Are you feeding the breed specific Jo Ann? Try the Adult Mini....the chicken is still listed as the first ingredient....a dog food is only as good as heralded, if the dog will eat it! If she has gone off her food, or if she is having issues she has not had in the past, you need to consider a change. I read what Nancy had posted about Wellness ingredients, and how close they seemed to be to RC....I do not read labels......so I was taking notes.....I will consider that one if my dogs start to deteriorate or decondition or dont eat their meals with the same gusto....I also like that Healthy Choice Little Bites.....and Fromm has my attention....seems you could add some of that shredded chicken from fromm ontop of the RC if you are fixated on the chicken aspect! I had thought of that too, if mine think they are being abused because they are missing chicken as the first listed ingredient..... OMG, I do not want to get into this "Dog Food Frey", holding my breath and walking through a minefield with all the recalls..... Years ago, my momma used to boil chicken, chop up about a 1/2 cup of boiled chicken, add 1/4 cup cooked rice, 1/4 cup green beans, and 1/4 cup tiny diced carrots.....she fed her little Chihuahua that meal daily, until he died at 10 years old. Seemed to work great for Shawn.....if I had one, two, maybe even 3 dogs, I think I would go that route, rather than worrying about recalls, or hidden ingredients/mislabeled bags on dog food...it seems easier to feed my dog like I feed my family and forget the dog food!

like i said, i bought Wellness because the ingredient list was so similiar to RC, but my dogs hated it. it was drier and harder and they hated it. it wasnt even up for discussion. But maybe you should show the RC rep the link to this thread, and a couple others. Then maybe it'll make them snap that they aren't really cutting costs if so many people are now turning away from their brand. Think of how much $$ they've lost just on this small handful of people alone... it adds up. Maybe if they think of that, they will go back to the way they were when everyone was happy with them...seems silly of them not to.

Yes, Judy, it was the yorkie 28, now it the new Yorkie. She is not having issues. Just walks away from her food. It will sit there all day. I will do the rice and chicken for her. Even tried mixing it in, but she will pick it out. She is no dummy .
I know what you mean about the dog food frey. I might just start fixing everything myself. Will let you know how things work out. Otherwise she is great and rules the house....��

Hate to hear that about the Wellness....but I just KNOW this is not going to be a simple, easy,uncomplicated adventure....which is why I am not even going there until it is evident that I need to! And you can rest assured I am keeping loud and persistant in their ears! How exciting would it be to think it may actually achieve a positive outcome!

The food has always been over-priced. Now it certainly is for what it is. You literally might as well just pick up a bag of Purina or Iams from the grocery store. Actually, a lot of the Iams and Purina formulas are WAY better imo.

Iams® ProActive Health? Adult Chunks

https://www.beyondpetfood.com/produc...-whole-barley/

^You can get a 4lb bag in the grocery store for like... $8 or something like it? Pretty sure I paid close to $18 for a 3.5lb bag of YT RC food. If they are charging equal or more for this formula, they are completely ripping people off at this point.

I know what happened to my cousins Yorkie when he went on Purina because it was "cheap" and she could afford it.... I have priced a lot of dog food at PetCo and on Chewy.....RC did not seem to be the "crazy overpriced uncle in the attic".....there were more than several brands that were much more expensive and CLAIMED to have all the very best in "natural this" and "organic that"....of course, the recalls they have endured over the last 15 years were not advertised anyplace. Then there is always the issue of "Oh we just forgot to put that on the label", or "we got bags that were mislabeled from the factory that does our bagging", or "we accidentally put to much vitamin in our little vitamin nuggets"....I cant help but wonder how many other dog food companies are "forgetting" to mention they are adding grains or meal or by products...BB just got caught, and I wonder how many others are just holding their breath, hoping no one looks too closely at them... RC has never made false claims about what it has in it, or how their food was "inadvertantly mislabeled"....I will continue to feed what I have fed for the last 30+ years, with excellent results....I enjoy the piece of mind I get from their second to none quality control.....the quality control of the product plus the results I have gotten in my dogs over all these years, is priceless to me. I do not eat this dog food, nor do I serve it to my family. I feed it to my dogs and they do exceptionally well on it. Their nutritional needs are obviously being more than adequately met.....I have no allergies, no itching, no stool issues, no excessive gas issues, no gurgling tummies, no excessive water intake, no strange skin smells, no dull and oily coats, excellent lab results each year, no issues with livers, hearts, kidneys, kidney stone formation, no pancreatitis, colon absorption, anemia or any mineral or vitamin deficiencies which I am particularly interested in because of breeding my ladies.....as long as my dogs are doing as well as they are doing, and their health needs are obviously being more than adequately met, and they LOVE the food and scarf it down enthusiastically, I have no concern what it costs me....my dogs and their excellent health is vital to my breeding program, and I will feed RC regardless of what the label says, as long as the clinical outcomes and the results of feeding the food clearly results in a positive, evidenced based outcome. As my father used to say, "when it gets down to the nut cutting, the people that stand in line for a Rosehill baby for 2-3 years, expect to get a healthy puppy....they could care less WHAT I feed my dogs, as long as THEIR investment in a puppy has a positive healthy outcome". Food, nutrition, and of course genetics are the necessary, essential building blocks for producing healthy, happy dogs, which when bred, in turn produce healthy puppies. RC is an expense I will not resent paying and will not skimp on....it has done me and my dogs very well over the years. Breeding is such a crap shoot on a good day....when you do not have to be concerned about the nutritional health, vitality, and conditioning of your foundation dogs in your breeding program, that is a major concern alleviated! If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!

wow. That was very well stated. and i agree! You should post that somewhere on their site... excellent rant! Just sayin...

I'm sorry, I can't read a post that long, my eyes hurt lol. I wish you could've spaced it out so it wasn't one big long paragraph.

But all I will say is never did I mean to imply that 'natural' or 'organic' foods are any better. I can't stand Blue Buffalo.

The ingredients in Purina and Iams (NOT what would be known as 'natural' or 'premium' foods by today's standards) have foods that are very similar to Royal Canin's NEW ingredient list and are about 50% cheaper. Purina has done just as much research IMO as RC. No reason to pay RC's incredibly high prices when you can find an equal food.

LOL that is why I stick with Hill's Science Diet (except for RX foods and home cooked foods for some). Bottom line: I trust the company.

I don't spend an inordinate amount of time reading labels. I am simply not a nutritionist....and if they ever put that stuff in it, I won't know anyway. I have healthy, beautiful pups and won't be changing foods.

Oh well....sorry you cant read a long paragraph....fortunately, I am hopeful there are many people that can! It may be helpful for people that are more concerned with what to feed their dogs, than conducting sentence structure lessons to some old woman that is just trying to help clear the confusion.

I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t believe in reading ingredients, you don’t have to be a nutritionist to understand nutrition, just like you don’t have to be a vet to make good informed decisions regarding medical care. We are our dog’s only advocate, to put blind trust in anybody or any company is a huge mistake. We have to question our doctors and vets, and we also have to question the companies that make the foods for our dogs. They truly are in the business to make money, not to help dogs. To say, you’d feed a certain brand, no matter what just because you believe in the company is blind loyalty, and loyalty should never be blind, deaf, or dumb.

Incorrect facts...maybe what you think, but not factual.

In many instances in my "advanced" lifetime (although I can get through a long paragraph!!), I have learned the hard way, you get what you pay for....cheap dogs, cheap food, cheap cars, cheap carpet, cheap landscapers, cheap plumbers, etc....all have ended up costing me much, much more in the end!

Loyality is not blind, deaf, or dumb when you are LOOKING and SEEING and HEARING about excellent results!

Yes, but you haven't started them on the new food yet, the results you see are from the old food, which I heartily endorsed.

I havr always used the same formula....Adult Mini....no changes in the formula.

Well the adult mini still uses chicken meal as the first ingredient. This thread I thought was in response to this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...requested.html. He wanted opinions on Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult Dry Dog Food and that is the food that has changed from chicken meal to chicken by-products, and instead of being number one ingredient it's number three. Adult mini is much better than the new Yorkshire Terrier food, but I hope you consider changing if they start using the by-products in this.

Agreed.

But just because something is more expensive doesn't always mean it's better either.

Badly bred Teacup Yorkies can cost anywhere from $5000-$10,000. Are they better?

Royal Canin's new Yorkie formula is equivalent ingredient and guaranteed analysis'-wise to a few Purina formulas. Why pay double the price for essentially the same thing?

Honestly, at that point, you might as well spend half the money and just feed Dog Chow or something. The new YT RC formula is fairly comparable.

New RC YT ingredients:

Brewers rice, brown rice, chicken by-product meal, chicken fat, wheat gluten, corn gluten meal, corn, natural flavors, powdered cellulose, dried plain beet pulp, fish oil, grain distillers dried yeast, vegetable oil, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, sodium silico aluminate, fructooligosaccharides, sodium tripolyphosphate, salt, taurine, hydrolyzed yeast, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], DL-methionine, choline chloride, magnesium oxide, L-lysine, glucosamine hydrochloride, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, copper proteinate], tea, L-carnitine, chondroitin sulfate, rosemary extract, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid

Crude Protein (% min.) 26.0 Crude Fat (% min.) 16.0 Crude Fiber (% max.) 5.0

Purina® Dog Chow® Brand Dog Food Complete & Balanced


Ingredients:

Whole grain corn, meat and bone meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), chicken, whole grain wheat, egg and chicken flavor, animal digest, brewers rice, salt, potassium chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, Red 40, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium carbonate, Yellow 5, Blue 2, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, Vitamin B-12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, Vitamin D-3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite. H-4120


Crude Protein (Min) 25%

Crude Fat (Min) 10%

Crude Fiber (Max) 4.5%

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And, I am surprised by the number of people who have blindly followed the marketing ploys of the "holistic" companies who try to convince them they are better because of ingredients. I am not going to call them anything......

Speaking for myself, I am not blind, deaf or dumb. Suffice it to say that my comment was to make a point that company should always come first .. hard for me to understand how people go with companies with absolutely no track records. Companies that do nothing to truly research the results of their foods. AND who lie about what they are doing...or hide it with pretty words and advertising. Not even going any further on this thread.

I agree that the word holistic has very little meaning and is overused, and is used more as a marketing ploy that can mislead consumers. Rather than learn about nutrition, consumers looks for words like organic and holistic, and believe me, this is a huge pet peeve of mine. However, I don't think anyone was discussing holistic foods. When I was speaking of blind loyalty, it was to address Yorkiemom's reply, "If RC changes their ingredients to "organic road kill" or "fresh mown alfalfa" or "calcium enriched barnicles", or even "koi pond green alge", as long as my dogs love it, eat it, and THRIVE on it, and I do not have to eat it, it will work for me!". If that isn't blind loyalty, I don't know what is.

"Blind loyalty" to what works and produces optimum results as evidenced by the results SEEN in my dogs, and the babies they produce. I just do not believe in wasting my time or efforts fabricating/imagining a problem where absolutely NONE exists. "If it aint broke, dont fix it....". I had a lawyer tell me once, "I can sit down with ANY chart, from ANY patient, in ANY hospital, and I can make a case for malpractice and collect on it....even where there is none!" I asked him why in the world he would even want to go there, if the patient had a wonderful outcome, was happy and healthy, with no problems or issues.....his response was, "Because I can do it! It is so gratifying for me to show a person how badly they were treated, how miserable they feel, even when they wern't or don't....just makes my day!"

I feel like you are missing the point, I didn't want to change my dog's diet, I was happy with Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier, THEY changed the ingredients without any type of warning or notice or information on the bags, such as "new formula". This wasn't a subtle change, this was a significant change from using chicken meal as the first ingredient, to using chicken by-product and brewer's rice as first ingredient. If your particular food hasn't changed, then I understand perfectly why you don't wish to change it. I didn't want to change either. I do think when you recommend it, you should include the exact name of what you are feeding, because the mini adult is a much better food then the Yorkshire Terrier formula now is.

Yeah, that ^

Of course, since this change is a new event, I will stress I personally use the Adult Mini kibble.....up until this point in time, this was nothing to address. I am aware of the fact that not everyone is concerned with the organizational structure of the ingredients list. I do believe RC was aware of what they were doing when they made this change and the change was researched and tested extensively, as are all their formulas, and not just "thrown out to the public", praying it worked.

Yes, this thread is a direct result of that thread. The RC Yorkie formula is the formula that changed. IDK about the Adult mini, but it looks to be a MUCH better product than the Yorkie specific RC formula that is available today.

Let me introduce myself
 

Hi everyone!

My name is Ashley Harris, and I am a nutritionist with Royal Canin Canada.

I noticed there were a few questions around Royal Canin formulas, our ingredients or nutrients in general and wanted to offer my support to anyone interested.

I didn't want to sidetrack the current conversation you have going on in this thread, so I opened a new thread called http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...questions.html

Take a wander over there, even just to say hi, and feel free to post any questions you might have for me.

Have a great day!
Ashley

Welcome Ashley!! I can certainly use the help of a nutritionist from RC!!!! RC has always responded to any complaints or questions I have ever had, immediately and without reservation! Your appearance is certainly appreciated! I do not think there has ever been an appearance of anyone from "management" from any other brand of dogfood that has been questioned on this forum!! Absolutely bolsters and supports my position that RC is and always has been, very much in tune with their consumers and is aware of what is being discussed regarding their product!

Welcome to YT! :) I met a rep down here recently at my vet's office and she was extremely helpful to me with a decision I had to make with one of my pups who is a calcium oxylate stone former and has had three surgeries. I will definitely check out your other thread! :)

Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Formula
 

I had three yorkies, all female and two were 11 years old and the other was 10 years old. They had all been fed Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier food since they were introduced to food. In August of 2014 I purchased a new bag of Royal Canin and didn't notice that the formula was different. I fed it to my girls as usual and within two day all three were vomiting and had diarrhea. I really didn't know what was wrong, not associating the new bag of food I had just bought days before. I took the sickest girl to the vet and he told me that she had kidney failure and had to stay at the hospital for a few days to receive fluids. When I came home from the vet I called Royal Canin and asked if they had changed their formula. The girl I talked to was named Sherri and she told me yes they did change the formula and that YES my little Yorkies stomachs may not be able to handle the change. She sent me the list of ingredients. I then called and talked to the vet at Royal Canin who then denied what Sherri told me, she said there shouldn't be any problems with the new formula... HA
I lost my Belle in December, she never fully recovered from her "poisoning' as I call it. I contacted the FDA. who took all my info but never asked for the bag to inspect the food. I am sickened by what happened to my poor dogs. Thank God my other two are ok now and I have switched foods and also give them chicken. I loved Royal Canin.. I bragged to everyone about this food. BUT to change the formula and not put it on their package to let you know that it has been changed it WRONG. The "lovely" person at Royal Canin told me that I should never give my dogs a new bag of food without mixing the old bag of food in with it.. what??? I HATE Royal Canin, and hopefully a class action law suit will happen to them also...

I definitely agree about chicken laced with hormones and anti-biotics. But Woukd this be true of organic, hormone free, antibiotic free local chicken?