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107barney 02-28-2015 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4533928)
Mine don't get sick from different homemade food. But they are use to it. From kibble either. just many ppl post theres do. You use supplements?? I've read you can over do the supplements I've read they maynot get enough..Dunno I mix a little kibble and use it for training.I prefer making it because I know whats there and food quality has to be better the all the processed dog food.
Yes I use supplements. I use the all-in-one supplement Balance It and another all-in-one for recipes that have been made for my dogs. So because the diets have been made for my dogs, they are perfectly balanced and there's nothing overdone.

megansmomma 02-28-2015 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4533891)
I just came across these Dr. Karen Becker videos about pet food on Facebook. I'm not going to advocate pro or con, I'm just throwing these out for discussion. What do people think?
It's amazing how a calm voice is capable of capturing an audience. I started to fact check some of the things she is talked about in the second video but don't have time right to post my questions. I'll come back later and maybe you could help me. :)

pstinard 02-28-2015 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4533942)
It's amazing how a calm voice is capable of capturing an audience. I started to fact check some of the things she is talked about in the second video but don't have time right to post my questions. I'll come back later and maybe you could help me. :)
I'm up for it! I'll check back later...

megansmomma 02-28-2015 03:48 PM
In the second video she is talking about how ingredients are listed on the bags of dog food. Then goes on to say Meat Meal can be ROAD KILL and makes it sounds as thought they are tossing entire carcasses into a grinder. At 13:23 she included says that meat meal could be recycled cats and dogs from kill shelters. Then goes on to say snouts, bird feathers, hooves.

For our 8th Grade trip our school going to the Kellogg cereal factory and taking the tour of the plant. From what I have read, dog food is make similar by extrusion. It's ground together with the other ingredients and then made into whatever food they are making i.e. dog food, cereal, pasta etc. Do you know anything about this process?

From what I was able to read it seems that MEAL is a better choice because it is more dense than meat. She then talks about how ingredients are listed on the dog food bags by weight. I would think that there is a recipe used so that the end result of the extrusion process would result in the protein % of the kibble. The way she is explaining the process is confusing or even vague.

I did find this explanation Chicken and Chicken Meal: What are the differences? Blue Seal

ironmike86 02-28-2015 04:31 PM
Meal is good. She was just saying it needs to be specific. Many ppl also say that. Meat meal can be anything.Mixed meats anything. But Chicken meal, beef meal, fish meal ect...You don't want food that say bi product either . No bad ingredients in the first 6. You don't want food with the first ingredients wheat germ,corn ect.. Needs to be high quality like Chicken, Salmon meal ect...

pstinard 02-28-2015 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4534135)
In the second video she is talking about how ingredients are listed on the bags of dog food. Then goes on to say Meat Meal can be ROAD KILL and makes it sounds as thought they are tossing entire carcasses into a grinder. At 13:23 she included says that meat meal could be recycled cats and dogs from kill shelters. Then goes on to say snouts, bird feathers, hooves.

For our 8th Grade trip our school going to the Kellogg cereal factory and taking the tour of the plant. From what I have read, dog food is make similar by extrusion. It's ground together with the other ingredients and then made into whatever food they are making i.e. dog food, cereal, pasta etc. Do you know anything about this process?

From what I was able to read it seems that MEAL is a better choice because it is more dense than meat. She then talks about how ingredients are listed on the dog food bags by weight. I would think that there is a recipe used so that the end result of the extrusion process would result in the protein % of the kibble. The way she is explaining the process is confusing or even vague.

I did find this explanation Chicken and Chicken Meal: What are the differences? Blue Seal
The link you gave has a good explanation of chicken meal and how kibble is manufactured. Unspecified meat meal *could* be any animal, including roadkill or euthanized cats and dogs. (It reminds me a little of the movie Soylent Green.) If Dr. Becker mentioned hair, feathers, and hooves being a part of meat meal, she may have misspoken. Otherwise, most of what she said in her second video was spot on.

pstinard 02-28-2015 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4534147)
Meal is good. She was just saying it needs to be specific. Many ppl also say that. Meat meal can be anything.Mixed meats anything. But Chicken meal, beef meal, fish meal ect...You don't want food that say bi product either . No bad ingredients in the first 6. You don't want food with the first ingredients wheat germ,corn ect.. Needs to be high quality like Chicken, Salmon meal ect...
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

ironmike86 02-28-2015 08:10 PM
Soylent Green...showing your age :)... Young like me

LadyGemma 02-28-2015 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4533885)
I dunno if dogs need to evolve to eat kibble? But eating bad kibble is like a person eating fast food everyday to me. Homemade is always going to be better imo. Depending on what you make of course. But its easy to cross reference whats bad and whats good for your dog. Fresh everything is going to be better for dog and human. "Fresh" meaning less processing not meaning raw. Dogs can get samonila just not as easy as human. Alot ppl swear by it but I've seen alot of recalls lately. I would rather cook for my dogs. I've never seen that book. Is there alot of good recipes in there??
This is so true. Humans nor animals are meant to eat highly processed, frankenfoods, but many do because of convience and lack of education. However processed food for humans and pets is so recent in our history and the results are not good. Eating heavily processed food or food contaminated w/ hormones, chemicals, and antibiotics, has led to a fat, sick population heavily dependent on prescriptions. I recall a pet nutritionist telling me that eating a lesser quality kibble everyday was the equivalent of a human eating dry cereal all day, everyday. It's sad that people and pets have eliminated fresh veggies, fruits and lean meat for "food" our ancestors (human and wolf, lol) wouldn't even recognize as food! I know the pull of processed sugary, salty food all too well, but if I wouldn't feed it to my dog, I shouldn't feed it to myself.

LadyGemma 02-28-2015 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4533711)
I personally think home cooking is probably the best.
I agree completely. I'm holding off on home cooking until I do further research, but it's frustrating right now, because it seems like raw has risks, I believe kibble isn't a good choice, and a lot of canned food seems as processed as the kibble I'm not a fan of. I heard good things about Weruva canned but she didn't love it and I found some caveats w/ ingredients. However, I discovered a soft food brand called Party Animal which has EXCELLENT ingredients, but I need to learn more about quality control, she may not like it, it may give her tummy troubles, etc. I also wonder why I see kibble and raw talked about more than canned here. Good canned seems to be closer to home cooking than kibble and less risky than raw. I do feed raw but am not thrilled with potential dangers.

ironmike86 03-01-2015 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyGemma (Post 4534219)
I agree completely. I'm holding off on home cooking until I do further research, but it's frustrating right now, because it seems like raw has risks, I believe kibble isn't a good choice, and a lot of canned food seems as processed as the kibble I'm not a fan of. I heard good things about Weruva canned but she didn't love it and I found some caveats w/ ingredients. However, I discovered a soft food brand called Party Animal which has EXCELLENT ingredients, but I need to learn more about quality control, she may not like it, it may give her tummy troubles, etc. I also wonder why I see kibble and raw talked about more than canned here. Good canned seems to be closer to home cooking than kibble and less risky than raw. I do feed raw but am not thrilled with potential dangers.
Look at the link provided earlier at the homemade. https://secure.balanceit.com/ you can customize for there weights once you sign up. But my dogs enjoy fresh foods vegs.. for rewards.

pstinard 03-01-2015 05:17 PM
For the young'uns wondering what Soylent Green is...
 
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4534182)
Soylent Green...showing your age :)... Young like me
Warning!!! Do NOT watch this video unless you want to know what Soylent Green is made of.

megansmomma 03-01-2015 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4534157)
The link you gave has a good explanation of chicken meal and how kibble is manufactured. Unspecified meat meal *could* be any animal, including roadkill or euthanized cats and dogs. (It reminds me a little of the movie Soylent Green.) If Dr. Becker mentioned hair, feathers, and hooves being a part of meat meal, she may have misspoken. Otherwise, most of what she said in her second video was spot on.
Yes, she did mention all that I posted. Not going to watch the Soylent Green video. Some things cannot be unseen.

ironmike86 03-01-2015 05:22 PM
At least you know what Soylent Green is made of. No named meat, and meal . By products from animals is a guess. Probably why I don't go to the Resturant next to the Vets Office

mimimomo 03-02-2015 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 4533632)
I wasa thinking of having this test done. I think it requires saliva, did you have a hard time getting enough saliva?
I didn't have problems but thought I didn't get enough saliva on the rope...but Dr Dodds assured me that it was enough.
There's instructions on the nutriscan site on how to collect the saliva, you can use treats to stimulate their saliva production.
Here's Turbo's link for more info on the NutriScan test, it has his results on post # 10.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-test-kit.html

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Originally Posted by LadyGemma (Post 4534219)
I agree completely. I'm holding off on home cooking until I do further research, but it's frustrating right now, because it seems like raw has risks, I believe kibble isn't a good choice, and a lot of canned food seems as processed as the kibble I'm not a fan of. I heard good things about Weruva canned but she didn't love it and I found some caveats w/ ingredients. However, I discovered a soft food brand called Party Animal which has EXCELLENT ingredients, but I need to learn more about quality control, she may not like it, it may give her tummy troubles, etc. I also wonder why I see kibble and raw talked about more than canned here. Good canned seems to be closer to home cooking than kibble and less risky than raw. I do feed raw but am not thrilled with potential dangers.
I used to feed them Party Animal (grain free line) & used to buy them by the case! They LOVED it & did excellent on it. I really like the company & will not hesitate to feed it again, if they ever had to go off raw food.

The canned food is all ground up tho, so you can't really tell what's really in it. If you have a Whole Foods near you, it sometimes goes on sale.


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