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Buster Brown 02-07-2012 10:41 AM
What is considered too much Fat
 
I am looking for a new food as I like to switch Buster's food occassionally. I have been feeding Orijen Regional Red, Honest Kitchen Verve and an trying the Arcana Grasslands but he is not that interested in it. I am currently feeding him the Ziwipeak Daily Dog Cusine because I like the idea of air dried raw. The fat content does concern me because it is 26%. What are considered normal ranges for fat content especially where small breeds are concerned.
Venison - ‘Daily-Dog' Cuisine 5kg/11lb - 1kg/2.2lb
INGREDIENTS: Venison - Meat (min. 65%), Liver, Tripe, Heart and Kidney (min. 19.5%), Chicory Inulin, Green-lipped Mussel (min. 4%), Fish Oil, Lecithin, Kelp, Vitamins and Minerals, Parsley, Naturally preserved with mixed tocopherols, additives: Vit. D3 592 IU/kg, Vit. E 7.4mg/kg, Copper (copper proteinate) 9.8mg/kg. Calories 1794 KJ/100g.
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Protein (min.) 34% Ash (max.) 8% Fat (min.) 26% Fibre (max.) 1.6% Moisture (max.) 15% Calcium 2%

Phosphorus P 1.1%

Cherie6446 02-07-2012 10:47 AM
I had the same question about Stella & Chewy's freeze dried raw. There fat content is 38% which scared me. Then someone with knowledge on YT explained that there is a formula that reduces the fat content from freeze dried raw. I feed Zoey S&C and she loves it. So far not problems. I much prefer the dried raw to the cold wet raw. I had feeding her cold food.

Buster Brown 02-07-2012 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 3818602)
I had the same question about Stella & Chewy's freeze dried raw. There fat content is 38% which scared me. Then someone with knowledge on YT explained that there is a formula that reduces the fat content from freeze dried raw. I feed Zoey S&C and she loves it. So far not problems. I much prefer the dried raw to the cold wet raw. I had feeding her cold food.
Thank you, good to know. I will have to research that conversion formula. I like the idea too. We tried the Primal and he liked it until the trial package was done and I bought a full pkg and then he would not eat it. LOL He did not like the crumbly texture of the freeze dried Stella and Chewys. I bought the Ziwipeak Daily Cuisine as a treat initially as it is can easily be broken into very small bits. He LOVES IT, it is like doggie crack to Buster. So I am trying it as his food. He is on a diet so I am reducing the portions as I figure out what amount to feed him to cause a gradual loss of weight.

Ellie May 02-07-2012 11:03 AM
It is 30 percent fat dry matter and 40 percent protein. It has to be converted to dry matter for accurate percentages. This mathematically removes moisture which isn't a nutrient.

Since the protein converts to 40 percent and the fat converts to 30 percent and the ash/calcium/fiber combined are less than 5 percent, that would mean the carbs make up about 25 percent which would give us the total of 100 percent.

To your question I'd say everybody has their own opinions. Mine is this food is not suitable for yorkies.

Buster Brown 02-07-2012 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3818614)
It is 30 percent fat dry matter and 40 percent protein. It has to be converted to dry matter for accurate percentages. This mathematically removes moisture which isn't a nutrient.

Since the protein converts to 40 percent and the fat converts to 30 percent and the ash/calcium/fiber combined are less than 5 percent, that would mean the carbs make up about 25 percent which would give us the total of 100 percent.

To your question I'd say everybody has their own opinions. Mine is this food is not suitable for yorkies.
Just wondering why do you consider this not suitable for Yorkies? Is it for fat content, protein? This is not meant to be a confrontational question. I am truely trying to educate myself on feeding Buster a healthy diet and there are so many things to consider. I consider all advice valuable learning tools. Thanks Carolyn

Ellie May 02-07-2012 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster Brown (Post 3818635)
Just wondering why do you consider this not suitable for Yorkies? Is it for fat content, protein? This is not meant to be a confrontational question. I am truely trying to educate myself on feeding Buster a healthy diet and there are so many things to consider. I consider all advice valuable learning tools. Thanks Carolyn
There are a lot of strikes against this food for me (don't like such high protein, don't feed raw, I wonder about the company, etc.). But when I said not suitable, I meant the fat content. Yorkies are prone to pancreatitis. Some people believe dogs don't get pancreatitis if the fat is raw, but a google sesrch showing posts from people who fed raw and ended up with a pancreatitis dog has convinced me otherwise.


The fat content probably won't hurt more dogs. But if your dog is predisposed to pancreas issues (and yorkies as a breed are) then you might find out the scary way that that's the case.

Buster Brown 02-07-2012 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3818648)
There are a lot of strikes against this food for me (don't like such high protein, don't feed raw, I wonder about the company, etc.). But when I said not suitable, I meant the fat content. Yorkies are prone to pancreatitis. Some people believe dogs don't get pancreatitis if the fat is raw, but a google sesrch showing posts from people who fed raw and ended up with a pancreatitis dog has convinced me otherwise.


The fat content probably won't hurt more dogs. But if your dog is predisposed to pancreas issues (and yorkies as a breed are) then you might find out the scary way that that's the case.
Thanks I appreciate the heads up. Definitely more research is needed.:)


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