.

I know you think I am wrong, but I have seen it work. I don't know what your experiences are, but you have to compare apples to apples. All aggressive pups are not the same.

It's apples to apple just two different opinions.

Yours is compensating for the dog's needs and mine is to fully rehabilitate if possible.

My initial experience in rescue was with pits used as fight dogs. I had a freidn who was a specific breed trainer who worked in rescue privately with them in evaluation. He actually trains police dogs for a living.
Less than 10% can be saved, the issue with fight dogs is not that they are ever aggressive towards people in fact even in full on death locks they won't bite a person sticking their hand between them, their issue is specific to dog and prey aggression. So I do fully understand how dog to dog aggression is often a lost cause to try and cure.
However we're talking about what seems to be a very fearful Yorkie, not a dog bread in linage specifically and then trained specifically to show dog aggression.

My second experience was working with a wolf breeder, as a friend learning about them while considering if I wanted a wolf myself. Admittedly my general knowledge is there however, I was just a helper and I'm not trying to say I'm an expert on this in anyways. Wolfs by nature have dominance, territorial issues with both people and other animals, as well a high prey drive.

I wouldn't count my work with the humane society as all that comprehensive because I did it many years ago as a child and teen and later my volunteer work was more specific to find raising and behind the scenes not working with animals directly.

I have limited experience with a few other types of rescues as well, transport, fostering advocacy etc.


With Scoobers I was first suggested to just keep him as an only dog and to keep him from socializing as a normal dog. We couldn't even go for a walk around other dogs.

I was completely in over my head with the needs of dealing with a pup mill rescue and Scoobers and I learned as we went. I get the idea you have, however I respectfully disagree that until all efforts are exhausted the solution of being an only dog is a permanent solution.

Scoobers used to try to break through the neighbor's fence to get to their boxer who was about 5 times his size as a pup, although I'm lucky Scoober was under a year and it did take about a year to make progress. However he is still grumpy with other dogs coming on his bed at times he will snarl, but he is so much happier being in a pack now that we've dealt with his aggression issue.

Apple to apples just differing opinions.

Sorry you don't get my perspective I just feel anything-less is obtuse to effort, liek to say it's not complete rehabilitation.

Nevertheless is being a single dog in a home is what works for Joli then who cares she;s in a functioning situation and that's all that really matters in the end.

That is/was my point all along.

I completely agree with you. :)

Oh, I hope it all works out for everyone. I know your heart has to be breaking, Ashley:( I\'m so sorry! You did what was best for all involved, though, and I hope that you can take some comfort in that:love: