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pink66 07-23-2014 08:35 PM
vaccines
 
Our vet, that does annual vaccination, told me today that they use vaccines that are supposed to be given every year, and that they are different from those given every 3 yrs. That basically, there's a version of the DAP good for 1 year, and another version of the DAP that is good for 3+ years. Is this true, or is there 1 version that each vet decides how often to re-vaccinate?

kjc 07-23-2014 09:11 PM
What vet do you go to? There is no difference in vaccines, just the age and vaccine status of the dog.

Yorkiemom1 07-23-2014 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4469518)
What vet do you go to? There is no difference in vaccines, just the age and vaccine status of the dog.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Such a shame.....a shame that he says this out of $$$ greed or out of ignorance. I think I would find another vet.... or better yet, ask him if YOU bought the vaccines from a vet supply (Revival or Lambert), can he just give the injection. It would be interesting to see what he will say, because he knows if YOU order the vaccines, the pharmacy you order from will let you know there is no difference in the vaccines!

Lovetodream88 07-23-2014 10:41 PM
It's the same vaccine and it is good for up to 5 years.

pink66 07-24-2014 02:40 AM
Thanks for the replies! This was our last visit to Swan Creek Vet in Havre de Grace, MD! We've had discussions before about vaccines, where she told me that they continue doing annual vaccines because if they went to every 3 years people wouldn't bring their dogs in for check ups!:eek:

kjc 07-24-2014 04:26 AM
The only vaccine required by Maryland law is the 3 yr Rabies vac. It's more important to get your dog(s) tested for Heartworm on a yearly basis.

bjh 07-24-2014 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pink66 (Post 4469515)
Our vet, that does annual vaccination, told me today that they use vaccines that are supposed to be given every year, and that they are different from those given every 3 yrs. That basically, there's a version of the DAP good for 1 year, and another version of the DAP that is good for 3+ years. Is this true, or is there 1 version that each vet decides how often to re-vaccinate?
How old is your baby? The core vaccinations do not need to be given every year. Like others have said they can last 5 years or longer. Some people advise doing a titer test on the dog to determine if the shot is even necessary. Over vaccination can lead to serious health issues.

By law here in Texas they do rabies around 4 months, then at 1 year and after that the rabies is every three years.

Wylie's Mom 07-24-2014 06:21 AM
Wow...what your vet is telling you, from what you're describing anyway, is a blatant and total lie! I'd be so upset. :( :mad:

I'd find another vet, fast!

Here is info on vaccinations, that is CURRENT :): http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html

intilis 07-24-2014 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4469570)
How old is your baby? The core vaccinations do not need to be given every year. Like others have said they can last 5 years or longer. Some people advise doing a titer test on the dog to determine if the shot is even necessary. Over vaccination can lead to serious health issues.

By law here in Texas they do rabies around 4 months, then at 1 year and after that the rabies is every three years.
Not sure if I'm reading this right? Are you saying that the distemper shot is good for THREE years?? My guys have always gotten it every year, and no vet has ever suggested that it might not be needed!

bjh 07-24-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4469827)
Not sure if I'm reading this right? Are you saying that the distemper shot is good for THREE years?? My guys have always gotten it every year, and no vet has ever suggested that it might not be needed!
New research shows that many of the vaccinations our dogs get will last them for years. I prefer the Dr. Dodd's protocol for vaccinations. She recommends titer tests every 3 years rather than just guessing if your dog needs vaccinations. I feel that it is a personal decision that we all need to make for our pets but it is not a decision that should be taken lightly. I recommend everyone do a lot of research on the dangers of over vaccination. Here are a few links that are informative about vaccinations.

Dr. Jean Dodds' Pet Health Resource Blog | 2013 and 2014 Canine Vaccination Protocol - W. Jean Dodds, DVM

Over-Vaccination - Dog Owners Beware - Whole Dog Journal Article

What Your Vet Doesn’t Know About Distemper Could Harm Your Dog | Dogs Naturally Magazine

bjh 07-24-2014 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4469827)
Not sure if I'm reading this right? Are you saying that the distemper shot is good for THREE years?? My guys have always gotten it every year, and no vet has ever suggested that it might not be needed!
This quote is taken from the last part of this article:
What Your Vet Doesn’t Know About Distemper Could Harm Your Dog | Dogs Naturally Magazine

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Dr. Schultz summarizes his 40 years of research with the following:

“Only one dose of the modified-live canine ‘core’ vaccine (against CDV, CAV-2 and CPV-2) or modified-live feline ‘core’ vaccine (against FPV, FCV and FHV), when administered at 16 weeks or older, will provide long lasting (many years to a lifetime) immunity in a very high percentage of animals.”

Like anybody who is exposed to too many drugs, the first step is to admit you have a problem. The second step is to stop the vaccine addiction immediately. That may mean saying no to your vet or, preferably, it means finding a vet who is paying attention to the damage vaccines can cause and is using vaccines (or not using them) to do what they were designed to do: protect your dog!

lisaly 07-24-2014 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4469827)
Not sure if I'm reading this right? Are you saying that the distemper shot is good for THREE years?? My guys have always gotten it every year, and no vet has ever suggested that it might not be needed!
At this point, duration of immunity is greater than or equal to three years. Some places are moving to every five years. I have had Katie titered the past two years to test for immunity.
https://www.aahanet.org/publicdocume...guidelines.pdf

intilis 07-24-2014 02:16 PM
Wow! I'll be talking to my vet about this next time we go:mad:

bjh 07-24-2014 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4469845)
Wow! I'll be talking to my vet about this next time we go:mad:
You can talk to your vet but he may be set in his ways. For some vets it is just about the money. You might want to find a vet that does titer testing and just go from there. I use a couple of different vets but my favorite one is the one that titer tests and he does not over vaccinate.

Britster 07-24-2014 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4469593)
Wow...what your vet is telling you, from what you're describing anyway, is a blatant and total lie! I'd be so upset. :( :mad:

I'd find another vet, fast!

Here is info on vaccinations, that is CURRENT :): http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4469832)
New research shows that many of the vaccinations our dogs get will last them for years. I prefer the Dr. Dodd's protocol for vaccinations. She recommends titer tests every 3 years rather than just guessing if your dog needs vaccinations. I feel that it is a personal decision that we all need to make for our pets but it is not a decision that should be taken lightly. I recommend everyone do a lot of research on the dangers of over vaccination. Here are a few links that are informative about vaccinations.

Dr. Jean Dodds' Pet Health Resource Blog | 2013 and 2014 Canine Vaccination Protocol - W. Jean Dodds, DVM

Over-Vaccination - Dog Owners Beware - Whole Dog Journal Article

What Your Vet Doesn’t Know About Distemper Could Harm Your Dog | Dogs Naturally Magazine

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Any vet giving shots year after year is just ignorant or out for $$$$.

I would find a new vet. But if you want to explain, I would kindly say you will still bring your pup in for a yearly check-up and bloodwork, but have no interest in getting any more vaccines year after year when it's not necessary and been proven to last 5+ years. You can even show how the AAHA recommends every 3-5 years. The only vax required by law in MD is rabies every 3yrs.

valeriejsmyth 07-24-2014 06:06 PM
Also, good to note for those with puppies who are getting vaccines- check with several vets as prices and services vary. The vet I have been going to for several years quoted me $87.50 for each set of shots administered every two weeks. That's over $300. I found a vet who charges $36 for the same shots every two weeks. I called my vet and ask why they charge so much for their shots and they told me that they do a lot of other things beside just administer a shot. I said what things, free food samples, nail clips, we weigh them, free flea sample. When I checked with the cheaper vet they said we do a brief exam, weight, nail clip and shots. Needless to say I am not using that vet anymore for either of my dogs, so they didn't only lose the pups business but my other dog as well. They can keep their freebies...

Yorkiemom1 07-24-2014 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4469832)
New research shows that many of the vaccinations our dogs get will last them for years. I prefer the Dr. Dodd's protocol for vaccinations. She recommends titer tests every 3 years rather than just guessing if your dog needs vaccinations. I feel that it is a personal decision that we all need to make for our pets but it is not a decision that should be taken lightly. I recommend everyone do a lot of research on the dangers of over vaccination. Here are a few links that are informative about vaccinations.

Dr. Jean Dodds' Pet Health Resource Blog | 2013 and 2014 Canine Vaccination Protocol - W. Jean Dodds, DVM

Over-Vaccination - Dog Owners Beware - Whole Dog Journal Article

What Your Vet Doesn’t Know About Distemper Could Harm Your Dog | Dogs Naturally Magazine
I do titers for the core vaccines....my dogs are still positive after 5 years. As more and more research is done on these vaccines, I think it will show what many researchers are already mumbling....these core vaccines are good for at least 7 years, and rabies as well as the core vaccines may very well be effective for the life of the dog in some cases.....

intilis 07-24-2014 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4470008)
I do titers for the core vaccines....my dogs are still positive after 5 years. As more and more research is done on these vaccines, I think it will show what many researchers are already mumbling....these core vaccines are good for at least 7 years, and rabies as well as the core vaccines may very well be effective for the life of the dog in some cases.....


How often do you do titers? Do you wait for 3 years after their last vaccine, or do you do them yearly just to be sure?

kjc 07-24-2014 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by valeriejsmyth (Post 4469924)
Also, good to note for those with puppies who are getting vaccines- check with several vets as prices and services vary. The vet I have been going to for several years quoted me $87.50 for each set of shots administered every two weeks. That's over $300. I found a vet who charges $36 for the same shots every two weeks. I called my vet and ask why they charge so much for their shots and they told me that they do a lot of other things beside just administer a shot. I said what things, free food samples, nail clips, we weigh them, free flea sample. When I checked with the cheaper vet they said we do a brief exam, weight, nail clip and shots. Needless to say I am not using that vet anymore for either of my dogs, so they didn't only lose the pups business but my other dog as well. They can keep their freebies...

It's safer and a better vaccine protection will result if puppy vaccs are given in 4 week intervals, as opposed to the 2 week schedule.

kjc 07-24-2014 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4470015)
How often do you do titers? Do you wait for 3 years after their last vaccine, or do you do them yearly just to be sure?

Your choice, but I would only do them when vaccines are normally due.

pink66 07-25-2014 03:44 AM
I had already made the decision to stop annual vaccination, but what started this discussion with my (now previous) vet was the fact that I am filling out an application to be a foster home for a local rescue. They want a vet reference obviously, and I would be very upset to be declined if they said we were negligent on vaccines. I'm going to be taking everybody in to the new vet just for a check up and also spelling this out on the foster application. Any other suggestions?

kjc 07-25-2014 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pink66 (Post 4470042)
I had already made the decision to stop annual vaccination, but what started this discussion with my (now previous) vet was the fact that I am filling out an application to be a foster home for a local rescue. They want a vet reference obviously, and I would be very upset to be declined if they said we were negligent on vaccines. I'm going to be taking everybody in to the new vet just for a check up and also spelling this out on the foster application. Any other suggestions?

When you switch vets, have your records transferred to the new vet. The new vet can give the history to the rescue.

Yorkiemom1 07-25-2014 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4470028)
Your choice, but I would only do them when vaccines are normally due.
:thumbup::thumbup:
You want to catch it immediately if their immunity should drop off so I do titers annually.

Yorkiemom1 07-25-2014 08:23 AM
I know I remember reading on here someone was rejected as a foster because they were concerned about over vaccinating and was following Dr.Dodd's vaccination recommendation. I dont know what to say.....while I have strong opinions about how I do MY vaccinations on MY dogs, I guess if I was going to foster a dog, that would kind of fall under the catagory of baby sitting someone elses dog until a permanent home is found, and I may therefore follow whatever vaccination requirements the rescue center advocated. I would make that very clear to the rescue, that if they want annual vaccinations, you would follow their recommendations.....and let it go at that.

Lovetodream88 07-25-2014 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pink66 (Post 4470042)
I had already made the decision to stop annual vaccination, but what started this discussion with my (now previous) vet was the fact that I am filling out an application to be a foster home for a local rescue. They want a vet reference obviously, and I would be very upset to be declined if they said we were negligent on vaccines. I'm going to be taking everybody in to the new vet just for a check up and also spelling this out on the foster application. Any other suggestions?
I think there was something about someone or someone's family trying to adopt but were declined because they didn't do the dap every year. Wrong I know. You might want to ask what rescues require as far as vet care and shots and stuff.

lisaly 07-25-2014 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4470211)
:thumbup::thumbup:
You want to catch it immediately if their immunity should drop off so I do titers annually.
I believe Dr. Dodds says every three years, and Dr..Schulz says to do titers annually. My vet prefers titers over vaccinations and was pleased when I asked about them. In the over fifteen years that I've gone to my vet, I've never once felt he recommended something because of money to his practice. He prefers titering yearly, so that's what I do.

shelbysmom 07-25-2014 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pink66 (Post 4470042)
I had already made the decision to stop annual vaccination, but what started this discussion with my (now previous) vet was the fact that I am filling out an application to be a foster home for a local rescue. They want a vet reference obviously, and I would be very upset to be declined if they said we were negligent on vaccines. I'm going to be taking everybody in to the new vet just for a check up and also spelling this out on the foster application. Any other suggestions?

I would get started with a vet that treats with Holistic and Traditional medicine. So nice going to a vet that isn't trying to shove unnecessary treatments at us. I found this one in MD, not sure if it is close to you but you get the idea. Integrative | Veterinary Holistic Care

pink66 07-27-2014 09:10 PM
I really appreciate everyone's input--thank you! I'm just going to tell the rescue the situation and go from there. We'll see what happens!

Ellie May 07-28-2014 01:20 AM
Good thinking. The question is often posed to vets from rescues, "Are current pets UTD on vaccines?". The rescue will usually defer to the vets protocol.

I would not see a vet who tried to force annual core vaccines. That is just way over the top in this day and age. We are a DHP 5 year hospital. I am sure Rylee's rescue would not like it, but he is UTD according to his vet and that is all they need to know.

A yearly or twice yearly exam, labs, and heartworm prevention is the hetter way to spend on your pups.

Opinions on titers vary. I have found them to be a waste of money but can understand why some feel better doing them.

The vet is right that the vaccines are labeled for 1 year. That is not a lie. However, that is not a reason to give it that often with so much evidence to the contrary.


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