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Mike_and_Me 01-23-2020 12:03 PM
Raw chicken/turkey bones
 
I know this has been discussed before, but who gives raw chicken/turkey necks or other bones to their furkids? Mike's developed tartar on his back teeth. I'm currently giving him PlaqueOff and it seems to softer the tartar as I was able to scrape some of it but I can't get to his back teeth. He doesn't chew anything, he gulps his kibble, rawhide is bad and he doesn't like nylabones with those little bristles. Fruits and veggies I give for treats aren't really "chewing". He loves to chew, but i'm struggling with finding anything appropriate for a year... I'm afraid to give large meaty bones due to risk of breaking teeth. And we have nothing else available here for chewing. So I thought maybe give him frozen chicken or turkey necks once/twice a week to gnaw on it and eat it, and I'm reading they don't pose any issues for digestion. Thank you!

Lovetodream88 01-23-2020 01:33 PM
In my opinion based on what I learned and further research I don't feel raw is really safe. When the dog eats something raw especially chicken which is a big carrier of salmonella (which dogs can indeed get) and then go to their water dish it is dropping the germs into the water and can produce even more germs and contaminate the water. You also have their hair holding onto those germs as well and a wet cloth doesn't just take them off you would have to be using actual soap and water. Then there is their paws they use to hold it. It just kinda seems like a really risky situation. I know that over here there was a big thing about dogs that are fed raw shouldn't be therapy dogs that go to hospitals and nursing homes because of the the germs they are given to those people passed by the dogs pours, poo and saliva. Best thing you can do is brush at least every other day. Generally chews hard enough to clean the teeth pose the risk of broken teeth.

lilgidget 01-23-2020 03:00 PM
Agree with LovestoDream88. Don't see anything positive about raw chicken or chicken bones. UGH

Susan78 01-23-2020 06:32 PM
I definitely agree with Love To Dream. Also they could get a bone splinter in their tummy which could cause serious problems. I meet a lot of people from California and they swear by feeding raw. I think it is dangerous. Susan P.S. I give mine a Nylabone to chew on at night while we watch tv.

mimimomo 01-27-2020 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike_and_Me (Post 4798409)
I know this has been discussed before, but who gives raw chicken/turkey necks or other bones to their furkids? Mike's developed tartar on his back teeth. I'm currently giving him PlaqueOff and it seems to softer the tartar as I was able to scrape some of it but I can't get to his back teeth. He doesn't chew anything, he gulps his kibble, rawhide is bad and he doesn't like nylabones with those little bristles. Fruits and veggies I give for treats aren't really "chewing". He loves to chew, but i'm struggling with finding anything appropriate for a year... I'm afraid to give large meaty bones due to risk of breaking teeth. And we have nothing else available here for chewing. So I thought maybe give him frozen chicken or turkey necks once/twice a week to gnaw on it and eat it, and I'm reading they don't pose any issues for digestion. Thank you!
I feed my Yorkies a raw diet & they occasionally get chicken feet, necks & wings. Whole quail, rabbit, cornish hens, duck any small boned animal. I let them strip the meat off of baby back ribs, their absolute favorite.

mimimomo 01-27-2020 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan78 (Post 4798437)
I definitely agree with Love To Dream. Also they could get a bone splinter in their tummy which could cause serious problems. I meet a lot of people from California and they swear by feeding raw. I think it is dangerous. Susan P.S. I give mine a Nylabone to chew on at night while we watch tv.
Raw bones do not splinter. Raw is their natural diet.

Just FYI, Nylabones are dangerous. It's basically plastic.

Lovetodream88 01-27-2020 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4798664)
Raw bones do not splinter. Raw is their natural diet.

Just FYI, Nylabones are dangerous. It's basically plastic.
Raw isn’t as natural to dogs as people like to think. Yorkies are not wild dogs nor are they wolves. Dogs have evolved over the years to where what was natural isn’t necessarily what their bodies need now. Nylabones make edible chews as well. The non edible bones are not made to be eaten they are made to be chewed on. If your dog is actually pulling big pieces off and eating them then those aren’t the chews for your dog. There are A LOT of risks with raw which can be far more dangerous then a nylabone.

Mike_and_Me 01-27-2020 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4798661)
I feed my Yorkies a raw diet & they occasionally get chicken feet, necks & wings. Whole quail, rabbit, cornish hens, duck any small boned animal. I let them strip the meat off of baby back ribs, their absolute favorite.
Thank you for sharing. I found out today that our local shop that sell natural treats such a dried beef and chicken products started offering dehydrated chicken feet. They are also very kind to cut off the claws :D:D:D Gonna check with my vet end of this week before trying them out. It seems like a good compromise, since giving him raw meat/bones would include washing of the face and paws every time and I would worry about salmonella. I read great reviews on how dehydrated feet and necks help with dental health and include lots of natural chondroitin and glucosamine. They also don't brittle just like raw bones.

Lovetodream88 01-27-2020 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike_and_Me (Post 4798755)
Thank you for sharing. I found out today that our local shop that sell natural treats such a dried beef and chicken products started offering dehydrated chicken feet. They are also very kind to cut off the claws :D:D:D Gonna check with my vet end of this week before trying them out. It seems like a good compromise, since giving him raw meat/bones would include washing of the face and paws every time and I would worry about salmonella. I read great reviews on how dehydrated feet and necks help with dental health and include lots of natural chondroitin and glucosamine. They also don't brittle just like raw bones.
Obviously they don't last long but you can make your own chicken and sweat potato jerky/chews too. In the oven or in a dehydrator. I keep telling myself I'm going to do that but I end up distracted lol.

mimimomo 02-02-2020 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike_and_Me (Post 4798755)
Thank you for sharing. I found out today that our local shop that sell natural treats such a dried beef and chicken products started offering dehydrated chicken feet. They are also very kind to cut off the claws :D:D:D Gonna check with my vet end of this week before trying them out. It seems like a good compromise, since giving him raw meat/bones would include washing of the face and paws every time and I would worry about salmonella. I read great reviews on how dehydrated feet and necks help with dental health and include lots of natural chondroitin and glucosamine. They also don't brittle just like raw bones.
Just use the same cleaning practices like you would be cooking BBQ for your own family. We handle raw meat all the time. I do wash their face & paws after they get raw meaty bones.

Just FYI, stick to raw meaty bones & give only dehydrated meats or trachea since it has no bones. Any type of cooked bones can be dangerous & poses a health threat. The cooking process draws out the moisture from the bones & makes it brittle & even possibly sharp. It changes the molecular structure of the bone, making it harder to digest.

Dogs can handle the salmonella & their digestive tract is made just for that, it kills the bacteria in the acid bath that is also able to dissolve raw bones.

I have a bunch of links for you about raw feeding, just let me know if you're interested.

Lovetodream88 02-02-2020 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4799004)
Of course raw is their natural diet, canines are carnivores! Us humans are the ONLY species on this entire planet that cooks our food. There are an estimated 18 million species on planet earth.

Zoo animals eat their own species biologically appropriate diet that's specially formulated for them. If dogs were in zoos, they would be eating a raw diet. In fact, their close relative, the wolves in captivity & in the wild eat raw.

Please do not quote me, as I won't be replying to your ignorant remarks about raw diets that you know nothing about. Please do your own research or don't waste my time w/ your nonsense. If you want to continue learning, I will be happy to assist.
I would like to remind you I took vet assistant classes and we did a lot on nutrition. Dogs aren’t wolves and they aren’t wild. Dogs systems have evolved to eat dog food and what we feed them. But dogs aren’t in zoos nor are they wild animals. Just because your opinion is different then mine does not make it wrong, nonsense or ignorant. Maybe you want to check out some science based stuff on raw if not here it is for others Raw | Search Results |. Also just because my opinion differs doesn’t mean you need to attack me. My education as well as my research says it’s not safe. I understand that food is a hot button topic but calling people’s opinions ignorant is a bit off base.

Lovetodream88 02-02-2020 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4799005)
Just use the same cleaning practices like you would be cooking BBQ for your own family. We handle raw meat all the time. I do wash their face & paws after they get raw meaty bones.

Just FYI, stick to raw meaty bones & give only dehydrated meats or trachea since it has no bones. Any type of cooked bones can be dangerous & poses a health threat. The cooking process draws out the moisture from the bones & makes it brittle & even possibly sharp. It changes the molecular structure of the bone, making it harder to digest.

Dogs can handle the salmonella & their digestive tract is made just for that, it kills the bacteria in the acid bath that is also able to dissolve raw bones.

I have a bunch of links for you about raw feeding, just let me know if you're interested.
That is absolutely not true about salmonella and is very dangerous to misinform like that! Many many dogs get sick from salmonella. Many dogs even die from salmonella or end up hospitalized!

Lovetodream88 02-02-2020 05:24 PM
Here is the main article about “species appropriate” I was looking to share Dogs are Still not Wolves: Human Feeding Practices Have Shaped the Dog Genome |

mimimomo 02-02-2020 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4799006)
I would like to remind you I took vet assistant classes and we did a lot on nutrition. Dogs aren’t wolves and they aren’t wild. Dogs systems have evolved to eat dog food and what we feed them. But dogs aren’t in zoos nor are they wild animals. Just because your opinion is different then mine does not make it wrong, nonsense or ignorant. Maybe you want to check out some science based stuff on raw if not here it is for others Raw | Search Results |. Also just because my opinion differs doesn’t mean you need to attack me. My education as well as my research says it’s not safe. I understand that food is a hot button topic but calling people’s opinions ignorant is a bit off base.
You do this in EVERY raw thread & post...ignorant just means lacking knowledge. Just bc you took vet assistant classes doesn't mean you're right on this topic. I was not attacking you, just pointing out what you do.

Why do you think dogs these are having all these health issues? Cancer is @ an epidemic & obesity is out of control. They are eating man made junk, causing man made diseases! All kinds of gut issues like pancreatis, IBD, IBS, PLE, PLN, just to name a few but is rampant. Joint issues, skin problems, rotting teeth...all causes by a unnatural diet of kibble!

Raw fed dogs have a healthy gut flora, shiny hair, no skin issues, white teeth, overall thriving. None of the kibble fed counterpart diseases. Years of domestication did not change their digestive system. They have & are still evolved to eat raw meat & bones, just look @ their teeth!

Did you know that kibble aka processed food has only been around for 159 yrs? According to palaeontologists, it takes 100,000 yrs for a species to partially adapt to a new diet. So a domesticated dog is technically still a wolf in terms of digestion. https://honeysrealdogfood.com/canine...TOuMQYogosMbc8

Very good read! https://therawfeedingcommunity.com/2...cqO-39xgUPUx-I

Lovetodream88 02-02-2020 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4799010)
You do this in EVERY raw thread & post...ignorant just means lacking knowledge. Just bc you took vet assistant classes doesn't mean you're right on this topic. I was not attacking you, just pointing out what you do.

Why do you think dogs these are having all these health issues? Cancer is @ an epidemic & obesity is out of control. They are eating man made junk, causing man made diseases! All kinds of gut issues like pancreatis, IBD, IBS, PLE, PLN, just to name a few but is rampant. Joint issues, skin problems, rotting teeth...all causes by a unnatural diet of kibble!

Raw fed dogs have a healthy gut flora, shiny hair, no skin issues, white teeth, overall thriving. None of the kibble fed counterpart diseases. Years of domestication did not change their digestive system. They have & are still evolved to eat raw meat & bones, just look @ their teeth!

Did you know that kibble aka processed food has only been around for 159 yrs? According to palaeontologists, it takes 100,000 yrs for a species to partially adapt to a new diet. So a domesticated dog is technically still a wolf in terms of digestion. https://honeysrealdogfood.com/canine...TOuMQYogosMbc8

Very good read! https://therawfeedingcommunity.com/2...cqO-39xgUPUx-I
But see your calling me ignorant because I disagree with you. I have knowledge on this topic it just backs an opinion you don’t like. When someone has a difference of opinion then you it does not make them ignorant. Of course I’m going to jump on raw threads and share MY opinion and what I know. I’m not going to let people be misinformed and told dogs can’t get salmonella. You jump on and attack people every time they disagree with you on raw. What you are saying are just theories though and have not been scientifically proven. You also have to be careful whose studies you use as proof because most are done by raw food companies that have something to gain by you supporting raw. I have also seen dogs do absolutely terrible on raw diets. Dogs are not wolves! You absolutely can not prove most of what you are saying. I can prove dogs are not wolves and I can prove dogs can get salmonella. http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2016/05/dog...he-dog-genome/


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