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Homecookers, how much meat? For those who homecook and give only meat with a carb (rice, noodles...) and veggies, how much meat do you give to how much carb and veggie? Ellie gets about 50% meat to 25% carb and 25% veggie. Is this right? |
i'm pretty sure it is supposed to be 1/3 1/3 1/3... i follow a receipe in the Dr. Pitcairn book but i've read other places that should be the ration... too much meat is too much protien for these little ones... |
Oh no, this is getting more confusing everyday. I asked because I read in one place that it should be 60% meat to 20% carb and veggie. Others don't feed veggies or carbs and do mostly meat.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: |
ok here is the receipe i use.. like i said it is from a guy who wrote a book (great book if you are looking for more info on home cooking it is called Dr. Pitcairn's complete guyde to natural health ok i use this 5 cups of oats 6 cups (3 lbs) or meat 1 cup of veggies. but there is another receipe in here that goes like this 1c brown rice 1,c meat 1. c cooked kidney beans you are suppliementing right??? if not PM me.. we need to talk :p :) :) |
and once you get it down.. i PROMISE it is not confusing... i thought it was very overwhelming at first but not it is a piece of cake!! |
I saw this thread and was wondering this myself...I'm not sure of the exact ratio, but the ratio in Dr. Pitcairn's "Doggie Oats" is based on approximately 13 cups of ingredients (minus water), of which 5 cups are grain, 6 cups are meat, and 1 cup is veggies (the other cup is misc. supplements, vitamins, and flavorings). This means the actual RECIPE is about 38% carbs, 46% meat, and about 7.5% veggies...yet AFTER cooking the book says thsi recipe provides a protein level of 33% and 30% fat because of the ingredients used together to get this result. So, I'm not sure exactly what the ratio should be when you are planning meals :confused: I'm just going to follow the recipes and the instructions and things should work out :) Another thing he emphasizes is QUALITY of food, and VARIETY....I think you'll be safe buying the best ingredients you can afford, and change them up a bit each time you cook for your dog. That way, you can be sure they're getting the nutrition they need. |
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Your book must have been closer to you than mine was to me!...maybe you can just type faster! :D Great minds, I tell ya! Only kidding-you're the one who educated ME on this! |
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I've recently started cooking the free range ground beef with the lamb seperately and then I add 1/8 cup of meat to 1/8th cup of the rice, lentils and split pea mixture, twice a day. They also get 1/4 of a boiled egg (whites only) and steel cut oats mixed with steamed broccoli once a day or in their breakfast. |
So, it looks like that first recipe is 50% meat. I guess 46%. I am not sure that there is an actual answer to this because it depends on the protein level after the food is made. Ellie does get cottage cheese quite a bit for some calcium (she does better on it than yogurt). Please don't everyone yell at me at once but she doesn't get any supplement yet. This is because I cannot find any that I am comfortable with. I know most people's answer is to use human vitamins cut to their size but that is a lot of work and a lot of different things to be giving them everyday. I would not mind giving her one daily vitamin (preferrably powder form) and one calcium supplement but I have too many criteria that none of them meet. I think I will call Missing Link today and talk to them. |
can i ask what kind of oats and where can i purchase some... is it regular oatmeal that we eat??? confused |
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ok, ive been giving her regular oatmeal , i though that was it,, ooops i have to look for the steel oats.. you think its in the same section at the grocery stores?? |
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are you using the oatmeal on its own or in a mixture with meat and veggies?? I find the oatmeal very difficult to work with when dealing with a mixture.. it clumps together and is just not easy to mix together... you should try brown rice... it my favorite when making up a large batch of food and Layla loves it! |
You actually don't have to use grains AT ALL if you prefer not to - they're really just a filler, cause allergies, and aren't all that easy for dogs to digest. I've read Pitcairn - and I'm not all that impressed. The fact that he actually recommends grains made me question his expertise immediately. I homecook, but only take bits and pieces from Pitcairn. After a ton of research, I found the MOST informative piece on dog nutrition is Orijen's White Paper - I use their dry food for day grazing (btwn cooked meals). This paper is truly AWESOME.....and, it's not so darn overwhelming bc it's simple to understand. After reading this, I finally, finally felt confident in what I was feeding/cooking/doing bc it made me understand canine nutrition. http://www.championpetfoods.com/orij...hite_paper.pdf |
I've just started doing the Dr. P recipes, and I made one with oatmeal. The trick is to put the oatmeal in the boiling water, and NOT stir it until done cooking. I didn't have any problem with it clumping, and I mixed it with raw ground turkey to make a little "casserole" of oatmeal, turkey, and veggies. My furgirls LOVE this. They also really like brown rice. I haven't tried other grains yet, but plan to once we get through the first few recipes I made and froze for later! |
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and in regards to Dr. Pitcairn, after reading the book and learning of his 25+ years of experience and research, it is hard not to believe he knows what he is talking about.... Layla has been on this diet for about 3 motnhs and has never been healthier |
DO give the oatmeal another run...and I know you're not huge on raw, but try it, maybe just this once with ground turkey!? See how she does- or just make a tiny batch of it and see how she does. I put fresh chopped carrots & a handful of frozen peas in mine. My dogs LOVED it, and I can already tell a difference in them. They were tired for a couple days, just like you said they would be, and I'm sure there may be a few more tired days :) I have already noticed that they get FULL eating the same amount of this type of food. They stop/slow down eating sooner. They also take TIME to eat their food-probably about 5-10 minutes, when Emma used to gobble up her food in less than one minute. They don't BEG like they used to-because they're satisfied after a meal, and it holds them until their next! |
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I don't use Dr. Pitcairn's recipes as yet, but I will if one of my dogs get sick or otherwise compromised with any ailment. He has some recipes to help get them back to health. I do however use his book as a guidline on neutrition and do my own recipes, and his book is an excellent book to refrence how to take care of any problems, health or otherwise that may come up. I'm not big on medication if there is a safe alternative that has no other side affect. As for the steel cut oats, here is a site that may be of interest. http://www.bobsredmill.com |
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