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ladyjane 03-14-2014 12:23 PM
Apoquel for allergies
 
Has anyone heard of Apoquel or had any experience with it? My George has allergies and over the years we have tried so many things...from allergy testing and shots to Atopica. The only relief he gets is with Temeril P; but even with it he has issues during the time that clover is out (early spring and later in the summer usually). His testing showed a very high response to clover and sure enough, when it is out he is itching. The interesting thing about the Temeril P is that I swear it has kept his CT controlled because he really is basically asymptomatic except for some occasional coughing at night.

Anyway..........I took him to the vet today for meds. He was developing a skin infection which is usual for him when his conditions are increased. He had a Convenia injection and he also had a steroid injection to control the itching.

My vet suggested I try Apoquel .. it is a new treatment that I had not heard anything about. Just wondering if anyone has tried it yet? He is to start it in a few days after I take him off of the Temeril P .. so I have some time to look into it.

107barney 03-14-2014 12:29 PM
Yes I heard about it recently. A patient at the vet derm today was using it and saying it wasn't working and was going to Atopica. I think our vet derm uses it and like anything else it depends on what works.

ladyjane 03-14-2014 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4405990)
Yes I heard about it recently. A patient at the vet derm today was using it and saying it wasn't working and was going to Atopica. I think our vet derm uses it and like anything else it depends on what works.
Well, maybe he will be lucky since Atopica did not work for him. I am waiting though for a response from Dr. Jones. I want to be sure it is not contraindicated for George.

Mistymillar 03-14-2014 12:54 PM
Alfie has been on Apoquel since it was released here in UK at the start of February, we had been waiting since way last year.

Alfie has been seeing a vet derm since he was just 5 months, when he went almost completely bald round both hip areas. He seems to be doing ok, he was taking half a pill morning and night for 2 weeks then down to half just once a day. He mostly has to wear PJs to keep him from ripping his skin, he is definitely not scratching anywhere near as much but I have caught him nibbling his sides a few times, so I will probably increase back to twice a day.

Even almost constant steroids don't keep his itching away entirely. Until he started on Apoquel he was taking periton and citerazine (sp?) but usually had to be put right back on prednisone, he also eats RC annallergenic.

Mistymillar 03-14-2014 12:56 PM
I also posted some links for Apoquel info a while back, I will look and repost here.

ladyjane 03-14-2014 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mistymillar (Post 4406017)
I also posted some links for Apoquel info a while back, I will look and repost here.
Great thanks! :)

Mistymillar 03-14-2014 12:58 PM
Here is my thread from before with links
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...s-apoquel.html

107barney 03-14-2014 01:16 PM
I think it is less assaulting on the immune system. I would definitely try this first if I were back in time but Atopica has worked so well for daisy for so long. I hope it works for George!

Misty - did you see my post about allerderm? I wonder if that would work for Alfie too!

Mistymillar 03-14-2014 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4406032)
I think it is less assaulting on the immune system. I would definitely try this first if I were back in time but Atopica has worked so well for daisy for so long. I hope it works for George!

Misty - did you see my post about allerderm? I wonder if that would work for Alfie too!
Just saw it a few minutes ago, I will definitely have a look to see if it available in UK. Along with his meds Alfie gets a bath 3times a week with 2 different shampoos.

ladyjane 03-14-2014 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mistymillar (Post 4406021)
Here is my thread from before with links
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...s-apoquel.html
Thanks so much! I cannot believe I missed that thread. I am actually looking forward to trying this on George. It would be wonderful if it would help him. He is fine most of the year but when he starts itching, I hate it so much for him. He needs frequent baths and he so hates them. :)

Mistymillar 03-15-2014 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4406193)
Thanks so much! I cannot believe I missed that thread. I am actually looking forward to trying this on George. It would be wonderful if it would help him. He is fine most of the year but when he starts itching, I hate it so much for him. He needs frequent baths and he so hates them. :)
Good luck I hope it works for him.

Wylie's Mom 03-15-2014 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mistymillar (Post 4406043)
Just saw it a few minutes ago, I will definitely have a look to see if it available in UK. Along with his meds Alfie gets a bath 3times a week with 2 different shampoos.
Misty - if you can't get it there, let me know and I could always get some and mail it to you. :)

Lj -- I've been hearing more and more about it, mostly here at YT. It seems like a great alternative to Atopica! And, perhaps less invasive to the immune system as compared to Atopica. I'm tempted to try it too.

Mistymillar 03-15-2014 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4406264)
Misty - if you can't get it there, let me know and I could always get some and mail it to you. :)

Lj -- I've been hearing more and more about it, mostly here at YT. It seems like a great alternative to Atopica! And, perhaps less invasive to the immune system as compared to Atopica. I'm tempted to try it too.
Thank you Ann, Amazon UK carry it so should be able to order ok.

ladyjane 03-15-2014 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mistymillar (Post 4406260)
Good luck I hope it works for him.
Thanks!...so do I .. I will defnitely update after he has taken it for a while.

ladyjane 03-15-2014 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4406264)
Misty - if you can't get it there, let me know and I could always get some and mail it to you. :)

Lj -- I've been hearing more and more about it, mostly here at YT. It seems like a great alternative to Atopica! And, perhaps less invasive to the immune system as compared to Atopica. I'm tempted to try it too.
I am excited about it and hope it works. I reluctantly tried Atopica last year but it did not work. The Temeril P is ok...but he still has periodic issues... I am praying this works. Will let you know!

HannahRanger 03-17-2014 08:37 AM
My vet put Hannah on apoquel a few weeks ago. She has been on temiril for years now but it will do long term damage to her. Apoquel is not a steroid and it will be better for her in the long run. It seems to have cut down on the scratching and gnawing at her legs.

My question to other yorkie owners is that her back legs have been very red some time now. The vet said it was due to inflammation and hoped the beginning double-dose of the apoquel would allieviate it somehow. Does anyone else experience this with their dogs and have any suggestions?

Wylie's Mom 03-17-2014 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HannahRanger (Post 4407290)
My vet put Hannah on apoquel a few weeks ago. She has been on temiril for years now but it will do long term damage to her. Apoquel is not a steroid and it will be better for her in the long run. It seems to have cut down on the scratching and gnawing at her legs.

My question to other yorkie owners is that her back legs have been very red some time now. The vet said it was due to inflammation and hoped the beginning double-dose of the apoquel would allieviate it somehow. Does anyone else experience this with their dogs and have any suggestions?
Leg/paw licking/chewing is very tough to control - and it's almost pointless bc the dog almost "needs" to do it to obtain some relief. I can tell you that Wylie used to chew/lick a lot more but since it calmed down - the inflammation has calmed down and his fur came back too.

I really hope the Apoquel works for you - allergies are so terribly frustrating :(. I feel for what you're both going through.

Wylie's Mom 03-17-2014 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4406353)
I am excited about it and hope it works. I reluctantly tried Atopica last year but it did not work. The Temeril P is ok...but he still has periodic issues... I am praying this works. Will let you know!
If you don't mind my asking, how much is the Apoquel, as compared to Atopica? I've heard from some that it's more reasonable...Atopica ain't cheap, that's for sure.

HannahRanger 03-17-2014 09:53 AM
Thanks for the advice. I've seen her start to go for her leg and then stop. Hopefully she'll be able to lay off of it enough that the inflammation will go down.

ladyjane 03-17-2014 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4407315)
If you don't mind my asking, how much is the Apoquel, as compared to Atopica? I've heard from some that it's more reasonable...Atopica ain't cheap, that's for sure.
Apoquel 3.6 mg is $39 for 20 tabs. But, my George is to take 1/4 of a tab so it is definitely less than Atopica. Atopica 15ct is $40.58 here.

Wylie's Mom 03-18-2014 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4407380)
Apoquel 3.6 mg is $39 for 20 tabs. But, my George is to take 1/4 of a tab so it is definitely less than Atopica. Atopica 15ct is $40.58 here.
Thank you! Yup, I think it'd be cheaper than Atopica here too. It's nice for once that a newer med is cheaper than Atopica. Will he have to take it every day...or is it like Atopica where the goal is to take it 2-3x per week?

107barney 03-18-2014 05:44 AM
Ann do you use the Atopica liquid? We pay $35 for a two month supply of Atopica for cats, and daisy is on a 5 lb dose every day to every other day.

ladyjane 03-18-2014 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4407727)
Thank you! Yup, I think it'd be cheaper than Atopica here too. It's nice for once that a newer med is cheaper than Atopica. Will he have to take it every day...or is it like Atopica where the goal is to take it 2-3x per week?
No, they stay on this daily.

Wylie's Mom 03-18-2014 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4407743)
Ann do you use the Atopica liquid? We pay $35 for a two month supply of Atopica for cats, and daisy is on a 5 lb dose every day to every other day.
Wow, I didn't even know there was a liquid! I've never been given the option. Do you like it better? Actually a liquid wouldn't be a bad idea for us since Marcel is so small and we technically slightly over-dose him bc of his weight...although he does fine on the slightly large dose. We use the pills and I give it Tues and Thursday. I think we pay about $35 for a box.

107barney 03-18-2014 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4407793)
Wow, I didn't even know there was a liquid! I've never been given the option. Do you like it better? Actually a liquid wouldn't be a bad idea for us since Marcel is so small and we technically slightly over-dose him bc of his weight...although he does fine on the slightly large dose. We use the pills and I give it Tues and Thursday. I think we pay about $35 for a box.
Yes it's Atopica for cats. It comes in two sizes the 5 ML and the 17 ML. I never use the whole bottle because once opened it must be used in 8 weeks. I buy two 5 ML bottles at a time and send in a $7 rebate. Before we used Atopica for cats, we specially ordered neoral liquid. So I've never used the pills. I draw up a 5 lb dose even though she is about 7.5 lbs. We are able to use a more minimal dose this way and have never reached her full dose to keep her allergies at bay. I too am curious about apoquel but am afraid to try it (if it ain't broke don't fix it).

Wylie's Mom 03-18-2014 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4407803)
Yes it's Atopica for cats. It comes in two sizes the 5 ML and the 17 ML. I never use the whole bottle because once opened it must be used in 8 weeks. I buy two 5 ML bottles at a time and send in a $7 rebate. Before we used Atopica for cats, we specially ordered neoral liquid. So I've never used the pills. I draw up a 5 lb dose even though she is about 7.5 lbs. We are able to use a more minimal dose this way and have never reached her full dose to keep her allergies at bay. I too am curious about apoquel but am afraid to try it (if it ain't broke don't fix it).
I'm going to ask my vet about this bc it would give Marcel a more custom dose. Geesh, you're like my medication sensei lately...first the allerderm, now the Atopica :p. I should think of other questions/needs I may have :D.

I'm really curious about the Apoquel...when some pollens are off the charts here, we have some breakthrough symptoms for Marcel...a little paw licking/chewing. It's not *bad*, but it does make me wonder if Apoquel is worth a try.


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