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Buster Brown 04-06-2015 03:18 PM
Actually my Vet recommends and uses this test and as soon as Buster has recovered from his dental I will be going forward with this test as well. We did do the blood test a year ago and have determined some of the environmental and food sensitivities Buster has been dealing with for the last year. I figure between the two tests I will be able to determine a diet plan for him and start home cooked meals and supplements. Funny when Buster was at his dental the facility also housed a Vet Dermatologist. I sat with these owners whose dogs had horrible skin issues as they waited for their expensive prescription pills and picked up their huge bags of grain based food sold by these very specialists. These dogs were long time customers of this specialist and their owners stated that their issues had not gotten better they were just trying to get their dogs to be more comfortable. I would rather spend the money on testing that drugs if I think it might help alleviate Buster's itching.

Buster Brown 04-06-2015 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4546930)
It is because, in spite of people's beliefs, food allergies are not that common.

I don't think you have to keep going to the vet during the food elimination unless you just want the vet's feedback.
Correct food allergies are not common but food intolerance is common.

ladyjane 04-06-2015 07:04 PM
never mind

107barney 04-07-2015 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 4547111)
Actually my Vet recommends and uses this test and as soon as Buster has recovered from his dental I will be going forward with this test as well. We did do the blood test a year ago and have determined some of the environmental and food sensitivities Buster has been dealing with for the last year. I figure between the two tests I will be able to determine a diet plan for him and start home cooked meals and supplements. Funny when Buster was at his dental the facility also housed a Vet Dermatologist. I sat with these owners whose dogs had horrible skin issues as they waited for their expensive prescription pills and picked up their huge bags of grain based food sold by these very specialists. These dogs were long time customers of this specialist and their owners stated that their issues had not gotten better they were just trying to get their dogs to be more comfortable. I would rather spend the money on testing that drugs if I think it might help alleviate Buster's itching.
Food allergy blood tests are also proven to be useless.

107barney 04-07-2015 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 4547114)
Correct food allergies are not common but food intolerance is common.
And food elimination diets are the way to determine the problem AND fix it. thousands before you have successfully done it.

pstinard 04-07-2015 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4547067)
I'm sorry but when it comes to this test with no science to back it and it being so expensive it would appear to be a money thing preying on people whose dogs have allergy's. I have read several things about her that I have not been thrilled with. There are several things she does that doesn't have the science to back it up and in my opinion that is a very extremely important thing for me.
One other thing that bothers me about the Nutriscan test is that Dr. Dodds makes vague statements about "studies" without citing references:

"Today, new studies have revealed that delayed food sensitivity is more accurately identified by measuring food associated IgA or IgM antibodies." (from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1..._to_Gluten.pdf)

"Recent studies have proven salivary diagnostics to be a highly accurate form of canine food intolerance testing."
(from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1...iagnostics.pdf)

And then there is this admission:

"Saliva hormone or food antigen testing is a new technology. It's been used only in the last decade and, therefore, is not yet widely accepted by the medical community."
(from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1...ce_Testing.pdf)

I can't tell whether she is trying to scam people, or whether she thinks she's onto something new and wants to get it into production before it's been scientifically accepted, but either way, it makes me uneasy.

pstinard 04-07-2015 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 4547114)
Correct food allergies are not common but food intolerance is common.
That's what Dr. Dodds claims--it's the basis of her theories on saliva testing and nutrigenomics. I'm just waiting for the peer reviewed paper, which should have come first, before selling the tests and possibly giving people false hope. Right now, it's all theories and no proof. It makes me very uneasy.

Somewhere, buried in one of Dr. Dodd's articles (which doesn't have any references to peer reviewed papers), Dr. Dodds says this:

"Saliva testing also is not readily available in many laboratories. Furthermore, there's room for human error when gathering the saliva sample, as food or blood can easily contaminate the specimen. The good news is saliva collection is noninvasive, painless, relatively inexpensive and convenient for the patient."

I take this as an admission that her test may not work, but at least it's harmless, and the only thing you are losing is money. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

megansmomma 04-07-2015 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4547295)
That's what Dr. Dodds claims--it's the basis of her theories on saliva testing and nutrigenomics. I'm just waiting for the peer reviewed paper, which should have come first, before selling the tests and possibly giving people false hope. Right now, it's all theories and no proof. It makes me very uneasy.

Somewhere, buried in one of Dr. Dodd's articles (which doesn't have any references to peer reviewed papers), Dr. Dodds says this:

"Saliva testing also is not readily available in many laboratories. Furthermore, there's room for human error when gathering the saliva sample, as food or blood can easily contaminate the specimen. The good news is saliva collection is noninvasive, painless, relatively inexpensive and convenient for the patient."

I take this as an admission that her test may not work, but at least it's harmless, and the only thing you are losing is money. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Dr. Dodd is thick as thieves with Dr. Becker and Dr. Mercola. As we know Dr. Mercola has been under the FDAs microscope in the past because of his dangerous and false claims regarding his claims for his various tests. For example:

FDA warns doctor: Stop touting camera as disease screening tool



FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims

ladyjane 04-07-2015 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4547292)
One other thing that bothers me about the Nutriscan test is that Dr. Dodds makes vague statements about "studies" without citing references:

"Today, new studies have revealed that delayed food sensitivity is more accurately identified by measuring food associated IgA or IgM antibodies." (from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1..._to_Gluten.pdf)

"Recent studies have proven salivary diagnostics to be a highly accurate form of canine food intolerance testing."
(from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1...iagnostics.pdf)

And then there is this admission:

"Saliva hormone or food antigen testing is a new technology. It's been used only in the last decade and, therefore, is not yet widely accepted by the medical community."
(from https://my.imatrixbase.com/clients/1...ce_Testing.pdf)

I can't tell whether she is trying to scam people, or whether she thinks she's onto something new and wants to get it into production before it's been scientifically accepted, but either way, it makes me uneasy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4547295)
That's what Dr. Dodds claims--it's the basis of her theories on saliva testing and nutrigenomics. I'm just waiting for the peer reviewed paper, which should have come first, before selling the tests and possibly giving people false hope. Right now, it's all theories and no proof. It makes me very uneasy.

Somewhere, buried in one of Dr. Dodd's articles (which doesn't have any references to peer reviewed papers), Dr. Dodds says this:

"Saliva testing also is not readily available in many laboratories. Furthermore, there's room for human error when gathering the saliva sample, as food or blood can easily contaminate the specimen. The good news is saliva collection is noninvasive, painless, relatively inexpensive and convenient for the patient."

I take this as an admission that her test may not work, but at least it's harmless, and the only thing you are losing is money. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Thank you for all of this information, Phil!

Buster Brown 04-07-2015 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4547249)
Food allergy blood tests are also proven to be useless.
Actually not useless to me as they showed he had positive results on Salmon, Rabbit, and peas. I had been giving Buster a daily dose of Salmon oil for his skin and in most of the kibble he had been eating had a form of peas in them. Since I have discontinued these items his scratching has decreased markedly. I want to find out his triggers and try to eliminate them from his diet. I also learned he is allergic to honey bees from the blood panel so now I make sure to have benadryl on hand. I would rather use a non invasive testing method to determine food intolerances than placing him on long term medication. I am as entitled to my opinion and my observances as anyone.

107barney 04-07-2015 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4547295)
That's what Dr. Dodds claims--it's the basis of her theories on saliva testing and nutrigenomics. I'm just waiting for the peer reviewed paper, which should have come first, before selling the tests and possibly giving people false hope. Right now, it's all theories and no proof. It makes me very uneasy.

Somewhere, buried in one of Dr. Dodd's articles (which doesn't have any references to peer reviewed papers), Dr. Dodds says this:

"Saliva testing also is not readily available in many laboratories. Furthermore, there's room for human error when gathering the saliva sample, as food or blood can easily contaminate the specimen. The good news is saliva collection is noninvasive, painless, relatively inexpensive and convenient for the patient."

I take this as an admission that her test may not work, but at least it's harmless, and the only thing you are losing is money. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
And losing $280 that could be better spent gettting real help for a dog with allergies is why I am troubled. Most dogs who scratch have environmental allergies and there are very good meds to help. I find it very disturbing when owners opt to spend money on pseudoscience type of avenues and the dog suffers.

gemy 04-07-2015 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4547104)
Respect has nothing to do with whether a test is valid or not. Who cares if someone likes her or respects her, that's not the issue!

Quite right Cathy - I stand corrected - or more accurately sit corrected. The test can not be thought to be valid or not at this point - merely unproven scientifically.

gemy 04-07-2015 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4547047)
I agree that Dr. Dodds has done wonderful things, and I do have respect for her. I think that she should have handled Nutriscan in the following order:

(1) Patent, with a good review of the literature that supports her claims.

(2) Peer reviewed article proving that the test works.

(3) THEN release the Nutriscan test to the public.

That said, I HOPE her test really works--it would be great if it did. I'm just a little uneasy that she hasn't had a peer reviewed article yet.

That sounds reasonable. But mayhap there is no literature to support her claims.


Or she could release the test with a warning that this test has not be rigorously tested for efficacy and accuracy - but prelim clinical work not peer reviewed has shown exciting promise/////

Buster Brown 04-07-2015 12:03 PM
I understand your points and will agree that it is not yet scientifically proven but that does not mean that the tests can not be used as a diagnostic tool. I went to a dermatologist in my youth and was prescribed cortisone medication as a treatment. I developed as a side effect a softening of my bone density determined by my Orthopedic surgeon at the time who also consulted with the dermatologist was a result of the cortisone treatment. Since Buster all ready has issues with his bones I prefer to not automatically go the route of medication. I am not against Vet Dermatologists and know that they can help dogs suffering from allergies but why must we always turn to drugs rather than modifying our diets first?

Lovetodream88 04-07-2015 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 4547432)
I understand your points and will agree that it is not yet scientifically proven but that does not mean that the tests can not be used as a diagnostic tool. I went to a dermatologist in my youth and was prescribed cortisone medication as a treatment. I developed as a side effect a softening of my bone density determined by my Orthopedic surgeon at the time who also consulted with the dermatologist was a result of the cortisone treatment. Since Buster all ready has issues with his bones I prefer to not automatically go the route of medication. I am not against Vet Dermatologists and know that they can help dogs suffering from allergies but why must we always turn to drugs rather than modifying our diets first?
You could get wonky results that say he is not allergic to something he is and so on. I would never go away with my dog that has no science to back it up because it could cause more harm then good.


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