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Need you experienced Yorkie Moms help As some of you know, Toby Tyler had 7 big bladder stones, and had to have them removed. Dr. wants to put him on KD dog food. Heres my problem. One he is the pickiest eater in America, and two, I googled and read almost a days worth of info about dog food for dogs with bladder stones. What I learned was dog food has to have a good protein source, low phosphates, and ingredients like cranberrys and antitoxins. After doing the comparison, I believe the origen in much better and has more nutrients. Doc said ok for two or three months then we do another urinaylisis and if there are krystals forming we have no choice but to put him on KD. So anyone have experience with this? Whats your take? Appreciate any input. |
These were struvite stones? I would look at K/D, Purina NF, and maybe even Sci Diet C/D. If Orijen was very good at struvite prevention, then I wouldn't expect to see 7 stones in a bladder. It does not have the correct levels for this issue. Cranberries tend to get good reviews for this sort of thing, but only adidify the urine for a few hours at most and not as well as what people would think. Your pup needs low phosphorus or your vet wouldn't be going with K/D. I'm sure Orijen is much higher. The quality of meat in Orijen is pretty much the same as most other dog foods (there was a recent thread in Health and Diet about this). It is higher in protein which I know some people prefer, but a high protein diet isn't one of the needed things here. I think a veterinary diet would be much more appropriate for your pup. |
If i was you i would for sure try out honest kitchens special supplement for urinary problems, including stones. It sounds like a great product. They also have a whole article on their website about it. ANd about which foods are best for it. I hope you go check it out. I know i would for sure, if my dog had stones. |
Diet & Nutrition Most holistic vets recommend feeding a good quality commercial food (not one of the ‘prescription’ diets which tend to be full of by-products and artificial ingredients including chemical preservatives) or better still – a homemade diet, along with a supplement that is suited to the type of crystals the pet has. A diet that is higher in moisture is always best. More moisture or fluid intake helps to keep the whole urinary tract hydrated and ‘flushed out’, removing toxins like bacteria, and any crystals that may be starting to form. Dry kibbled ‘pellet’ diets are the worst type of food for pets who have already experienced a urinary tract problem, or who are prone to infections and crystals. Dry food actually robs the system of moisture. By definition, raw (BARF) and homemade (fresh and cooked) diets are much higher in moisture than their kibbled and baked counterparts. Canned food is another option for increasing the total moisture intake. Urinary Tract Health | The Honest Kitchen |
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I would not use Orijen, Honest Kitchen, or any of those foods for this dog. Adding supplements and/or foods to acidify the bladder environment can help with struvites but the problem is that the bladder then becomes conducive to forming oxalate stones. If your vet is saying the dog needs K/D and you don't want to do that, I would consult with a nutritionist -- a board certified veterinary nutritionist and not an armchair, layperson, or other self-proclaimed nutritional pundit -- and I'd get advice there. |
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Totally agree! I might also add that I have a foster who had bladder stones when his owner had him and then again right after he came to me. He had surgery twice for bladder stones. He was put on a prescription diet and so far, so good....no further stones or urinary problems. He has been with me for quite a long time .. blind and no one has really expressed interest....long enough for me to know that this RX food is helping him! He is on Urinary SO. I also kept two pups alive for years by following the vet's advice to use a prescription diet for renal failure. Both of them were on Purina NF which they liked better than the Hill's KD. Additionally, I had one with renal issues and pancreatitis and I had a consult done with the vet nutritionist at Texas A&M. I then home cooked for him since none of the diets met his needs. Sick dogs need to be treated by licensed veterinarians imho...not someone on the internet who is a self professed expert in animal nutrition. I don't trust the nutrition sites, but that's just me. I personally will always go with the board certified vet nutritionists. |
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Bottom line is... You have to do what's best for your dog. What works for one doesn't always work for another -- just like people. Good Luck! |
You know it's easy to pick apart dog food, and believe me I was the queen at it until we had some problems here that I couldn't fix by my own research and advice from all but my Vet. Finally went with a prescription diet as he had recommended from the start and our problems are now manageable. We didnt have urinary trouble, was pancreatic. I would say do what your Vet is saying and give it some time. Keep monitoring the progress and let his years of education guide you. Good luck and I hope your sweet baby gets better! |
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Sounds like my situation as well. Rosie is on I/D and (knock on wood) we haven't had any more issues with her IBS at this point. I think the RX diet works. Or at least it has for my girl. I say go with your vets advice or see a specialist for this area. |
I agree that sometimes prescription diet is the only way to go. At the clinic i work at i have seen many dogs put on the prescription diet, right back in with stones who required a second surgery within a year or so. But i also have never heard of a dog with stones put on k/d. I have seen k/d used for kidney problems. I have only seen c/d s/d and u/d used for urinary/ bladder stone problems. |
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I was not saying its wrong, just engaging in conversation, saying i have never heard of it, i in no way meant its wrong, sorry if you took it that way. It seems you are trying to defend it, i wasnt meaning it rude. |
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