i know this was posted a while ago but does burns dog food have carrageenan in it

Seems like this is an older post but glad it got "bumped". I have a couple cans of BB, RC and one Caesar left. I will finish it up and then look into other resources.

I do "not" feed the wet as his main meal. I feed him a little less than a 1/4 of dry and top it off with a little of the wet 2x a day.
I asked my vet about protein in the toy breeds/yorkies and he said anything under 28% should be fine. Junebugs' dry is 22% and the wet is anywhere between 8-9%. BB wet, RC wet and even Caesar shows Carrageenan way down the list (around #11 or so) so I think using these foods as a topper to mix with dry will not harm them. Feeding it as their main meals/nutritional source would be something to reconsider.

You can look at the ingredient list on the can or pouch. Carrageenan is typically added to canned or refrigerated food or food rolls as a thickening agent.

I would not risk it because these dogs are small it only takes a little and what I have read has made me go through all my dog treats and food and throw anything a way with it in there.

Since this is an old thread, I hadn't seen it before. Actually, the idea that carrageenan is harmful to human or animal health is quite controversial. The study with arthritic rodents was done by surgically implanting carrageenan pellets into their bodies--the arthritis was not induced by ingesting carrageenan.

There are many health uses for carrageenen. See this article on webmd:

CARRAGEENAN: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings - WebMD

Also read the wikipedia article:

Carrageenan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Undoubtedly, there are people and animals who are allergic to carrageenan. If you have a dog who is having digestive or joint problems, carrageenan is one item to consider eliminating to see if their health improves, but I wouldn't automatically avoid a food just because it contains carrageenan...

Why take the risk? Isn't Wikipedia where anyone can write and change things?

I just checked my cans of Wellness and they have it in them. In fact, in the Wellness "Simple", it is listed as the 4th ingredient:( Innova does too.

The Simply Nourish stews do not seem to have it in them.

Here is a link to a thread listing carrageenan-free foods:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...food-list.html

I thought the study said it injected carrageenan into lab rat's joints. From ncbi in the 1st post: Drugs, alone or in combination, were injected into the knee joint 30 min before intra-articular administration of carrageenan.
So does that mean carrageenan was surgically implanted? What's the difference if it was injected or implanted, it still caused inflammation.

This is what WebMD had to say about the health benefits: "More evidence is needed to rate the effectiveness of carrageenan for these uses."
"Medications for high blood pressure (Antihypertensive drugs) interacts with CARRAGEENAN
Carrageenan seems to decrease blood pressure. Taking carrageenan along with medications for high blood pressure might cause your blood pressure to go too low.
Some medications for high blood pressure include captopril (Capoten), enalapril (Vasotec), losartan (Cozaar), valsartan (Diovan), diltiazem (Cardizem), Amlodipine (Norvasc), hydrochlorothiazide (HydroDiuril), furosemide (Lasix), and many others."


My mom takes high blood pressure meds, so it's imperative she does not ingest any foods w/carrageenan. I did not know this, TG I threw everything away that had carrageenan in it!



From Wikipedia: "While some indicate that carrageenan safely passes through rat GI tracts without adverse effect when it is a dietary ingredient,[2] other animal dietary studies have observed colitis-like disease and tumor promotion."

Not worth giving IMO, Princess went through colitis b4 & it was horrible, never want her to go through it again. If carrageenan in pet food is the 1st 5 ingredients, I would be concerned about the amount that's in the food.
My mom has rheumatoid arthritis on her knees & since she stopped eating foods containing carrageenan, she had not had a flare up, that's enough proof for me.

All the foods who don't have it are not on your list.

I thought carrageenan is just seaweed/kelp? It's a natural thickening agent. Just like gelatin from bone marrow but vegetarian. Do they do some type of chemical process on it to make it bad?

Injected or surgically implanted is the same to the rat--the carrageenan was artificially placed inside the body. The point is, the rats did not get arthritis from ingesting (eating) carrageenan.


Evidently, carrageenan isn't in dry dog food, or at least it's not in my dry dog food, so it's not a concern for me. It is in a lot of foods that humans eat, including my Very Vanilla Soymilk that I drink every day, and I haven't had any ill effects, nor did I get ill as a child when I drank tea made from Irish Moss, which is loaded with carrageenan (the tea was disgustingly slimy, but that's another story). Not to say that others aren't affected, but my point is that as with many or most food products, some people will be affected. I'm not affected adversely by carrageenan, but to each his or her own...

You could have just added yours to hers........

Carrageenan comes from Irish Moss seaweed. It's a polysaccharide like starch, except it has sulfate groups attached to it. It is not broken down or digested by the body. I could imagine some people and animals being allergic to it because it is an unusual molecule, but it passes through most people without harm. It's considered a natural ingredient and is allowed in organic food because it comes from seaweed. BUT, just because a product is natural or organic doesn't mean that it is 100% safe for everyone.

Yeah...and everyone was going to die from using products with saccharin. And, dogs are dying from CET water additive. Much ado if you ask me.

But I didn't, sheesh! Can't you just leave things as they are instead of nit-picking? It's done....over! I'm here trying to help and all you can do is say I should have done this...should have done that...LET IT BE!

Here are some PM's I received recently:

"Thank you JuneBugs Momma for adding your findings. The more the better and I appreciate what products you listed!"

"I'm glad you posted your list of carrageenan-free foods, for it allowed Minimomo to post her list as well from a while back so now I have both to refer to."

Peace!

Does splenda have saccharin in it? Do they know what in the CET water additive is make the dogs die?

I just thought it would be good to have them all together to make it easier for people sheesh sue me.

Dogs are not dying....I was just saying that because there are people who nit pick about ingredients in things and I think it is overkill. I have used that stuff without a problem. Same thing with SweetNLow .. it has saccharin in it...there is no proof it causes cancer but many years ago they said it would and scared the heck out of people.

Pink slime lol

Seems like it's Shark Week on YT too!

I had a really bad migraine today, so I won't go into any debate over this but carrageenan is something I CHOOSE not to give to my dogs & I won't be buying any people food w/it either.

Looks like if you want to avoid this stuff it may be difficult...here is a list of products it is found in...found this on Wikipedia

Food and other domestic uses[edit source | editbeta]
Desserts, ice cream, cream, milkshakes, salad dressings, sweetened condensed milks, and sauces: gel to increase viscosity
Beer: clarifier to remove haze-causing proteins
Pâtés and processed meats (ham, e.g.): substitute for fat, increase water retention and increase volume, or improve sliceability
Toothpaste: stabilizer to prevent constituents separating
Fruit Gushers: ingredient in the encapsulated gel
Fire fighting foam: thickener to cause foam to become sticky
Shampoo and cosmetic creams: thickener
Air freshener gels
Marbling: the ancient art of paper and fabric marbling uses a carrageenan mixture on which to float paints or inks; the paper or fabric is then laid on it, absorbing the colours
Shoe polish: gel to increase viscosity
Biotechnology: gel to immobilize cells/enzymes
Pharmaceuticals: used as an inactive excipient in pills/tablets
Soy milk and other plant milks: used to thicken, in an attempt to emulate the consistency of whole milk
Diet sodas: to enhance texture and suspend flavours
Pet food
Personal lubricants
Animal models of inflammation used to test analgesics (dilute lambda carrageenan solution (1–2%) injected subcutaneously causes swelling and pain)
Veggie dogs

Not really, I don't consume or use most the stuff on that list anyway, but toothpaste is a necessity. I get my ice cream from Trader Joe's & it doesn't have carrageenan in it. It has guar gum & that's also known to cause stomach irritation in large amounts, so nothing is 100% safe. It's in a lot of the processed people foods, I was so surprised that half of the stuff was in our fridge!

This makes me want to avoid carrageenan as much as I can, from 1st post:
The Joint Expert Committee (Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN and the WHO) on Food Additives has recommended that carrageenan be excluded from infant formula and that current intake of carrageenan in the diet be re-evaluated [5].

The implications for human disease may be profound, since carrageenan is consumed in significant quantity in the human diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3495619/

I may joke about it but I pulled everything from Callie's food/treat closet that has it in them. I have not had the time to look at our human food but I'm less worried about me because it would take a lot more to effect me then Callie. Anything that has a chance of causing cancer I take 100% seriously because every one is getting cancer and its scary.

I want to see more on this before I make a decision on whether it's OK or bad. Time and time again, you hear about some sort of food or ingredient being horrible, then they come back and say that it has some sort of awesome benefit.

The key, in any case, is usually moderation. Or eat whole, unprocessed foods.

Here is an interesting discussion where both sides of the story are discussed. Read the main article, then skip down to the discussion.

http://blog.healthkismet.com/carrage...h-inflammation


Read the reply @ June 4, 2012 at 7:53 pm, and the further replies to that posting. Seriously, if this person is making food out of that same seaweed, then it has carrageenan in it. But the blogger goes on to tell him that it's OK if consumed as long as it's still part of the seaweed?

Then read the reply @ July 16, 2012 at 12:05 pm, and the further replies to that posting.

I don't think it's as simple as "all carageenan is bad for everyone." Sure, there could be some people that truly have a problem with it. Some people can't eat peanuts or gluten, etc.

But if you don't like the idea of it, don't eat it. Simply put, when it comes to food additives, eat whole foods and stay away from processed foods and your problem is solved. The amounts we are subjected to are probably very little anyway. I can't remember the last time I ate ice cream, and I do eat yogurt but it isn't in the yogurt that I buy. It isn't in any of my dog's food or treats, either.

Kind of what I have been saying I guess....over the years I have seen so much of this kind of talk and it turned out to be nothing.

I am not going to go through every product in my home that has this stuff in it and pitch it. I just don't see enough to concern me enough to do that.