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YorkOfTheShire 07-06-2013 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4262904)
I misunderstood your post. I thought you meant your vet performs surgery without intubation/general anesthesia.

For others who may be reading, info from the sticky post on anesthesia:

I wrote my additional comments before I saw yours. Yes- he intubates but doesn't intubate unless he's sedated them with valium. He said it's asking for problems because undoubtedly they will fight the tube, causing injury...which is a whole mess of new problems.

Perhaps I should have said "a dog should never be intubated [without prior sedation] unless it's medically necessary to save their life."

TxVicki 07-06-2013 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkOfTheShire (Post 4262912)
I wrote my additional comments before I saw yours. Yes- he intubates but doesn't intubate unless he's sedated them with valium. He said it's asking for problems because undoubtedly they will fight the tube, causing injury...which is a whole mess of new problems.

Perhaps I should have said "a dog should never be intubated [without prior sedation] unless it's medically necessary to save their life."

Now this I agree with. The other way I thought you were saying, heck no I wouldn't agree with that.

ladyjane 07-06-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkOfTheShire (Post 4262158)
A Yorkie 7 lbs or less should never be intubated unless medically necessary to save their life. Our vet uses valium to sedate any toy breed because they feel intubating puts too much stress on their trachea and other structures in their tiny throats.

...would a vet that does a hundred spays/neuters on a daily basis (ask them, it's a lot of spays and neuters) take the personal time with your pet to make sure they are fully comfortable, not intubated, do a PAS screening, and then have the office staff to properly care for your puppy nonstop until you bring your puppy home? Perhaps the humane society vet in your area is better than the ones here - but I wouldn't trust the ones here with my dogs for even half a second.
I did not misread or misunderstand a thing. You said it clearly...NO intubation.

Perhaps you meant something else, but it is not what you said.

As for intubation while a pup is fully conscious...simply NOT going to happen. I cannot imagine anyone trying it.

107barney 07-06-2013 06:12 PM
I'm sorry but I don't like valium for sedation. My dogs get propofol before going under anesthesia.

107barney 07-06-2013 06:14 PM
Also wanted to add $75 for a microchip is highway robbery. I paid less than $25 at a major metropolitan hospital. A friend just had the local shelter do her dog's for $15. For $75, um, I hope it will be plated with gold.

107barney 07-06-2013 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkOfTheShire (Post 4262895)
They use valium to sedate the dog rather than intubating the dog prior to surgery - it's not safe to intubate a toy breed without using valium beforehand unless it is medically necessary to save their life IE: emergency.

I trust my vet - I don't want my dogs intubated unless they have no idea of what's going on - why would anyone believe otherwise???

...any vet who intubates a toy breed without using valium or another brand of what they call 'diazepam' or something similar - before they stick that tube down their throats - shouldn't even be in practice.
Valium is cheap so some vets still like it. There are newer drugs like propofol that can be reversed immediately and thus can arguably be considered safer for toy breeds. I use vets that use propofol for induction. I would never even consider letting a vet pet my dog who did not premed my dog before inserting a endotracheal tube for surgery. The things I hear on this board...

Lovetodream88 07-06-2013 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4263013)
I'm sorry but I don't like valium for sedation. My dogs get propofol before going under anesthesia.
Propofol is what my regular vet, the orthopedic surgeon and I think the vet dentist used on Callie.

Ellie May 07-06-2013 06:57 PM
I would only allow my trusted vets to alter my pets because I know they won't shortchange my pets on quality of care. Quality takes presurgery labs, a knowledge of the pet's history, IV fluids, monitoring with dedicated tech, as much time as needed, the best anesthetics, sterile environment, one animal done at a time, close monitoring postop, etc. While some clincs may be great, I can tell you the pace that I volunteered at did not impress me and I would not let my dogs set paw in there even for vaccines.

I have never seen a vet intubate without knocking down first. I hope that isn't a common occurrence! Would be very traumatizing for the dog and very difficult to accomplish... A lot of Propofol is used here. Ket/Val is used less and less. Intubation is smooth with Propofol. Even my liver compromised dog is knocked down before intubation (in her (somewhat uncommon) case she is masked with Iso instead of using injectabes).

Verbena 07-06-2013 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4263002)
I did not misread or misunderstand a thing. You said it clearly...NO intubation.

Perhaps you meant something else, but it is not what you said.

As for intubation while a pup is fully conscious...simply NOT going to happen. I cannot imagine anyone trying it.
Ok I read the same thing. Thanks

YorkOfTheShire 07-06-2013 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4262978)
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Now this I agree with. The other way I thought you were saying, heck no I wouldn't agree with that.

Thank you and no, I didn't word it correctly. I will try and be more detailed in the future. I guess I assumed that intubation was part of any procedure...*after* sedation...that it was a given and didn't need mention.

On the other hand - I was told that not all vets use a sedative beforehand. Perhaps I was told incorrectly and they all do. I don't think it's right for any vet to intubate a dog when the dog is conscious.

I apologize for any misunderstanding.


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