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Food Ingredient Allergy Help These are the ingredients in Ellie's food. Any idea what ingredients in here could cause allergies if any at all? I know corn can but she hasen eaten it before with no problems. She is also not allergic to chicken. Ingredients: ROYAL CANIN Veterinary Diet™ canine HEPATIC LS 14 Rice, ground corn, chicken fat, soy protein isolate, natural flavors, dried beet pulp, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, inulin, vegetable oil, dicalcium phosphate, fish oil, DL-methionine, choline chloride, L-lysine, taurine, monosodium phosphate, vitamins [DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin K supplement, folic acid], L-carnitine, marigold extract, trace minerals [ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, calcium iodate], preserved with natural mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract, and citric acid. |
Corn can cause allergies in dogs and that's the second ingredient. I would definitely find a new food that doesn't contain corn, wheat or fillers. |
To me, the ones that DEFINITELY stand out as big no-no's are: Ground Corn and Dried Beet Pulp Someone people believe dried beet pulp is ok to give to their pet but after some research, I found that it can cause allergies. The biggest concern on that list is the CORN. Corn is directly linked to allergy problems in canines. I'd definitely switch to a different food. |
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I really wish I could switch but this is a veterinary diet. If I don't go with this I have to go with Science Diet. I will homecook after talking to a nutritionist but I don't have Ellie's diagnosis yet, so that has to wait. She can't have over about 18% protein a day. |
I am wondering since she has eaten corn and chicken, if it is the beet pulp. |
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Allergies don't start right away. They start after repeated exposure to a particular ingredient. Ellie may have recently developed an allergy to corn or chicken or both. Corn, soy and wheat are the three top allergy causing ingredients in dog foods. Why, oh why, would they put corn in a prescription diet? BTW, Science Diet uses corn, too. My Lady has food allergies and I have to use "odd" protein sources like venison or duck. I also have to rotate through foods regularly to avoid her developing sensitivities to those, too. |
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Ooops...should have read your full reply before posting. |
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IF MISS ELLIE DEVELOPS FOOD ALLERGIES ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, I AM GOING TO BE LESS THAN HAPPY!!! Sorry about the all caps. I am just upset today. I have no idea why they would put corn in dog food. I am guessing it is because they are...not thinking. Soy needs to be in there because it is a nonmeat protein. After all this I might end up switching to SD. Ellie's poor vet has to put up with me.:rolleyes: I just told her I wouldn't consider SD. Wylie's Mom, the vitamin K does concern me too. The problem is this food and SD have it in. I am thinking it is menadione and I hate the stuff. |
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Ellie's bile acids are high and she might have a little bit of a liver issue. Her food needs to be less than 18% a day. If you went by grams it is 2-3 grams of protein a day for every kilogram of body weight. So about 7 grams a day for Ellie. I am considering breaking the 18% rule and putting her on Avoderm vegetarian. I wish I was comfortable enough to homecook without a nutritionist for a medical problem but I'm not. I guess if Ellie scratches her ears off on this food (if that's even doing it) I will suddenly become comfortable with no nutritionist.:rolleyes: |
Corn is a cheap filler which is why these companies use it. With what we pay for prescription food, you'd think they would use better ingredients. My Lady is diabetic and I refuse to feed her the prescription diets because they are full of corn and peanut hulls. Yup, ground up peanut hulls which have no nutritional value! What symptoms does Ellie have? Inhaled allergies are actually more common than food allergies. If you suspect food allergies, it's usually recommended that you try an elimination diet. Stick to one protein and one carb, nothing else (even in treats). Gradually add things back until you find out what she is sensitive to. |
Well, I didn't think Ellie had food allergies. She just had some sensitivity to lamb. She is on this food for her liver. I can't eliminate anything because there are about five choices for liver compromised dog food. There is Science Diet, Royal Canin, Purina (NOT A CHANCE), Avoderm Vegetarian (slightly higher in protein but it is good protein), and Natural Balance. I am not convinced that Natural Balance has their recalls under control so I didn't want to go with them. I hate Science Diet. I was just wondering what everyone thought the itching could be from if it isn't corn. I guess she could have acquired a corn allergy though. If it is an allergy to the soy, that would be very bad for us because that is a very acceptable protein for the liver. |
Considering the fact she has other health issues, it might be worthwhile to get allergy testing to find out for sure. The food situation is a nightmare with the recalls. It's so hard to know what is really safe. |
Is the a lower protein kibble that has fish? Can she have that instead? Fish is a cleaner protein. |
Well you won't believe this one. She can't have fish because it has lots of purines. It could send her into UTIs again and increase the chance of her getting Ammonium Biurate Crystals. If she could have fish I would do Dr. Doods diet. I have been told I can replace the fish in the diet with eggs but I don't want to give her eggs and cottage cheese everyday. I could replace the fish with chicken but I want to be sure I know how much chicken should go in it. That is why I need the nutritionist. lololololol...I am only laughing because I am past the crying and screaming stage. |
Then again chicken might be high in purines also. Who knows. |
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I know I already said it, but I feel SO much better after getting a nutritionist on board - they have a ton of ideas. And it sounds like you'll have a good one. Now, if they could just move in w/ you for a bit....:rolleyes: |
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About rabbit, I don't know but I will ask find out. The thought of it really grosses me out though. Oh well. I am also really stressed right now because the vet is supposed to call maybe tonight. I have to tell her that I won't be getting Ellie vaccinated annually and, um, I don't know how well that will go over. I shouldn't worry though. She is pretty understanding. Atleast there are other people who want to rip their hair out over dog food too.;) |
Game, including rabbit, is high in purines. I'm not surprised.:rolleyes: |
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Also, 3.5 oz of chicken contains 30g of protein. |
I don't like Hill's either, but if you are considering it...I would not use s/d at all. It contains pork liver which is Very high in purines and definitely not good for a liver compromised dog. I know you must be pulling your hair out right now with frustration, but it will get easier. The nutritionist will help big time. Egg and cottage cheese are good sources of protein for liver compromised dogs. If you call Royal Canin and ask them questions about their prescription diets, you can ask that they put you on the phone with one of their vets. You can ask the vets about the Vit K... |
I have news!!! I talked to the vet. Since it is probably the corn and SD has it too we can homecook and try the egg.:) Yorkieluv, I pmed you. Thanks everyone. |
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I'm so glad you figured out that corn is probably the culprit! Hopefully home cooking will be the answer! |
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