Yup, I agree....that's why I purposely said "usually". Like w/ people, I think there are some dogs (and people) who eat normally but just *still* gain/keep weight on no matter what they try. In people there is a theory that this may be related to leptin disregulation...I wonder if it'd be the same in dogs, who knows. But yeah, I totally agree that sometimes there is a metabolism problem of some kind.

I think when you wrote the message before this one, it may have come off as you no longer believed in feeding commercial food, period...that may have been why Nancy was asking what happened. I too would fall off my chair if I heard you say that definitively bc then I would have to wonder how on earth you were going to cook for your whole crew :eek:! If you had to, you would - but you'd need a kitchen assistant, lol!

In my next life, I will have a personal vet, trainer, pet nanny and cook for humans and pets! :D

Yes, that's how I took it, I knew she had more than three, but I thought she was saying only three had weight problems, but she would never feed any commercial foods to her dogs again and I thought maybe something happened when I was away, it's such a strong statement. Personally, I think home cooking is a great choice if you do it right and can buy safe supplements.

I have two with weight issues...the other I cook for has lymphangectasia.

Home cooking is a great choice.

Just heard that Nature's Logic changed their formulas without prior notice to their customers. I wanted to pass this along since I know that a few people were upset when another company made changes without letting people know. Seems this is something that is normal. Yikes, I'll stick w/ my home cooking.

Oh no, do you have a link with more information?

Thanks for the update, what did they change?

I personally would be calling the company for an explanation! It may be just an excuse to cover their rear ends, but at least it would give a starting place for concerned consumers! Wondering if any attempt was made by the company to indicate the change on their packaging or did they just try to sneak it past their customers? Any aditional information where the details can be found would be appreciated by many that use their food, I am sure.

I read that a person who uses the food and noticed the new packaging. That person then read the bag and saw some changes to ingredients, contacted he company, and they gave more of an explanation as to the changes.

They changed porcine plasma to lamb plasma and did something with a mushroom. I think they changed from beef to pork in some items. I forgot the other items.

I don't know if it is a significant issue with the food to their customers but prior anger expressed here was that companies should disclose ingredient changes to customers and that it's almost unethical not to notify on the packaging. i never really saw that much into this initially but now I'm concerned that companies are doing this. A change from pig to lamb plasma might create an allergy issue or sensitivity, etc. how hard is it for these companies to be transparent?!

I hope this is something that isn't a big deal, but it does raise the bait and switch issue again, which may be unacceptable.

I would email them and ask. Maybe they did more than this person said, but it didn't sound like it.

If you go to Chewy.com and search for Nature's Logic, you can find all of the food lines. Just pick the one you're interested in and you can click on the "Ingredients" tab to see what's in it. I do see lamb plasma, so hopefully the info on the Chewy site reflects the recent ingredient changes.

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Yeah, I hadn't noticed any ingredient change of the food I buy, but I emailed the company and will post their response.

I see they changed the chicken formula to have the lamb plasma.

The bag is completely different so that would give consumers some type of awareness that the ingredients had changed.

Old Ingredients.

Chicken Meal, Millet, Chicken Fat, Pumpkin Seed, Yeast Culture, Spray Dried Chicken Liver, Dried Egg Product, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Dried Kelp, Cheese Powder, Spray Dried Porcine Plasma, Dried Tomato, Almonds, Dried Chicory Root, Dried Carrot, Dried Apple, White Fish Meal, Egg Shell Meal, Dried Pumpkin, Dried Apricot, Dried Blueberry, Dried Spinach, Dried Broccoli, Dried Cranberry, Parsley, Dried Artichoke, Rosemary, Mixed Tocopherols, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium Bifidium Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus Coagulans Fermentation Product, Dried Pineapple Extract, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Extract, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Trichoderma Longibrachtium Fermentation Extract

New ingredients.
Chicken Meal, Millet, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Pumpkin Seed, Yeast Culture, Spray Dried Chicken Liver, Dried Egg Product, Alfalfa Nutrient Concentrate, Montmorillonite Clay, Dried Kelp, Spray Dried Lamb Plasma, Dried Tomato, Almonds, Dried Chicory Root, Dried Carrot, Dried Apple, Menhaden Fish Meal, Dried Pumpkin, Dried Apricot, Dried Blueberry, Dried Spinach, Dried Broccoli, Dried Cranberry, Parsley, Dried Artichoke, Rosemary, Dried Mushroom, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium bifidium Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus coagulans Fermentation Product, Dried Pineapple Extract, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Extract, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum Fermentation Extract


Here is the reply I received.

The only change in the chicken as to remove cheese (dairy product) requested
by many consumers. We replaced it with dried mushroom which supplies a lot
of natural Vitamins D2.

Also, due to consumer requests, we change from using porcine plasma to ovine plasma. Lastly, we removed Alfalfa Meal and replaced it with Organic Alfalfa Nutrient Concentrate from Switzerland. The reason for this change was because almost all alfalfa from the USA is GMO.

All of these changes were improvements.

I have no problem with these changes. There are still no synthetic vitamins and that's really important to me.

I still think companies should tell people of the changes. You have no problem with the changes, but others might. As you pointed out in the past, it seems untrustworthy and almost unethical not to. The packaging may be new, but does it say that the formula is new? If not, seems sketchy.

Yes, I agree with you, I think they should have to put something on the bag about an ingredient change each time there are changes made.

I asked if I missed it on the bag, and they didn't answer that I had. I also asked where they manufacture their food and got no reply. They don't think these are ingredient changes, just "tweaks for the better" and that customers wanted the change from pork blood plasma to lamb plasma. I am not sure I think customers would know the difference between pork and lamb plasma but have no reason to disbelieve him. I will disagree that a change like beef liver to pork liver isn't an ingredient change, and I read that they did that in the beef formula.

Perhaps you can get them to be forthright and transparent enough to come to the forum and answer some questions or address concerns some people may have with these changes. Of course, they were "tweeks" that were "improvments", according to the company spokesperson.....I agree that I doubt seriously there was an uprising in the consumers for them to change from pork blood plasma to lamb plasma, and I certainly consider a change from beef liver to pork liver as an "ingredient change", and one that could certainly have an adverse affect on some pups.

Everyone must be diligent and if reading ingredient lists is really important to you, then do not ever assume any food you may swear by, is not doing "tweeking" and "adjusting formulas" for the better......this is really important especially if your pup has GI issues or food intolerances, allergies, etc.....these "tweeks" may be normal for dog food companies, but changes in ingredients and formulations, while not blaringly, boldly emblazoned on packaging that changes have been made (perhaps they SHOULD have been!), hopefully the ingredients lists will reflect the changes and it is up to the consumers to read and review and re-assess the ingredient list with EACH bag you buy, to see if the "tweeks" being made are acceptable to them and their pet! If you have selected a pet food formula/company that you trust and entrust that they perhaps know more about formulas and substitutions than perhaps you do, then there is no harm done!

I wish the nutritionist for the company would come and respond to questions about changes they have made, why the changes were made, where they source their individual ingredients, etc......

Are you saying that they told you that they changed from pork to lamb plasma was because customers wanted it? They didn't tell me that, that was said about the cheese change.

Yep! He said:
"Also, due to consumer requests, we change from using porcine plasma to ovine
plasma"

He mentioned cheese to me too. And how it was only 1% in their food ...customers still wanted it removed. 1% seems very tiny an amount for customers to worry about, but I again have no reason to disbelieve what he's saying.

Only 1% in their formula.....and CUSTOMERS wanted it removed???? I guess it was not that important in the first place.....what about the customers that wanted the cheese in their diet formula? Did they substitute something else to provide whatever benefit that spot of cheese was adding to the diet, and if so what did they use and where did it come from? Was that man you talked with helpful and enthusiastic about answering your inquiries?

First off, God, what stunning little guys you have! Second, I have a documented picky eater but I would love to have her try this as from what you have said about it, I think Bella might like it.