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gracielove 05-23-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3543497)
Yorkies are a notoriously picky breed. You have tried everything that I would have suggested. What people foods have you tried? How long do you leave a bowl of kibble out while giving her nothing else to see if she will eventually eat?

I'd be concerned that she is running away from some of it and the issue has gone on for so long. While likely just a behavioral thing, when was her last blood work? ALT, ALKP, BUN numbers? Have you ever considered bile acids testing to see how her liver is functioning? Liver compromised dogs sometimes refuse food because it makes them feel sick (and I uspose the same could be said for those with intestinal issues). Stool always formed and brown? Any vomiting?

Gracie had blood work done when she was about 6 months old. My vet had wanted to do it sooner but I put it off as she was acting fine. When this dog food problem continued and got worse I took her in. Everything came back normal. She is not given people food or even doggy snacks, which by the way she likes, so as I said she is always hungry. The only way I can get some dog food down her is to hand feed what I make. If I offer her commercial food from my hand she refuses though. I am near to tears over this. Am sending for samples of other foods. I can't see another bag of food go to waste.

gracielove 05-23-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3544295)
You can order hk samples on their website.

Thanks. I'll go there and order some. I ordered Natures Variety samples about a week ago. I have wasted so many bags of food I would rather try samples at this point.
I love this little dog dearly but she is very head strong and would like to be boss of the house. There is a lot of personality in that little body.

gracielove 05-23-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lexxicakes (Post 3544210)
my dog goes crazy for the honest kitchen food... we used to feed him blue bluffalo and then switched to acana which he LOVED like crazy... until we started feeding him an honest kitchen sample pack for an occasional treat. Now he doesn't want the acana and will wait around for a little while to see if we'll give him some honest kitchen too.

my bentley is entirely grain free so we do the embark and he loves it. as im making it the dogs always follow me around the kitchen and sit until im finished.
they have 2 sample pack sizes and theres a bunch of different types... i'm thinking about switching bentley to it entirely but i worry that he needs something to chew and not just soft wet food all the time.

I'm glad you mentioned the Embark. I was unsure about which one to try to get.

Cathy97528 05-23-2011 10:30 AM

Both my dogs were picky eaters. I stressed out over it until I spoke with a trainer, holistic pet store owner, and the vet...... their conclusions were, and this is almost verbatim... "there's no record of a Yorkie ever starving to death"

following their recommendations, I withheld food for one day. Simply did not put any food down at all (just water).

The next day, I fed 1/2 the recommended daily serving amount of a well balanced, nutritional dog food.

The following day, I fed 1/2 daily serving in the AM, and 1/2 in the PM.

I continued to follow that routine. If at any time the food was not eaten within half an hour, I picked it up. No snacks or treats until the next regular meal time. It took a couple days but it worked!

Now I've got an eager eater. Rarely is there a morsel left on his plate.

backwardsrain 05-23-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3543791)
She has vomited only about 4 times since she was a puppy. No diarrhea at all. I make sure there is no food down at night so she goes without anything available until morning. When we eat she begs for food. She is always hungry but refuses dog food. I make her a mix of chicken or beef with brown rice or sweet potatoes and vegetables. She will eat some if I hand feed her and having the cats act like they want it seems to peak her interest. It is just so frustrating and time consuming to do this and as I have said I am concerned about her long term health.
I can't leave the dry food down too long because the cats will eat it if I don't protect it. They love the Taste of the Wild food. Gracie isn't impressed with it. I have seen her eat a piece of two of it that is on the floor and not in the dish so I leave some on the floor and sometimes she will eat a few pieces of it.

I would try dumping her food directly on the floor and see if she eats it. Mine will sometimes only eat when I dump the food on the floor, and there is another thread where several people said their Yorkies won't eat out of dishes.

Britster 05-23-2011 12:03 PM

Have you tried mixing it real chicken or some kind of other meat? I've never seen a dog turn down REAL chicken breast or REAL meat of any kind. I use canned food to mix with Jackson's kibble. He gets canned food mixed in real good with his kibble for breakfast and dinner but sometimes I have just regular chicken breast that I shred into his food, then I put a dab of water, stir it around so it gets on all the kibble, and he happily eats.

Also, alot of picky dogs LOVE raw food. Stella & Chewy's, Primal, and Nature's Variety come to mind. Worth looking into. :)

gracielove 05-23-2011 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ritapatt (Post 3544270)
Ziva is not a big eater and with 5 people in the house she wants people food. She will only eat dog food -TOTW- when there is nothing else in sight.She also liked Solid gold wee bits and could eat that faster when she got hungry.
She eats 1/3 c a day, 1 tsp cottage cheese, 1 tsp chicken or beef and a lot of that is in the evening when all other people food is put away, I feed her from a flat dish (corning ware sidekicks), in a room by herself- I sit down with a cup of tea and the newspaper and try to ignore her.Any distraction and the food is forgotten.

Your routine sounds much like mine except I let the cats help me. I take her in a room and let the cats follow. It smells good to them. I'll let the cats have some of the food while Gracie sits far away. She sees them eating and gets a little agitated. Then I give her some by hand and she will have a little as long as the cat is trying to get the food, too. It's just nuts. I think she prefers no dishes at all.

gracielove 05-23-2011 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3544618)
Have you tried mixing it real chicken or some kind of other meat? I've never seen a dog turn down REAL chicken breast or REAL meat of any kind. I use canned food to mix with Jackson's kibble. He gets canned food mixed in real good with his kibble for breakfast and dinner but sometimes I have just regular chicken breast that I shred into his food, then I put a dab of water, stir it around so it gets on all the kibble, and he happily eats.

Also, alot of picky dogs LOVE raw food. Stella & Chewy's, Primal, and Nature's Variety come to mind. Worth looking into. :)

So far the canned foods I have tried she does not like. I have made her doggy chicken dinners and she will refuse them after the first dish. I guess she does not like leftovers. After I make a batch of food for her she will eat it but when I try to give her some the next day she refuses it. God help me. I have been considering Stella and Chewy. Sounds like what she needs. I know they make it for small dogs but I can't find a place that sells that particular one.

dogdoc1969 05-24-2011 01:56 PM

Protein content is generally regarded as too high when it is above about 32% and primarily generated from red meat. When meat is dried it generates ash and when there is above 32% red meat protein then the ash content begins to interfere with the absorption of minerals. If fish protein or dried eggs protein is used then a higher level of protein is OK because the ash content of these protein sources is less. This also applies to vegetable proteins.

To go back to the problem of finicky eaters there are a few things to consider. Grain and white potato cause acid indigestion because they have the effect of sugar on the dogs system. When dogs digest food their stomach acid can be as low as PH 1 because they were designed to digest raw meat and bone. We on the other hand have stomach acid of between 6 and 8 so a dog’s stomach acid is 10,000 times more acidic than ours. If we were to eat white sugar as 50% to 70% of our calories we would develop awful acid digestion in quick order. Imagine how bad it must be for our little carnivores with 10,000 times more acid in play. So the smart ones associate dry kibble with acid indigestion and train us to feed them something else – and rightly so.

The flip side of the grain/white potato problem is that dogs can become “addicted” to the sugar high even though it’s very damaging to their system. More dogs have diabetes per capita than people at this point, and the wolf population (which eats no grain or white potato) has NO diabetes. Since the Mitochondrial DNA (which determines nutritional needs, digestion and cellular energy transfer) of your Yorkie is 99.8% identical to a wild wolf then it makes sense to feed your dog a diet without grain or white potato. What makes our Yorkie’s small, cute and adorable little buggers is their Nuclear DNA which is what has been used to breed the different dog types over the years but their Mitochondrial DNA is still almost identical to the wolf.

A little known solution for finicky eaters can be found through a dogs capacity to perform a process known as Gluconeogenesis. This is a dog’s ability to transform fat into glucose. A dog will begin gluconeogenesis after not eating for about 20 hours and at that point they will feel fine physically because they will have all the glucose they need for energy. It was nature’s way of giving them energy so they could hunt even if they hadn’t eaten for a week or more. A recent example occurred after the Japanese Tsunami when they found a dog on a rooftop in a debris field ten miles out at sea after 21 days. He had water from rain but no food and thanks to gluconeogenesis he was fine.

So since my three boys were hooked on grain/white potato (sugar), because their dad hadn’t yet learned enough about nutrition, they were completely finicky about food and the worse it got the more I tried different things. After researching, studying, and researching some more I knew what I wanted in a kibble and actually found a grain/ white potato free food that also had digestive enzymes and probiotics out of sheer luck thanks to a friend. Brothers Complete. So I held my breath and implemented my new gluconeogenesis plan. I put a bowl of Brothers kibble down at night and if they didn’t eat it I picked it up. Each day I would put it down and pick it up. On the second day the youngest one ate and by the third day the other two joined him. It kind of reset their appetites and now they all come running at meal time. But I am also vigilant about not feeding them treats with grain or white potato in them as well. So in the end it really all comes down to who is going to train who. Will your dog train you – or will you train your dog?

dogdoc1969 05-26-2011 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3544295)
You can order hk samples on their website.

ArmaniMan
I left a rather long post about the issues around high protein and how to reset your dogs eating habits the other day. Cathy97528 made a post that is similar to my point about how to reset your dogs appetite by simply waiting them out, only she did it much more succinctly. Yorkies are notoriously smart and manipulative and will train their owners at every chance they get. Be strong and remember YOU are the alpha dog.

Brooklynmommie 05-29-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mackenzie2270 (Post 3544326)
i buy evengers for my girls and they love it. I get the chicken and sweet potato. You can go online to their website and see how it is made. It is a great dog food and their coats are really shiny. I know that the pet food stores in vegas have the samples you might try to contact the to see if you can get some of the samples. It is a human grade food. The site web site is evengers.com

linda, sassy and patti




i emailed them for samples... They sent me coupons , like 5, for one free can food or 2 dollars off a bag of food

gracielove 05-29-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dogdoc1969 (Post 3547064)
ArmaniMan
I left a rather long post about the issues around high protein and how to reset your dogs eating habits the other day. Cathy97528 made a post that is similar to my point about how to reset your dogs appetite by simply waiting them out, only she did it much more succinctly. Yorkies are notoriously smart and manipulative and will train their owners at every chance they get. Be strong and remember YOU are the alpha dog.

I just received samples of the Brothers Original grain free food. Of course she refused it. I am going to try your suggestion. Up to this point I have been very afraid to let her go without eating for a full day. She is first class at begging. With several family members around I'm quite sure she gets crumbs here and there. I will police the place and make sure no one is giving in to her. She has managed to learn to jump up on the kitchen table. I have found her up there scrounging for food when she thinks everyone is gone.
Do you think sweet potatoes are OK for dogs? I have found she accepts food that I make with sweet potatoes better than what I make her with brown rice. I of course would prefer that she eat her kibble rather than having to cook for her.


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