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ladyjane 07-12-2011 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Munchie09 (Post 3595953)
At no means do I mean to sound like I'm mad cause I'm not and I thank you guys for responding. I understand why u think drugs are needed. But I know form my experience from the improvement I'm seeing with my dog that the program he is on is better than the drugs. Hear is a link to his vet website where others with sick animals have gotten better. Main Street Vets, Stone Mountain Georgia

I hope you will understand that I am not being judgemental here. I just have to ask you how you simply believe one website and the words of invisible people? The cases mentioned are all different...and honestly you have no way of knowing if they are real. You cannot really call that research.

You are saying that he is better but you really have no way of measuring that if you are not doing any further testing.

This is terribly concerning to me.

Munchie09 07-12-2011 02:14 PM
YES I DO and I did not just look at this site. I researched it! There are many natural cures out there, NOT JUST DRUGS. If you think not then hey that's you and the drug companies have you fooled . I think you are being judgemental for knocking something you really don't understand.

ladyjane 07-12-2011 03:06 PM
Well, good...since you researched it, how about you share that information with us rather than give us a website to your holistic vet with testimonials that have nothing to do with scientific data.

I would love to see this information! Always good to know about different treatments. :)

Lorraine 07-12-2011 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3595026)
Yorkies can have bigger hearts and it be normal. A cardiologist is the best idea if your vet suspects and enlarged heart.

An enlarged heart can be extremely serious and it's best to follow the recommendations of a cardiologist.
You are absolutely right, for inexperienced Vets in Yorkies, they think the yorkie they are seeing has an enlarged heart which it may not be at all. I would first see a Vet very FAMILIAR with Yorkies that know what they are looking at when looking at the xray. Any yorkie breeders in your area that could perhaps refer you to a good vet familiar with Yorkies.
Unfortunately Vets that are a small animal practice, ie, all dogs and cats are not usually that familiar with particular breeds.

Tae1107 07-12-2011 03:21 PM
I have used many probioitcs with my dogs and always look at other options that I can use with my pups...however I always get a diagnosis from a board certified specialist when it come to any issues that our out of the norm with my dogs....my vet will be the first to refer me to the correct specialist if there is a concern with the heart, liver etc...

(that is including the holistic vet that I use on occasion too.... who has also referred out)

What everyone is saying is that you should go to a cardiologist for a proper diagnosis and assesment of your puppy's heart.... that is their speciality ...this has not been done and this is what is concerning to us....

I took one of my dogs to a cardiologist and no medication was recommended at that time..did I feel it was a waste of my money..no there were a few things that need to be watched and now I have a baseline for when he goes back to the cardiologist again...

gidget529 07-12-2011 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Munchie09 (Post 3596069)
YES I DO and I did not just look at this site. I researched it! There are many natural cures out there, NOT JUST DRUGS. If you think not then hey that's you and the drug companies have you fooled . I think you are being judgemental for knocking something you really don't understand.


I have read what links you have provided. The method of NRT he is using has no scientific basis and is a scientific impossibility. You cannot measure electrical currents in ANYTHING by touching them with your hand, let alone through another person. To concur with such an idea leads others to believe you have not studied medicine or electricity. I am not sure how well this vet did in college, because these theories fly in the face of anatomy, physiology and physics. It's kind of like saying the law of gravity isn't true.

The heart's electrical current cannot be measured this way (as I am sure Wylie's Mom will corroborate). The electrical current eminates from the sinoatrial node ending in the Purjinke fibers. It is measured through electrocardiogram, which involves placing electrodes on the chest. I have also studied electrical current applied to the body during life-saving cardiac measures (defibrillation).

Was your mind made up when you posted on this site about your chosen course of treatment and you were really not looking for advice?

Wylie's Mom 07-13-2011 05:41 AM
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I have read what links you have provided. The method of NRT he is using has no scientific basis and is a scientific impossibility. You cannot measure electrical currents in ANYTHING by touching them with your hand, let alone through another person. To concur with such an idea leads others to believe you have not studied medicine or electricity. I am not sure how well this vet did in college, because these theories fly in the face of anatomy, physiology and physics. It's kind of like saying the law of gravity isn't true.

The heart's electrical current cannot be measured this way (as I am sure Wylie's Mom will corroborate). The electrical current eminates from the sinoatrial node ending in the Purjinke fibers. It is measured through electrocardiogram, which involves placing electrodes on the chest. I have also studied electrical current applied to the body during life-saving cardiac measures (defibrillation).

Was your mind made up when you posted on this site about your chosen course of treatment and you were really not looking for advice?
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I agree.

An ECG is so easy to get, and it can't be obtained via the method this holistic vet is using.

Munchie, you were asking for our experiences with this issue - so please don't get upset/defensive at us for answering your thread. Everyone here is trying to help your dog, and nothing else.

Also, bc you see/think there is improvement in your kiddo, it doesn't mean there is improvement in the actual condition. An analogy to this is like being diagnosed w/ cancer, not treating the cancer, but then thinking it's better bc there is an improvement in one of the clinical symptoms. Clinical symptoms change/adjust *all* the time. That's one of the major reasons for doing objective, scientific tests to properly diagnose and then track the condition.

Your kiddo may indeed just have an enlarged heart w/out pathology. If so, wonderful. But you can't gleen this info from what your vet is doing at this point.

Here is a link on cardiomyopathy: Canine Cardiomyopathy Diagnosis - VetInfo

Attached is what would be evaluated on an ECG (this is what the conduction of a heartbeat looks like, electrically, as it moves thru your heart from 'top' to 'bottom')....


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