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QuickSilver 04-01-2010 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3066124)
The other woman who I did Yorkie rescue with when I lived in Tucson was very involved with the whole issue of the birds and has 5 of them. She used to sit on the board for the following organization but now just handles their database.

The Oasis


What I know is from her and you are right...just more people making $$$ off of the birds in this case.

I am trying to think of the movie that came out about this whole issue...It was filmed in San Francisco maybe???? The birds of avalon?????

I don't understand why any of these animals have to be captured and live this kind of life...
The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill!

Amazon.com: The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill: A...Amazon.com: The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill: A...
I read and loved the book, but there is a documentary as well for you more visual types. :D The parrot flock in SF is really an amazing sight (and sound).

QuickSilver 04-01-2010 08:26 PM
Winograd claims that almost all shelters operate per HSUS written guidelines. These guidelines don't have any kind of kill or adoption targets specified. Instead, it has rules such as that a dog must be held for five days before it is destroyed. I believe it also mandates that all cats must be adopted out as indoor pets only. They must be online somewhere -- I'll try to find a link.

livingdustmops 04-01-2010 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3066218)
The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill!

Amazon.com: The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill: A Love Story . . . with Wings (9781400081707): Mark Bittner: Books

I read and loved the book, but there is a documentary as well for you more visual types. :D The parrot flock in SF is really an amazing sight (and sound).
Thank you..Thank You...yep that is it.....I wasn't even close was I with the name...haha..but you got where I was going with it...strange minds stick together...

livingdustmops 04-01-2010 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3066221)
Winograd claims that almost all shelters operate per HSUS written guidelines. These guidelines don't have any kind of kill or adoption targets specified. Instead, it has rules such as that a dog must be held for five days before it is destroyed. I believe it also mandates that all cats must be adopted out as indoor pets only. They must be online somewhere -- I'll try to find a link.

Might be interesting to see who really sets the standards...hope you find something...

QuickSilver 04-01-2010 08:37 PM
Well, that was easy. It seems like pretty generic stuff, though there is a link to proper adoption policies in the following doc. I'll take a look at that too.

http://files.hsus.org/web-files/HSI/...r_policies.pdf

Woogie Man 04-01-2010 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3066216)
Keep it up and you to will be a member of "you know who"..haha because yes we are destroying the animal kingdom with our greed and with no thoughts of what is really going on.

Yes, you should call the Oasis and talk to them..I have one of their newsletter somewhere on my desk but I can't find it right now. This sanctuary is about an hour from Tucson so it is warm. The birds at the Oasis are there forever...they are not adopted out.

I can see the woman who runs it...but for the life of me I cannot remember her name...boy I hate when that happens.

I am sure I will wake up in the middle of the night and go bingo..her name is..

I do know that Best Friends also has some birds...
That's not likely..hahaha. Actually, I do think P*&% has done a lot of good in some areas but have major disagreements on some things they do. I am very concerned with the issues of factory farming and loss of wild habitat and I don't think it's extremist to be humane.

I will contact Oasis, at least to talk to them. I'm in no hurry to 'get rid of' Floyd and want to make sure I make the best decision possible for him. I do know that not all sanctuaries are the same and I bet Oasis could at least give me some guidance.

QuickSilver 04-01-2010 08:41 PM
Adoption guidelines. Again, pretty mild.

http://files.hsus.org/web-files/HSI/...s_adoption.pdf

livingdustmops 04-01-2010 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3066263)
That's not likely..hahaha. Actually, I do think P*&% has done a lot of good in some areas but have major disagreements on some things they do. I am very concerned with the issues of factory farming and loss of wild habitat and I don't think it's extremist to be humane.

I will contact Oasis, at least to talk to them. I'm in no hurry to 'get rid of' Floyd and want to make sure I make the best decision possible for him. I do know that not all sanctuaries are the same and I bet Oasis could at least give me some guidance.
I agree with everything you have stated.

My friend with Yorkie rescue worked with Alex and Irene Pepperberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)

livingdustmops 04-01-2010 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3066265)
Adoption guidelines. Again, pretty mild.

http://files.hsus.org/web-files/HSI/...s_adoption.pdf
Nothing brillant there...

Still wonder exactly who monitors the organizations we think are saving animals..

Look at what happened to Woggie's Man's Shelter...she was arrested for animal cruelty...

Woogie Man 04-01-2010 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3066221)
Winograd claims that almost all shelters operate per HSUS written guidelines. These guidelines don't have any kind of kill or adoption targets specified. Instead, it has rules such as that a dog must be held for five days before it is destroyed. I believe it also mandates that all cats must be adopted out as indoor pets only. They must be online somewhere -- I'll try to find a link.
You know, if you go to my local shelter's site, there's no mention of HSUS. You would think there would be if the guidelines were anything more than an advisory put out by HSUS.

Cindy, i tried the link about Alex but there's not much there. I assume you're talking about Alex, the African Grey. He was an awesome bird but died too young. I think he was around 26 when he died and a Grey's life span is 60 - 80 years.

livingdustmops 04-01-2010 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3066335)
You know, if you go to my local shelter's site, there's no mention of HSUS. You would think there would be if the guidelines were anything more than an advisory put out by HSUS.

Cindy, i tried the link about Alex but there's not much there. I assume you're talking about Alex, the African Grey. He was an awesome bird but died too young. I think he was around 26 when he died and a Grey's life span is 60 - 80 years.
Now that is strange...it was there when I posted...ok better check I have underwear on...another strange moment...and yes that is who I am talking about...

I have never heard shelters following the HSUS guidelines but when I read the guidelines they are very wishy washy so don't sure if any of it really matters. I know the shelter I worked with in Tucson had much stricker guidelines on top of those.

maps4pets 04-02-2010 01:14 AM
Japan's unwanted dogs face almost certain death.
 
As we are on the subject, I just got sent this:

Around the World Dog News

livingdustmops 04-02-2010 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by maps4pets (Post 3066488)
As we are on the subject, I just got sent this:

Around the World Dog News
What an interesting link (the website) but how sad...

Woogie Man 04-02-2010 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by maps4pets (Post 3066488)
As we are on the subject, I just got sent this:

Around the World Dog News
I read from the link and what struck me was the low % of dogs PTS in Britain. Though they are dealing with much smaller numbers than here in the U.S., the percentage is enviable. I went to the Dogs' Trust website and browsed around. Here's the link....
Dogs Trust - Home

It doesn't seem that they employ any unique methods other than what we all are familiar with. Maybe it's just more of a will to fully employ the methods rather than anything revolutionary that leads to their success.

Woogie Man 04-02-2010 07:11 AM
Here's a little food for thought i found....

Making a Friendlier World for Man's Best Friend: A new economic paradigm for addressing dog overpopulation and the effectiveness of policy alternatives


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